I could perhaps understand everything about this, up until the point he faced a shut door and decided to shoot anyway, it makes no sense at all for me, there is no excuse, in my opinion he intended to kill whoever was behind that door.
Are you allowed to shoot intruders behind closed doors in South Africa ???
Not if there are any other alternatives. Like phoning the police or security or whatever options he had. He was not being threatened.
No idea. Nor do I care how many posts I've made. Nor do I count the thanks, oh sorry, that's another forum where all keep count. Pathetic but there you are.
Oscar says that he fired shots in stumps and was on legs when he used the bat
Prosecution say that he fired shots on stumps and was on stumps when he used the bat
The Forensic Analyst the BatMan was adamant Oscar was on his stumps when he used the Bat on the door, but it sounds like it was combination of his legs and the bat - Oscar said he kicked the door in and couldn't break in, so he used the bat instead and got in. But the marks to the door from the bat were lower down than Oscar would have been had he had legs on when used the bat - so no idea how either will get round that.
Roux has ensured that Oscar accounts for screams, gunshots and noise from the bat on the door
Nel has accounted for screams, gunshots but not the other set of bang sounds, so I think he will do that in summation.
But what we do know is that neither are disputing so far that there were shots and the head shot was not the first shot - leaving a window for Reeva to scream, which Oscar has said it was him , but we know that Reeva would have screamed which would near on impossible for the Defence to dispute and that's Oscar's biggest problem.
Unfortunately this expert was not an expert at breaking a door with a bat. There are several ways to wield a bat. Who knows how Oscar can do it unless he gives us a demonstration.
Batmans non-natural bent back may just be how Oscar uses a bat on his legs. Anyone with any knowledge of the best way to use your body weight to help the force of the swing would know you have to lean or step into it anyway. This would make a mark lower than a swing from a more comfortable upright position.
So like the height the shots were fired from its not conclusive.
Guilty but insane, possibly. Mental hospitals are probably better than S African prisons.
Think he's going to have a nervous breakdown and be rattling from pills for a while yet, but he's not insane.
If he's found to have acted without due diligence./negligence , that's a Culpable Murder charge.
But if Nel proves he's lied in his Affidavit , he could get Premeditated Murder charge, as all the rest of the trial is circumstantial and all it needs at the moment for Prosecution is getting Oscar to trip over his own lies - and I don't think that's going to be that difficult.
He's already said some things today that do not concur with what he said in his Plea Explanation - I will list them when I find out all of them, -- Alex Crawford pointed them all out.
no it's not, the witnesses hearing screams is circumstantial, now we have Oscar's own words, things have now changed :
There was a number discrepancies today from Oscar - compared to what he said in his Bail Application - It was highlighted by Alex Crawford on Sky News, I can't list them as can't remember all of them - and they are damning. I'm sure a list will appear soon from DS sleuths.
I watched that. I think the discrepancies were...
In bail hearing he said he shouted at Reeva to call the police, but today he said he whispered to her to "get down, call police"
In Bh he said they both fell asleep, but today he said he fell asleep first leaving Reeva to close the balcony doors etc
In Bh he said he had mobility on his stumps but today seemed "unsteady and wobbly" on them.
In Bh he said Reeva was breathing when he got into the toilet, today he said she wasnt breathing.
Think there are other points but thats all I can recall right now.
Unfortunately this expert was not an expert at breaking a door with a bat. There are several ways to wield a bat. Who knows how Oscar can do it unless he gives us a demonstration.
Batmans non-natural bent back may just be how Oscar uses a bat on his legs. Anyone with any knowledge of the best way to use your body weight to help the force of the swing would know you have to lean or step into it anyway. This would make a mark lower than a swing from a more comfortable upright position.
So like the height the shots were fired from its not conclusive.
he could have been on legs and swung the bat upwards from lower down like a croquet stick ? who knows, I don't think it's going to make that much difference, as now Oscar's on Stand he may seal his own fate.
Just read that OP said in court today he opened Reevas valentine present on Friday 18th as it was her birthday. Her birthday is the 19th feb and that's the day he was charged with her murder.
I thought he said he opened on 18 August... then he said her birthday.. I may be mistaken as he was sobbing and stuttering....but yes,.. either way he got that wrong!!
In bail hearing he said he shouted at Reeva to call the police, but today he said he whispered to her to "get down, call police"
In Bh he said they both fell asleep, but today je said he fell asleep first leaving Reeva to close the balcony doors etc
In Bh he said he had mobility on his stumps but today seemed "unsteady and wobbly" on them.
In Bh he said Reeva was breathing when he got into the toilet, today he said she wasnt breathing.
Think there ate other points but thats all I cant recall right now.
thanks- I think if he was telling the truth there wouldn't have been discrepancies , he's had a year to run through events of that night since the Incident happened and he'd have gone over it with Roux and in his mind thousands of times, so it's not looking good for Oscar, --- under pressure the truth will surface, and cracks in his story are showing because he's not telling the truth.
Also there also something about Reeva being slumped over the toilet seat ? but today he didn't say anything about that ? And a point about him putting on his prosthetic legs ?
Perhaps what we regard as pyjamas are different to what SA does, maybe his Nike shorts are his pyjamas, lets be fair he would hardly go to bed to sleep with two foot of cloth hanging off his stumps.
Exactly, its very common for men to wear shorts to bed
Harrowing stuff. Disturbing to hear a grown man so emotionally wrecked:(
Whether he is lying or not, he is clearly traumatised and broken. Anyone who can sneer at that has no heart.
Im NOT an OP supporter, Im NOT a silly fan blinded by his fame blah blah blah, which is often bandied about on here. Im a 38 year old man whose not in any way "soft". So if anyone wants to take umbrage with me because I found that disturbing and sad, bring it on.
People like me who dont automatically shout " GUILTY" are often blasted on here as being blinded...but in my eyes its those of you baying for OPs blood who are coming across as the blind ones, heartless and blinkered.
He might be guilty, he might not, but he is a human being.
I feel sadness for Reevas family, that was a terrible ordeal for them and they have acted with dignity. I feel sadness for OPs family having to watch their family member suffer. And I feel bad for ANYONE being in the distress OP was in then.
A harrowing, disturbing, upsetting and traumatic court session for ALL involved. Flame me all you like, none of you have any impact on my thoughts and Im not ashamed to feel bad for him today. Those of you who dont have more need to feel shame than I do.
I've found his account to be reasonably credible so far. It doesn't surprise me that Reeva didn't call out: if she heard Pistorius yelling that there were intruders, she would have had no idea the person he thought was the intruder was actually her, and may have thought the safest thing was to lock herself in the bathroom and stay quiet. She didn't know where the "intruders" were or if she might be in danger from them herself. I did think some of the things Pistorius said were quite deliberately and carefully said to account for other evidence, like his ears ringing after the shots. However that doesn't mean those things weren't true. We'll see how his account stands up to cross-examination.
Whether he knew it was Reeva or not, I see his distress as genuine and not play-acting, and it was harrowing to watch. I'm in full agreement with baccy's post in that respect.
The thing is let's for a moment imagine that Oscar sat today emotionless, cold, answered calmly and didn't cry once... there would be so many people in this thread raging saying this proves he did it, this proves he has no remorse, this proves he has no respect for her loss. He can't win. Maybe he just needed to cry a little bit but not too much? I'm sure someone would spin that too into evidence of guilt. And the thing is.. none of us could SEE him today yet plenty are judging him saying it was all a sham and faked. Amazing.
I think his remorse is absolutely genuine...I'm not sure how much is for reeva though. I think we have just witnessed a near perfect monologue to plug all the gaps that have been exposed to date. Roux allowde him to give this fluent account of the events.....all of which portray him as a totally devoted boyrfriend. The only thing that threatened the flow of this account ,of a loving evening, was the introduction of the surfing porn at 6 ish. To ensure that didn't happen it was just referred to as 'the exhibit' which has been conveniently mislaid...so they'll come back to it....
Similarly they atempted to rebutt the negative messages....all could be reconstrued with a positive spin...except one. No mention of the meesage about her denying she was a 'ho' or a 'stripper'
His account is devoid of many things that could actually be verified e.g. tv prog they were watching; valentines day gift...everything else we have just his word for and there's no physical evidence required.
BIB: he did address the ho and stripper text. He said she was suggesting to him that he had overreacted to something she had told him she had done the night before
yes true, but she has to be fair to the prosecution as well..... Oscar strided out of court (I watched it) two minutes at th emost after howling like an animal on the courtroom floor according to Alex sky news..... it was a remarkable recovery, not a tear in sight... just a little pale
I am not shouting benj, just wanted to point that
If he had still been sobbing when he left the court then many of you on here would have wanted him hung drawn and quartered for play acting.
And thats your right...to feel how you want to feel without having to justify it. Thankyou for allowing me to say and feel what I like. So kind.;-)
Shame many others dont agree with it though. Seems to me that if you dont toe-the-party-line on here, your view must be wrong. Fortunately Im thick-skinned:D and if someone doesnt like my views I dont give a toss. I wont change my opinions until its been proven to me that they warrant changing.
Likewise.
Today's evidence answered some questions for me but left others unanswered; not surprising really. Hopefully things will become clearer during Nel's cross examination.
And for those commenting that Roux "prompted" OP by asking whether he was screaming at the time, that is what he is being paid for, why on earth do you find this somehow sinister or suspicious?
1 - He and Roux used the carefully rehearsed text saga to malign Samantha Taylor as a bunny-boiling, scorned woman who probably trolled Reeva on social media. (Is there any actual evidence that Taylor did this).
2 - For some reason both Taylor and Darren Fresco conspired to accuse Oscar of shooting out of the car sunroof.
3 - Darren Fresco is responsible for everything bad Oscar ever does, apparently.
4 - Reeva gushed about Valentine's day on Twitter but in reality she and Oscar weren't that fussed about it. Oscar didn't actually buy Reeva anything but we have to take his word that he was planning to let her choose charms for her bracelet. Or a bunch of flowers from Londis.
5 - Even though this was the most life-changing day in his existence he can't remember details, such as what they watched on television. People tend to remember everything from days when big things happen.
6 - He conveniently feel asleep first, leaving Reeva free to unlock the bedroom door and roam around having midnight snacks, without (paranoid about noises in the night) Oscar hearing anything.
7 - For some reason he put the fans on the balcony but pulled the blinds and drew the curtains around them. Who does that? For the purposes of his story he needs the blinds to be on the balcony but also needs the room to be dark.
8 - It was the pesky, inconsiderate Reeva who left the balcony doors open, conveniently explaining away the inconsistency of how someone as paranoid as Oscar fell asleep for hours with this breach of security.
9 - Reeva was awake when Oscar woke. He doesn't think she had actually been asleep (maybe this will explain away any lights/activities the neighbours saw that night).
10 - The fans where not out on the balcony but were placed on the threshold of the doorway onto the balcony. This means that Oscar didn't even leave the room when he brought them in. Despite this he doesn't notice Reeva getting up and going to the bathroom.
11 - It was so dark Oscar couldn't see Reeva but he could see her jeans. Were they day-glo?
12 - Oscar pats around the bed, right by where he assumes Reeva is lying but, even though he spoke to her only seconds before, he doesn't bother saying anything to her. He doesn't find it odd that Reeva doesn't ask him what he's doing/ what is going on?
13 - Oscar whispers to Reeva (this is a new one) and then moves slowly down the passageway shouting his head off about burglars. This conveniently explains away some of the shouting the neighbours heard. If Oscar was so worried about the burglar(s) then why was he giving away his one advantage by being so noisy? Why didn't he want the element of surprise? He doesn't think it strange that Reeva doesn't react to any of this and that she doesn't reply to any of his instructions.
14 - Meanwhile, inside the bathroom, Reeva hears Oscar moving slowly down the passageway, shouting his head off until he gets to the entrance of the room she is in, but she remains completely silent and doesn't investigate what is going on.
15 - Reeva, who has been silent as a ninja up until now, makes a noise right at the crucial point, which makes Oscar (on pretty scant evidence) think an intruder is in the bathroom.
16 - When Oscar realised it was Reeva, he went around the house screaming and shouting at the top of his lungs, conveniently explaining away some of the screaming the neighbours heard between bangs. This doesn't make sense. You scream in fear, when you are in pain, or to warn someone of danger. When you have done something that puts you in an extreme panic you might whimper or babble or hyperventilate or mumble constantly under your breath, but you do not run around shouting at no-one.
17 - Does being under 5ft 2in constitute the kind of vulnerability that makes firing shots through a locked door a reasonable action? I know adult women who are about 4ft 10in. I must tell them they are allowed to fire at will. How did Oscar manage on the slippy bathroom floor earlier on his stumps? Did he brush his teeth in the bidet?
Just read that OP said in court today he opened Reevas valentine present on Friday 18th as it was her birthday. Her birthday is the 19th feb and that's the day he was charged with her murder.
Didn't know she was in the toilet, forgot his love's birthday.
thanks, I think there also something about Reeva being slumped over the toilet seat ? but today he didn't say anything about that ? And a point about him putting on his prosthetic legs ?
yes, I heard alex on sky.. another point was that he said
we both fell asleep.. but today he said HE fell asleep while she was doing yoga something like that..
she also mentioned that they watched tv but he could not recall a programme
and he said they went to bed r sleep at 10pm but today said they went up straight after dinner....
He stood there too and infront of a Court of Law under oath lied through his teeth, sickening all the references to his god etc and prayer and church, - he's such a hypocrite , his faith stops at shooting people and lieing in court of law though doesn't it. And giving Reeva's mother complete lies about her daughter's final night alive.
Catching up on this thread but...... OMG, were you there??? You seem to know for certain that OP was LYING, I presume he told you personally how far his faith went and what happened the night Reeva died.......?
I thought he said he opened on 18 August... then he said her birthday.. I may be mistaken as he was sobbing and stuttering....but yes,.. either way he got that wrong!!
Her birthday was August 19, not 18, but Benjamin you got it wrong saying it was February,.....its August, google it
Allowing a defendant to derail the trial because of theatrics is not effective judging. The prosecution can already make a compelling argument that not only is court time being wasted but leniency is being shown to someone in whose interest it is to garner as much sympathy for himself as possible. Pundits and legal experts are already decrying this nonsense and saying that she needs to take a firm grip and instruct Roux to get his client under control.
Surely too, Roux prompting the screaming is leading the witness?
Shouldn't the judge clamp down? I hope that Judge comes through because at present she has not stamped her authority on the proceedings, Roux is walking all over her Court.
No idea. Nor do I care how many posts I've made. Nor do I count the thanks, oh sorry, that's another forum where all keep count. Pathetic but there you are.
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Mutter you make me laugh so much! Every post of yours ive read, ive laughed unbelievably
No idea. Nor do I care how many posts I've made. Nor do I count the thanks, oh sorry, that's another forum where all keep count. Pathetic but there you are.
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you jumped in there having not read what I was replying to... so your answer is totally unrelated to what was actually being said,, forget it...
In bail hearing he said he shouted at Reeva to call the police, but today he said he whispered to her to "get down, call police"
In Bh he said they both fell asleep, but today he said he fell asleep first leaving Reeva to close the balcony doors etc
In Bh he said he had mobility on his stumps but today seemed "unsteady and wobbly" on them.
In Bh he said Reeva was breathing when he got into the toilet, today he said she wasnt breathing.
Think there are other points but thats all I can recall right now.
She said the most revealing was that Reeva was awake when he went to get the fans in, and it would have been reasonable to assume she went to the toilet.
Surely too, Roux prompting the screaming is leading the witness?
Shouldn't the judge clamp down? I hope that Judge comes through because at present she has not stamped her authority on the proceedings, Roux is walking all over her Court.
The judge in this case is literally judge and jury so whatever happens she will pick out the important bits. She needs to be as lenient as possible so as to lessen the chance of appeals and retrials.
The judge will know that OP is just going through a script compiled by the defence and signed off by the accused.
The opinions of any viewer or commentator of this trial counts for zip. Its all down to the judge. Hope she doesn't get sick!
Yeah you're right kappy, I know I shouldn't bite but when people post blatant lies it's hard to ignore them.
It's not lies and you know it. I posted one of your comments yesterday and there were others in the same vein. When some of us were shocked by the absolutely vile comments written under a linked article .. you wrote that the people knew her .. and so were better informed than us (people who were writing '#sh*t shot in a toilet' .. for example ) I like the way you're willing to believe their claims without a second thought .. understandable as they did sound like rational people ... not!
Why isn't it enough for you that Reeva (or 'darling Reeva' as you have called her sarcastically) is dead? .. what is the point of assassinating her character? I can see why those loathsome women did it .. as soon as they started slating her looks it was all too obvious they were jealous but why are you so angry about her? If OP's career is ruined he has no-one to blame but himself.
5 - Even though this was the most life-changing day in his existence he can't remember details, such as what they watched on television. People tend to remember everything from days when big things happen.
And when he turned on the bathroom light. How convenient ;-)
Catching up on this thread but...... OMG, were you there??? You seem to know for certain that OP was LYING, I presume he told you personally how far his faith went and what happened the night Reeva died.......?
I listened, and did you watch her family ? their faces ? they knew he was lying - the only people crying while he recounted his version of events were his own family and Oscar, - even his Lawyer was checking to see if the Judge was taking it all in.
I suggest you look at the discrepancies between his version told today and his own written Plea Explanation and the changes too that HE made to his own sworn Affidavit - he was there, yet he's changed his story - to cover up what happened and help his Defence - he's contradicted himself, noone needs to have been there.
If he was a man of so much 'faith' , Intruder or not, he would not have fired 4 shots into that tiny cubicle, - he also said today that he 'heard a noise in the toilet' - yet he still fired, he also said today that he carefully approached the bathroom from the passage way, there was time for contemplation and assessment of that situation , yet he still fired 4 shots.
His last encounter of any intruder was in 2005, 8 years ago, - his last misuse of firearms charge was to do with an incident only in September 2012, only 5 months before he shot Reeva with his own firearm - so this guy is reckless and he fired his gun with intent to kill,, regardless of whether he was in disbelief that he'd done so, he's not claiming temporary insanity, his case is that he thought she was an Intruder.
The judge in this case is literally judge and jury so whatever happens she will pick out the important bits. She needs to be as lenient as possible so as to lessen the chance of appeals and retrials.
The judge will know that OP is just going through a script compiled by the defence and signed off by the accused.
The opinions of any viewer or commentator of this trial counts for zip. Its all down to the judge. Hope she doesn't get sick!
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Not if there are any other alternatives. Like phoning the police or security or whatever options he had. He was not being threatened.
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Unfortunately this expert was not an expert at breaking a door with a bat. There are several ways to wield a bat. Who knows how Oscar can do it unless he gives us a demonstration.
Batmans non-natural bent back may just be how Oscar uses a bat on his legs. Anyone with any knowledge of the best way to use your body weight to help the force of the swing would know you have to lean or step into it anyway. This would make a mark lower than a swing from a more comfortable upright position.
So like the height the shots were fired from its not conclusive.
If he's found to have acted without due diligence./negligence , that's a Culpable Murder charge.
But if Nel proves he's lied in his Affidavit , he could get Premeditated Murder charge, as all the rest of the trial is circumstantial and all it needs at the moment for Prosecution is getting Oscar to trip over his own lies - and I don't think that's going to be that difficult.
He's already said some things today that do not concur with what he said in his Plea Explanation - I will list them when I find out all of them, -- Alex Crawford pointed them all out.
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I watched that. I think the discrepancies were...
In bail hearing he said he shouted at Reeva to call the police, but today he said he whispered to her to "get down, call police"
In Bh he said they both fell asleep, but today he said he fell asleep first leaving Reeva to close the balcony doors etc
In Bh he said he had mobility on his stumps but today seemed "unsteady and wobbly" on them.
In Bh he said Reeva was breathing when he got into the toilet, today he said she wasnt breathing.
Think there are other points but thats all I can recall right now.
I thought he said he opened on 18 August... then he said her birthday.. I may be mistaken as he was sobbing and stuttering....but yes,.. either way he got that wrong!!
thanks- I think if he was telling the truth there wouldn't have been discrepancies , he's had a year to run through events of that night since the Incident happened and he'd have gone over it with Roux and in his mind thousands of times, so it's not looking good for Oscar, --- under pressure the truth will surface, and cracks in his story are showing because he's not telling the truth.
Also there also something about Reeva being slumped over the toilet seat ? but today he didn't say anything about that ? And a point about him putting on his prosthetic legs ?
Exactly, its very common for men to wear shorts to bed
Bloody well said baccy
Ditto
Absolutely
BIB: he did address the ho and stripper text. He said she was suggesting to him that he had overreacted to something she had told him she had done the night before
If he had still been sobbing when he left the court then many of you on here would have wanted him hung drawn and quartered for play acting.
Well put.
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Today's evidence answered some questions for me but left others unanswered; not surprising really. Hopefully things will become clearer during Nel's cross examination.
And for those commenting that Roux "prompted" OP by asking whether he was screaming at the time, that is what he is being paid for, why on earth do you find this somehow sinister or suspicious?
1 - He and Roux used the carefully rehearsed text saga to malign Samantha Taylor as a bunny-boiling, scorned woman who probably trolled Reeva on social media. (Is there any actual evidence that Taylor did this).
2 - For some reason both Taylor and Darren Fresco conspired to accuse Oscar of shooting out of the car sunroof.
3 - Darren Fresco is responsible for everything bad Oscar ever does, apparently.
4 - Reeva gushed about Valentine's day on Twitter but in reality she and Oscar weren't that fussed about it. Oscar didn't actually buy Reeva anything but we have to take his word that he was planning to let her choose charms for her bracelet. Or a bunch of flowers from Londis.
5 - Even though this was the most life-changing day in his existence he can't remember details, such as what they watched on television. People tend to remember everything from days when big things happen.
6 - He conveniently feel asleep first, leaving Reeva free to unlock the bedroom door and roam around having midnight snacks, without (paranoid about noises in the night) Oscar hearing anything.
7 - For some reason he put the fans on the balcony but pulled the blinds and drew the curtains around them. Who does that? For the purposes of his story he needs the blinds to be on the balcony but also needs the room to be dark.
8 - It was the pesky, inconsiderate Reeva who left the balcony doors open, conveniently explaining away the inconsistency of how someone as paranoid as Oscar fell asleep for hours with this breach of security.
9 - Reeva was awake when Oscar woke. He doesn't think she had actually been asleep (maybe this will explain away any lights/activities the neighbours saw that night).
10 - The fans where not out on the balcony but were placed on the threshold of the doorway onto the balcony. This means that Oscar didn't even leave the room when he brought them in. Despite this he doesn't notice Reeva getting up and going to the bathroom.
11 - It was so dark Oscar couldn't see Reeva but he could see her jeans. Were they day-glo?
12 - Oscar pats around the bed, right by where he assumes Reeva is lying but, even though he spoke to her only seconds before, he doesn't bother saying anything to her. He doesn't find it odd that Reeva doesn't ask him what he's doing/ what is going on?
13 - Oscar whispers to Reeva (this is a new one) and then moves slowly down the passageway shouting his head off about burglars. This conveniently explains away some of the shouting the neighbours heard. If Oscar was so worried about the burglar(s) then why was he giving away his one advantage by being so noisy? Why didn't he want the element of surprise? He doesn't think it strange that Reeva doesn't react to any of this and that she doesn't reply to any of his instructions.
14 - Meanwhile, inside the bathroom, Reeva hears Oscar moving slowly down the passageway, shouting his head off until he gets to the entrance of the room she is in, but she remains completely silent and doesn't investigate what is going on.
15 - Reeva, who has been silent as a ninja up until now, makes a noise right at the crucial point, which makes Oscar (on pretty scant evidence) think an intruder is in the bathroom.
16 - When Oscar realised it was Reeva, he went around the house screaming and shouting at the top of his lungs, conveniently explaining away some of the screaming the neighbours heard between bangs. This doesn't make sense. You scream in fear, when you are in pain, or to warn someone of danger. When you have done something that puts you in an extreme panic you might whimper or babble or hyperventilate or mumble constantly under your breath, but you do not run around shouting at no-one.
17 - Does being under 5ft 2in constitute the kind of vulnerability that makes firing shots through a locked door a reasonable action? I know adult women who are about 4ft 10in. I must tell them they are allowed to fire at will. How did Oscar manage on the slippy bathroom floor earlier on his stumps? Did he brush his teeth in the bidet?
Didn't know she was in the toilet, forgot his love's birthday.
Either way I'd be dead.
yes, I heard alex on sky.. another point was that he said
we both fell asleep.. but today he said HE fell asleep while she was doing yoga something like that..
she also mentioned that they watched tv but he could not recall a programme
and he said they went to bed r sleep at 10pm but today said they went up straight after dinner....
Catching up on this thread but...... OMG, were you there??? You seem to know for certain that OP was LYING, I presume he told you personally how far his faith went and what happened the night Reeva died.......?
Her birthday was August 19, not 18, but Benjamin you got it wrong saying it was February,.....its August, google it
Shouldn't the judge clamp down? I hope that Judge comes through because at present she has not stamped her authority on the proceedings, Roux is walking all over her Court.
The whispered comment is an addition rather than a change.
The other points have already been covered in thread except the last one.
He did say she wasn't breathing. But it's not necessarily easy to tell even when it isn't someone you just shot yourself.
Mutter you make me laugh so much! Every post of yours ive read, ive laughed unbelievably
you jumped in there having not read what I was replying to... so your answer is totally unrelated to what was actually being said,, forget it...
She said the most revealing was that Reeva was awake when he went to get the fans in, and it would have been reasonable to assume she went to the toilet.
Sorry, August. Don't know why I said Feb.
The judge in this case is literally judge and jury so whatever happens she will pick out the important bits. She needs to be as lenient as possible so as to lessen the chance of appeals and retrials.
The judge will know that OP is just going through a script compiled by the defence and signed off by the accused.
The opinions of any viewer or commentator of this trial counts for zip. Its all down to the judge. Hope she doesn't get sick!
Why isn't it enough for you that Reeva (or 'darling Reeva' as you have called her sarcastically) is dead? .. what is the point of assassinating her character? I can see why those loathsome women did it .. as soon as they started slating her looks it was all too obvious they were jealous but why are you so angry about her? If OP's career is ruined he has no-one to blame but himself.
And when he turned on the bathroom light. How convenient ;-)
I suggest you look at the discrepancies between his version told today and his own written Plea Explanation and the changes too that HE made to his own sworn Affidavit - he was there, yet he's changed his story - to cover up what happened and help his Defence - he's contradicted himself, noone needs to have been there.
If he was a man of so much 'faith' , Intruder or not, he would not have fired 4 shots into that tiny cubicle, - he also said today that he 'heard a noise in the toilet' - yet he still fired, he also said today that he carefully approached the bathroom from the passage way, there was time for contemplation and assessment of that situation , yet he still fired 4 shots.
His last encounter of any intruder was in 2005, 8 years ago, - his last misuse of firearms charge was to do with an incident only in September 2012, only 5 months before he shot Reeva with his own firearm - so this guy is reckless and he fired his gun with intent to kill,, regardless of whether he was in disbelief that he'd done so, he's not claiming temporary insanity, his case is that he thought she was an Intruder.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/oscar-pistorius-judge-swayed-tears-experts/t/story?id=23239037&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.co.uk%2Furl%3Fsa%3Dt%26rct%3Dj%26q%3Djudge%2520oscar%2520pistorius%26source%3Dweb%26cd%3D1%26ved%3D0CCwQqQIwAA%26url%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fabcnews.go.com%252FInternational%252Foscar-pistorius-judge-swayed-tears-experts%252Fstory%253Fid%253D23239037%26ei%3DAThEU8XTM4HAhAet_IHQBw%26usg%3DAFQjCNFu81NHNvuSloI1hld1auodun1pCA%26bvm%3Dbv.64367178%2Cd.ZG4
No one's push over IMO
Wow! 250 yrs sentence for a rapist!
http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/the-woman-who-will-decide-oscar-pistorius-fate-1.1764771
Benjamin, no problem