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    Harris_07Harris_07 Posts: 27,985
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    COTTONHEAT wrote: »
    Then Finally faces the Miz which is bound to involve Maryse
    It could work, with one of them turning face. Probably DiBiase because people don't take his heel character as seriously as they do Mizzy's.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 3,357
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    I can see Dibiase turning face in the future it'll be interesting to see how Vince shakes it up towards Wrestlemania.
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    COTTONHEATCOTTONHEAT Posts: 12,103
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    Harris_07 wrote: »
    It could work, with one of them turning face. Probably DiBiase because people don't take his heel character as seriously as they do Mizzy's.

    it would be very intresting to hear the Crowd's Reaction if Maryse Dumped Ted for the Miz in the Middle of the Ring
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    decemberboydecemberboy Posts: 3,840
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    Kaval has been released:

    http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/kavalreleased

    I'm not surprised but think it's a shame, he's a brilliant wrestler, but that's not what WWE wants anymore.
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    Harris_07Harris_07 Posts: 27,985
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    bob2005 wrote: »
    I can see Dibiase turning face in the future it'll be interesting to see how Vince shakes it up towards Wrestlemania.
    I think that Vince'll want to make new stars but he'll try and play it safe by having new stars going up against established names. Like HHH/Sheamus this year. Next year, it could be HHH/Barrett.
    COTTONHEAT wrote: »
    it would be very intresting to hear the Crowd's Reaction if Maryse Dumped Ted for the Miz in the Middle of the Ring
    I think that if enough thought and time is put into the feud, then they could end up getting a big reaction. Also, I'd like to see a heel win in the last match at WM, we've had a face win the main event for more than the past five WMs now.
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    Harris_07Harris_07 Posts: 27,985
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    Kaval has been released:

    http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/kavalreleased

    I'm not surprised but think it's a shame, he's a brilliant wrestler, but that's not what WWE wants anymore.

    Aww, that's a shame. I was hoping to see him April.
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    Black DaggerBlack Dagger Posts: 15,949
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    Kaval has been released:

    http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/kavalreleased

    I'm not surprised but think it's a shame, he's a brilliant wrestler, but that's not what WWE wants anymore.

    They ****ed up with him royally... What a waste of an extremely talented wrestler...

    Hope they don't mess Black up in the same way.
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    QWERTYOPQWERTYOP Posts: 6,878
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    Kaval has been released:

    http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/kavalreleased

    I'm not surprised but think it's a shame, he's a brilliant wrestler, but that's not what WWE wants anymore.

    Stupid move. Surely a future X division champ.
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    hypervisorhypervisor Posts: 959
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    survivor series buy rate was up from 2009. Good news for the WWE.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 4,953
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    Kaval has been released:

    http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/kavalreleased

    I'm not surprised but think it's a shame, he's a brilliant wrestler, but that's not what WWE wants anymore.

    That's such a shame, he was used very poorly but still had heaps of potential :(.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 2,065
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    So what was the point of Season 2 of NXT if the WINNER has been released! :mad: - IN FACT WHAT THE HELL IS THE POINT IN NXT AT ALL :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

    Hopefully they do what they did with Daniel Bryan and bring him back in a shock return. Rumble perhaps. Unlikely though.
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    QWERTYOPQWERTYOP Posts: 6,878
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    matty125 wrote: »
    So what was the point of Season 2 of NXT if the WINNER has been released! :mad: - IN FACT WHAT THE HELL IS THE POINT IN NXT AT ALL :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

    Hopefully they do what they did with Daniel Bryan and bring him back in a shock return. Rumble perhaps. Unlikely though.

    I don't think Kaval will have the same kind of public backing for him to be resigned TBH.
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    JCRJCR Posts: 24,072
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    hypervisor wrote: »
    survivor series buy rate was up from 2009. Good news for the WWE.

    Worldwide it was 239 thousand buys, but in the USA only it did 125 thousand, which is down on last year.

    (Source Wrestling Observer radio)
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    Sinister2010Sinister2010 Posts: 6,923
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    Kaval has been released:

    http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/kavalreleased

    I'm not surprised but think it's a shame, he's a brilliant wrestler, but that's not what WWE wants anymore.

    Such a shame that Kaval has been released especially 2 days before Christmas ouch! WWE have completely f****d him over which is also a shame because he is such a talented guy and they just turned him into a complete jobber after he won NXT2:(
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    Nik01Nik01 Posts: 9,947
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    I wonder if Kaval has been a naughty boy?
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    Sinister2010Sinister2010 Posts: 6,923
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    Nik01 wrote: »
    I wonder if Kaval has been a naughty boy?

    Maybe its the start of the curse of NXT:eek:
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    cheesy_pastycheesy_pasty Posts: 4,302
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    Kaval has been released:

    http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/kavalreleased

    I'm not surprised but think it's a shame, he's a brilliant wrestler, but that's not what WWE wants anymore.

    He should just show up every week and give out low-ki (geddit!?) beatings.

    Well it worked for Cena didn't it?

    + All I want for Xmas in the link :p
    Safe pic

    Also thought this was always funny...and Kaval (:() related...
    Poor Kaval
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    JCRJCR Posts: 24,072
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    re pay per view buyrates, these are the 2010 numbers for North America:

    1,400,000 - Floyd Mayweather vs. Shane Mosley

    1,150,000 - Manny Pacquiao vs. Antonio Margarito

    1,100,000 - UFC 116 Brock Lesnar vs. Shane Carwin

    1,050,000 - UFC 114 Quinton Jackson vs. Rashad Evans

    1,000,000 - UFC 121 Brock Lesnar vs. Cain Velasquez

    770,000 - UFC 111 Georges St. Pierre vs. Dan Hardy

    700,000 - Manny Pacquiao vs. Joshua Clottey

    620,000 - UFC 107 B.J. Penn vs. Diego Sanchez (took place Dec. 09)

    600,000 - UFC 117 Anderson Silva vs. Chael Sonnen

    535,000 - UFC 118 B.J. Penn vs. Frankie Edgar/Randy Couture vs. James Toney

    525,000 - UFC 115 Chuck Liddell vs. Rich Franklin

    520,000 - UFC 113 Shogun Rua vs. Lyoto Machida

    500,000 - UFC 112 Anderson Silva vs. Demian Maia/B.J. Penn vs. Frankie Edgar

    500,000 - UFC 123 Quinton Jackson vs. Lyoto Machida/B.J. Penn vs. Matt Hughes

    498,000 - WWE WrestleMania Undertaker vs. Shawn Michaels streak vs. career

    300,000 - UFC 108 Rashad Evans vs. Thiago Silva

    295,000 - UFC 119 Frank Mir vs. Mirko Cro Cop

    275,000 - UFC 109 Randy Couture vs. Mark Coleman

    259,000 - WWE Royal Rumble

    215,000 - UFC 110 Cain Velasquez vs. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira

    203,000 - WWE SummerSlam Team Raw vs. Nexus

    175,000 - WEC 48 Jose Aldo Jr. vs. Urijah Faber

    160,000 - WWE Elimination Chamber John Cena vs. Ted DiBiase vs. HHH vs. Randy Orton vs. Kofi Kingston vs. Sheamus

    150,000 - Shane Mosley vs. Sergio Mora

    135,000 - Bernard Hopkins vs. Roy Jones Jr.

    125,000 - WWE Survivor Series Randy Orton vs. Wade Barrett/Cena ref

    120,000 - WWE Over the Limit John Cena vs. Batista I Quit

    116,000 - WWE Tables, Ladders & Chairs John Cena vs. Sheamus/DX vs. Chris Jericho & Big Show/Undertaker vs. Batista (Dec. 09)

    112,000 - WWE Extreme Rules John Cena vs. Batista Last Man Standing

    111,000 - WWE Hell in a Cell John Cena vs. Wade Barrett

    96,000 - WWE Money in the Bank John Cena vs. Sheamus cage match

    96,000 - WWE Night of Champions John Cena vs. Randy Orton vs. Chris Jericho vs. Edge vs. Wade Barrett vs. Sheamus

    87,000 - WWE Fatal Four Way John Cena vs. Sheamus vs. Edge vs. Randy Orton

    73,000 - WWE Bragging Rights Randy Orton vs. Wade Barrett/Undertaker vs. Kane Buried Alive

    (From Wrestling Observer)
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    QWERTYOPQWERTYOP Posts: 6,878
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    JCR wrote: »
    re pay per view buyrates, these are the 2010 numbers for North America:

    1,400,000 - Floyd Mayweather vs. Shane Mosley

    1,150,000 - Manny Pacquiao vs. Antonio Margarito

    1,100,000 - UFC 116 Brock Lesnar vs. Shane Carwin

    1,050,000 - UFC 114 Quinton Jackson vs. Rashad Evans

    1,000,000 - UFC 121 Brock Lesnar vs. Cain Velasquez

    770,000 - UFC 111 Georges St. Pierre vs. Dan Hardy

    700,000 - Manny Pacquiao vs. Joshua Clottey

    620,000 - UFC 107 B.J. Penn vs. Diego Sanchez (took place Dec. 09)

    600,000 - UFC 117 Anderson Silva vs. Chael Sonnen

    535,000 - UFC 118 B.J. Penn vs. Frankie Edgar/Randy Couture vs. James Toney

    525,000 - UFC 115 Chuck Liddell vs. Rich Franklin

    520,000 - UFC 113 Shogun Rua vs. Lyoto Machida

    500,000 - UFC 112 Anderson Silva vs. Demian Maia/B.J. Penn vs. Frankie Edgar

    500,000 - UFC 123 Quinton Jackson vs. Lyoto Machida/B.J. Penn vs. Matt Hughes

    498,000 - WWE WrestleMania Undertaker vs. Shawn Michaels streak vs. career

    300,000 - UFC 108 Rashad Evans vs. Thiago Silva

    295,000 - UFC 119 Frank Mir vs. Mirko Cro Cop

    275,000 - UFC 109 Randy Couture vs. Mark Coleman

    259,000 - WWE Royal Rumble

    215,000 - UFC 110 Cain Velasquez vs. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira

    203,000 - WWE SummerSlam Team Raw vs. Nexus

    175,000 - WEC 48 Jose Aldo Jr. vs. Urijah Faber

    160,000 - WWE Elimination Chamber John Cena vs. Ted DiBiase vs. HHH vs. Randy Orton vs. Kofi Kingston vs. Sheamus

    150,000 - Shane Mosley vs. Sergio Mora

    135,000 - Bernard Hopkins vs. Roy Jones Jr.

    125,000 - WWE Survivor Series Randy Orton vs. Wade Barrett/Cena ref

    120,000 - WWE Over the Limit John Cena vs. Batista I Quit

    116,000 - WWE Tables, Ladders & Chairs John Cena vs. Sheamus/DX vs. Chris Jericho & Big Show/Undertaker vs. Batista (Dec. 09)

    112,000 - WWE Extreme Rules John Cena vs. Batista Last Man Standing

    111,000 - WWE Hell in a Cell John Cena vs. Wade Barrett

    96,000 - WWE Money in the Bank John Cena vs. Sheamus cage match

    96,000 - WWE Night of Champions John Cena vs. Randy Orton vs. Chris Jericho vs. Edge vs. Wade Barrett vs. Sheamus

    87,000 - WWE Fatal Four Way John Cena vs. Sheamus vs. Edge vs. Randy Orton

    73,000 - WWE Bragging Rights Randy Orton vs. Wade Barrett/Undertaker vs. Kane Buried Alive

    (From Wrestling Observer)

    Ouch. UFC FTW.
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    JCRJCR Posts: 24,072
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    QWERTYOP wrote: »
    Ouch. UFC FTW.

    Yep, and Brock Lesnar becomes the second man ever to headline two 1 million buys plus PPV's in one year, the other being Mike Tyson in 1996. Hence the reason Vince was keen to get him to do next years Wrestlemania.
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    Sinister2010Sinister2010 Posts: 6,923
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    He should just show up every week and give out low-ki (geddit!?) beatings.

    Well it worked for Cena didn't it?

    + All I want for Xmas in the link :pSafe pic

    Also thought this was always funny...and Kaval (:() related...
    Poor Kaval

    Now that is a good choice wouldnt mind seeing her under the tree:D
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    wildmovieguywildmovieguy Posts: 8,342
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    WWE should just do their own thing. They weren't even in the top 10 PPV buys. Their probably doing the right thing by not acknowleding UFC exists because they can't compete and will never be able to compete. Even 73,000 for them is a good number. Nothing like they used to get but as long as they make a profit they should be happy.
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    Nik01Nik01 Posts: 9,947
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    Why do people like to compare UFC and WWE so much?, two very different compaines and markets in my opinion
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    The following is a new tweet from the official Twitter page of WWE Superstar John Cena:

    "CeNation. Behind as always. I guess wwe has released kaval. I have no clue why but this close to holiday would probally mean.......that it is pretty serious business."

    TNA JB takes dig at WWE:

    The following is a new tweet from the official Twitter page of TNA's Jeremy Borash:

    "Very grateful to be working for a company that gives out bonus checks at Christmas instead of walking papers"
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 240
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    matty125 wrote: »
    Gunna watch NXT tonight. But think I will give Superstars a miss this week with it being in the middle of Xmas and New Year.

    I hope you caught it - I watched it earlier and thought it was a very good show this week. Certainly was the best of the three main WWE shows this week, as unlike Raw and SmackDown, it actually had meaningful ongoing matches and storylines.

    My thoughts on this week's NXT...

    Derrick Bateman was the clear star of the show - in storyline terms he won both challenges to earn more immunity points, not that he really needs them as he's clearly the most over rookie by far. His video montage really put him over as a star in the making and his backstage promo with Daniel Bryan made me laugh out loud.

    I could see Bateman winning NXT Season 4 and I think he has the potential to be a firm favourite in the WWE long-term - maybe not as WWE Championship material, but I could certainly see him getting over in the mid-card due to possessing the humour value of Santino Marella and the likeability of Scotty 2 Hotty. A really good week for him.

    Byron Saxton picked up a fluke win in a six person tag match that involved Natalya, after pinning out Brodus Clay (who I felt looked quite good in the ring, the loss coming after he missed a splash from the top rope which showed he's quite agile) who beat him a few weeks ago. Not as much of a stellar week for Saxton as the past two have been but he has plenty of personality and can work in the ring. I disagree with Josh Mathews' suggestion that he could be on the chopping block when it comes to the first elimination, he's got over far more than most of the other NXT rookies so should be fine.

    Jacob Novak also avenged a defeat from a few weeks ago, by pinning out Johnny Curtis after interference from Dolph Ziggler. For me, Novak hasn't really made his mark yet - he's done OK on the mic (I liked his slow, deliberate style in the Trivia Challenge) and has done OK in the ring but has not stood out - and with the other five rookies having plenty of developmental experience in comparison, I'm starting to think he's a bit green and has been moved up to TV too soon. I feel he could be at risk in a few weeks time.

    As for Curtis, he was out early on in both challenges and looked alright in the ring, so as a consequence didn't annoy as much as his disastrous showing last week. But he still attracted his fair share of boos (despite being booked as a face) and continues to give off bad vibes. Nothing has made me change my mind, I firmly believe he should be the first to go on January 4th.

    Brodus Clay lost his match but what was interesting to me is that he used heel tactics in his losing effort - despite Josh and Todd playing him up as a stand-up guy on commentary. I'm interested to see where the writers go with him, I reckon they are still toying with which way to go with him.

    Conor O'Brien's video package was the last one to air. It played up on how he looks like a rat, which meant his childhood was hard and was generally quite sympathetic towards him. I quite like his character and find him amusing but honestly, he's not that bad looking is he? I liked his segment in the back with Alberto Del Rio when he wanted some cheese. :D I can't see O'Brien winning but I hope he survives a few eliminations as his gimmick has a bit more mileage left in it. Whether he has a long-term WWE future I'm not sure, but he's certainly got more to offer now than a few of the other rookies.

    The interesting thing about this series of NXT is that other than Bateman who is an obvious face and Novak who is a clear heel, all four of the other rookies are showing both face and heel tendencies and could be booked either way depending on how the crowd reacts to them. I think nominally Saxton and O'Brien were meant to be heels while Curtis was originally booked as a face, yet any of that trio and Clay could fall into either camp right now.

    The first elimination was confirmed for January 4th (two weeks time) and I think Johnny Curtis, Jacob Novak and Conor O'Brien are most at risk.

    Finally, I sensed some real tension between Todd Grisham and Josh 'one t' Mathews on the commentary. At points Todd was uncharacteristically hostile towards Josh, not in the jokey, friendly way he was/is to Matt Striker but seemingly much more harsh. Josh reacted in kind but in the sort of (increasingly rude) way he speaks to Michael Cole and Striker. I wonder if Todd is smarting at Josh for effectively stealing his job on SmackDown. It could be interesting how "real" their banter gets as the series wears on, especially as it's rumoured that Todd will be out of a job come the end of NXT.
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