A pub just down the road from me used to have a cigarette vending machine.
Lots of pubs used to have them. I haven't checked in the pubs I've been in recently, as the cigarettes were much more expensive, than the equivalent from a shop.
Lots of pubs used to have them. I haven't checked in the pubs I've been in recently, as the cigarettes were much more expensive, than the equivalent from a shop.
Apparently our government has banned cigarette vending machines from the whole of the UK!
Of course, why not allow shops to be open longer on Sundays? Many would love it but, sadly, with no consideration to those who have to actually work in the shops to satisfy those who want longer opening hours on Sunday.
Those of you who enjoy Sunday shopping, a question. Would you want to work late on Sunday? If you did, would you be missing valuable family time? Are you honestly not satisfied with the hours that you do get to do that bit of shopping that you couldn't be bothered to do within reasonable weekday hours?
I'm sure that there any many out there who would but would you, personally, be prepared to man the tills at these unreasonable hours? I'm betting that the answer would be no, so why expect others to do it just for your convenience.
You expect others to work to power your home, supply clean water from your taps, provide gas to cook and heat your home; all for your convenience. What's the difference?
I work every Sunday and December 25th, because people like to go out and have a meal. So is it ok for people to eat out on these days, but not to go to a shop? If not, what's the difference?
They are not "unreasonable" hours. Every hour of every day of every day of the year someone is required to work. It's how the world works.
It's always about 'family'. It's pathetic. There are 7 days in a week. People work different days and times. You can manage to work any day ending in a Y and still manage to see family and friends.
If you follow your argument to its logical conclusion, then everybody would end up working Sundays. If the electricity worker works Sunday, then so must the retail employee, then so must the HR department, then so must the receptionist. It just doesn't equate comparing the ability to by a jumper at 16:30 on a Sunday to those working to provide essential services.
You could argue that supplying electricity to the whole of the UK (amongst all the others things we take for granted such as water, gas, phones, internet, tv etc) are not "essential services" because us humans have survived without electricity before. It's the same poor excuse the traditionalists use about Sunday trading laws. If it can be applied to retail, why not to electricity?
Well I am going to be very busy on Saturday so I need to do all these things on Sunday and here is my list
1. Call my GP and get a morning appointment to have that blood test I have been putting off .
2. Pop in to my building society to get my book updated and pay in a cheque
3. Pop in and see if my solicitor is free to talk about my will.
4. Pop in to the Estate agent and get details on that house I have been looking at.
5. Take my cat to the vet
6. Pop in to the council office and talk about my council tax bill
7. Pop into the employment agency and drop my CV off and register for work
I can’t do any of that of course (apart from the vet who wants to charge 3 times the cost for an out of hours consultation) as all the above are closed on Sunday
I bet the people who work in the above organisations would be screaming blue murder if it was even suggested that they work on a Sunday and normal hours on a Sunday as well, but I would bet they would scream even louder if they couldn’t get a pint of milk or a loaf of bread on a Sunday.
Of course in reality I can organise my time so I can do all these things on other days but then so can people organise their time so they don't need shops open for more than a few hours on Sunday
Personally, I feel shop opening on Sundays was a retrograde step. I appreciate I'm in the minority but I just don't like every day to be the same. Surely there can be one day without going shopping? Can't we organise our time so that we don't need to shop?
Yes, shoot me down!! I'm a grumpy old dragon!!!
Different industries and people work different times and days. How can the whole population of the UK decide between us all what day we won't go to a shop (any shop)?
What difference does it make to you whether someone goes to a shop or not, on any day of the week? What about those that travel by bus, train or plane on a Sunday - do you condemn them too? Or those that use electricty, gas, water, internet, landlines, mobile phones etc for the 24 hours that is a Sunday?
What about those that shop online at 4am on Tuesday? Or 9pm on a Sunday? Online or instore, they're still shopping and both require people to work. So what's the difference?
But have not people always worked these hours shift/week/nights, In some ways there are less people who work on sundays or want to work sundays because the pay is not different than any week day now, working sundays used to be double time but not no more
I work every Sunday and get my normal rate of pay. Why should I be paid more for working a day ending in a Y?
Why should someone working a Sunday be paid more than someone working a Thursday or Saturday?
Well I am going to be very busy on Saturday so I need to do all these things on Sunday and here is my list
1. Call my GP and get a morning appointment to have that blood test I have been putting off .
2. Pop in to my building society to get my book updated and pay in a cheque
3. Pop in and see if my solicitor is free to talk about my will.
4. Pop in to the Estate agent and get details on that house I have been looking at.
5. Take my cat to the vet
6. Pop in to the council office and talk about my council tax bill
7. Pop into the employment agency and drop my CV off and register for work
I can’t do any of that of course (apart from the vet who wants to charge 3 times the cost for an out of hours consultation) as all the above are closed on Sunday
I bet the people who work in the above organisations would be screaming blue murder if it was even suggested that they work on a Sunday and normal hours on a Sunday as well, but I would bet they would scream even louder if they couldn’t get a pint of milk or a loaf of bread on a Sunday.
Of course in reality I can organise my time so I can do all these things on other days but then so can people organise their time so they don't need shops open for more than a few hours on Sunday
If the Sunday trading laws are abolished it does not automatically mean that all shops would be open for the whole 24 hours. It means each individual company or store can decide on their opening times that they feel best suit their customers' needs.
Should all those that go out for a meal, the pub, cinema, bowling, the gym, gokarting, travelling, stay in hotels etc all "organise their time better" so they don't do these things on a Sunday?
Why does what other people do on a Sunday bother you so much?
Jeez, people on here are acting as if everyone that enters any shop on a Sunday is in a a shop of some kind 7 days a week and are addicted to shopping! And even if they are, so what. It's their life. Who cares? Do you feel the same about online shopping which is available 24/7 even on December 25th?
Different industries and people work different times and days. How can the whole population of the UK decide between us all what day we won't go to a shop (any shop)?
What difference does it make to you whether someone goes to a shop or not, on any day of the week? What about those that travel by bus, train or plane on a Sunday - do you condemn them too? Or those that use electricty, gas, water, internet, landlines, mobile phones etc for the 24 hours that is a Sunday?
What about those that shop online at 4am on Tuesday? Or 9pm on a Sunday? Online or instore, they're still shopping and both require people to work. So what's the difference?
I work every Sunday and get my normal rate of pay. Why should I be paid more for working a day ending in a Y?
Why should someone working a Sunday be paid more than someone working a Thursday or Saturday?
If the Sunday trading laws are abolished it does not automatically mean that all shops would be open for the whole 24 hours. It means each individual company or store can decide on their opening times that they feel best suit their customers' needs.
Should all those that go out for a meal, the pub, cinema, bowling, the gym, gokarting, travelling, stay in hotels etc all "organise their time better" so they don't do these things on a Sunday?
Why does what other people do on a Sunday bother you so much?
Jeez, people on here are acting as if everyone that enters any shop on a Sunday is in a a shop of some kind 7 days a week and are addicted to shopping! And even if they are, so what. It's their life. Who cares? Do you feel the same about online shopping which is available 24/7 even on December 25th?
Dont be so rude
Where did I say it personally bothered me?????
I was just pointing out that if people expect shops to open every Sunday and at normal trading times as 'its the only time they can shop' as many people on this and other threads on the subject have said, then equally the same people and many others should acknowledge that the organisations I have listed should also be open on Sundays.
I was just pointing out that if people expect shops to open every Sunday and at normal trading times as 'its the only time they can shop' as many people on this and other threads on the subject have said, then equally the same people and many others should acknowledge that the organisations I have listed should also be open on Sundays.
It was the 'organising their time better' bit that got me. As if to say anyone who enters any shop at any point on a Sunday isn't 'organised' with their time.
If someone wants to go into a shop or browse (or buy) online, who cares? It's life, it's upto them what they do at any given time on any given day.
Not so with offices, banks, govt depts, schools - let's have them all open so everybody can benefit in one way or another.
Schools I'm not sure about, but the others are allowed to open as and when they wish to. They choose to open/run the hours they do and can change them as or when they want to. It should be the same for retailers too.
It's only retail that is restricted. It's also only shops of a certain size that are restricted. Others are allowed to open as and when they like. So why is it ok for some, but not for others?
Not so with offices, banks, govt depts, schools - let's have them all open so everybody can benefit in one way or another.
Offices yes what about all the call centres,
technical support , your catalogue company etc
Some banks do open Sundays in larger towns and cities
Im sure there are many govt departments open especially behind the scenes.
What about boarding schools ?
Not so with offices, banks, govt depts, schools - let's have them all open so everybody can benefit in one way or another.
I'd be willing to bet every single one of those has someone working 24/7 to keep the system functioning.
Banks have security guards monitoring the branches or on site, as do officers. A lot of maintenance and cleaning is done in the small hours in all of the above as well.
Let's end this ridiculous families and Sundays argument.
I work on Sundays. In fact tomorrow is the start of my week and I will be doing a 9 hour shift. The people who take over from me at lunch time won't get out until 9pm, one of them will be there until 11pm.
Now, I am the youngest person on my team, I don't have a family to come home to, but many of the other people I work with do. They have been working Sundays for years, some of them have only ever been in jobs were they are required to work Sundays. They have perfectly functioning, normal family life, so shop workers working on Sundays could have that too. There is simply no reason whatsoever that shops cannot be pen later on Sundays. It's a myth that every single shop worker in the UK doesn't want to work on a Sunday night. If you have the hours people will work them. Why is family life put up there as some kind of mandatory thing which needs to be protected? A hell of a lot of people don't have kids so why should their working hours be dictated to them based on a Mo-Fr 9-5 2.4 children society which simply doesn't exist for them?
I am so sick of that totally redundant argument. It's not a reason to not have normal opening hours on Sundays. People work shifts. Not the same person would be in every single Sunday, unless they had a contract which stated they would only work on weekends...such as students...who would jump at the chance of extra hours. Not everyone goes rushing home to a family on a Sunday night and even those who do have families don't need to spend every waking minute with them either.
Once again, if you don't like shopping on Sundays and would rather keep it as an arbitrary special day then go ahead. Stay at home and read the paper. However you need to accept that not everyone wants to do this and someone shopping on a Sunday night in no way whatsoever affects your daily life or your ability to not go shopping.
If people cannot do their shopping 6 days a week 24/7 and sundays in six hours what hope is there.
What is the obsession with shops opening longer.
My arguement is that retail is the only industry sector that has a law on sunday opening no one else does, do pubs, restaurants and cinemas no and there is no difference
Offices yes what about all the call centres,
technical support , your catalogue company etc
Some banks do open Sundays in larger towns and cities
Im sure there are many govt departments open especially behind the scenes.
What about boarding schools ?
This country would shut down within hours if certain people weren't on call 24/7 on a Sunday (or any other day for that matter). Off topic, I know, but that is the way it is.
When you are watching your favourite soap on a Sunday, there is some guy working for the National Grid tapping into extra electricity from France to cater for all those boiling kettles switched on during the ad breaks, simply because our electricity supply wouldn't be able to cope otherwise.
Yes, that's right, we buy electricity from abroad at certain times.
I'm puzzled why shops even have to open a 9am, why not open at 11am and stay open longer in the evening, or even don't open until the afternoon and stay open into the evening. This would allow two things, 1 ease up morning rush hour and 2 allow families to shop together in the evening, this may have the knock on effect of re-claiming our city centres from the hordes of "low lifes" and "chavs" that inhabit them now.
Lets face it most people who are going to spend money in shops are working and can't shop during working hours.
The first big rush of the day in Supermarkets occurs at around 10am. Reason, Mum has dropped the kids off at school or playgroup and then pops into the shop for a few bits and bobs, at around the same time the pensioners also leave the house to go shopping as its after 9am that most concessionary fares and passes become valid on public transport. Elderly people tend to shop in the morning and then stop off for lunch in the cafes of places like Marks. This leaves them free to go to Bingo in the evening.
Not really. We go to Tesco twice a week, once on Sunday when we buy lunch ingredients for the week at work and Sunday and Monday nights recipe ingredients (we try to keep this shop as short as possible as it's always busy). We go out Monday night so we go again on Tuesday for the rest of the weeks shop. Sunday is the only real time we can get stuff for lunches during the week as after work on Friday we're either busy or getting ready to go out and Saturday we're usually busy.
It's nothing to do with wanting something "now now now" it's to do with convenience and being able to shop when you need so that shopping doesn't impinge on other things.
Why dont you get all the shopping on Tuesdays? then you wont have to go in any other days, seems more logical to do it all in one sweep instead of bit by bit as you could be spending more. Perhaps some like to go to Tescos a few times a week all the time, Im one of those who gets everything in when its quiet and then I have the weekend free and dont have to worry about it.
Shops shouldn't open on sundays at all. It should be the day of rest.
What about people who have a different day of rest? What about people who don't want to rest? Shouldn't people be free to choose rather than have the choice made for them?
I know someone who is a carer for old and disabled and she only gets Sundays off so has to shop then can't even do it before or after as she starts at 7.30am and can still be working at 11pm
Comments
Lots of pubs used to have them. I haven't checked in the pubs I've been in recently, as the cigarettes were much more expensive, than the equivalent from a shop.
https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&ll=48.847011,2.295059&spn=0.004159,0.006748&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=48.846986,2.29469&panoid=b2RgW2fVwZq7u0nRHT4xVg&cbp=12,356.49,,3,4.28
You think that's bad. Apparently you can get used panties from some Japanese vending machines.
http://www.heavy.com/comedy/2012/08/the-20-awesomest-japanese-vending-machines-porno-panties-pringles/
You expect others to work to power your home, supply clean water from your taps, provide gas to cook and heat your home; all for your convenience. What's the difference?
I work every Sunday and December 25th, because people like to go out and have a meal. So is it ok for people to eat out on these days, but not to go to a shop? If not, what's the difference?
They are not "unreasonable" hours. Every hour of every day of every day of the year someone is required to work. It's how the world works.
It's always about 'family'. It's pathetic. There are 7 days in a week. People work different days and times. You can manage to work any day ending in a Y and still manage to see family and friends.
You could argue that supplying electricity to the whole of the UK (amongst all the others things we take for granted such as water, gas, phones, internet, tv etc) are not "essential services" because us humans have survived without electricity before. It's the same poor excuse the traditionalists use about Sunday trading laws. If it can be applied to retail, why not to electricity?
1. Call my GP and get a morning appointment to have that blood test I have been putting off .
2. Pop in to my building society to get my book updated and pay in a cheque
3. Pop in and see if my solicitor is free to talk about my will.
4. Pop in to the Estate agent and get details on that house I have been looking at.
5. Take my cat to the vet
6. Pop in to the council office and talk about my council tax bill
7. Pop into the employment agency and drop my CV off and register for work
I can’t do any of that of course (apart from the vet who wants to charge 3 times the cost for an out of hours consultation) as all the above are closed on Sunday
I bet the people who work in the above organisations would be screaming blue murder if it was even suggested that they work on a Sunday and normal hours on a Sunday as well, but I would bet they would scream even louder if they couldn’t get a pint of milk or a loaf of bread on a Sunday.
Of course in reality I can organise my time so I can do all these things on other days but then so can people organise their time so they don't need shops open for more than a few hours on Sunday
Different industries and people work different times and days. How can the whole population of the UK decide between us all what day we won't go to a shop (any shop)?
What difference does it make to you whether someone goes to a shop or not, on any day of the week? What about those that travel by bus, train or plane on a Sunday - do you condemn them too? Or those that use electricty, gas, water, internet, landlines, mobile phones etc for the 24 hours that is a Sunday?
What about those that shop online at 4am on Tuesday? Or 9pm on a Sunday? Online or instore, they're still shopping and both require people to work. So what's the difference?
I work every Sunday and get my normal rate of pay. Why should I be paid more for working a day ending in a Y?
Why should someone working a Sunday be paid more than someone working a Thursday or Saturday?
If the Sunday trading laws are abolished it does not automatically mean that all shops would be open for the whole 24 hours. It means each individual company or store can decide on their opening times that they feel best suit their customers' needs.
Should all those that go out for a meal, the pub, cinema, bowling, the gym, gokarting, travelling, stay in hotels etc all "organise their time better" so they don't do these things on a Sunday?
Why does what other people do on a Sunday bother you so much?
Jeez, people on here are acting as if everyone that enters any shop on a Sunday is in a a shop of some kind 7 days a week and are addicted to shopping! And even if they are, so what. It's their life. Who cares? Do you feel the same about online shopping which is available 24/7 even on December 25th?
Dont be so rude
Where did I say it personally bothered me?????
I was just pointing out that if people expect shops to open every Sunday and at normal trading times as 'its the only time they can shop' as many people on this and other threads on the subject have said, then equally the same people and many others should acknowledge that the organisations I have listed should also be open on Sundays.
It was the 'organising their time better' bit that got me. As if to say anyone who enters any shop at any point on a Sunday isn't 'organised' with their time.
If someone wants to go into a shop or browse (or buy) online, who cares? It's life, it's upto them what they do at any given time on any given day.
Not so with offices, banks, govt depts, schools - let's have them all open so everybody can benefit in one way or another.
Schools I'm not sure about, but the others are allowed to open as and when they wish to. They choose to open/run the hours they do and can change them as or when they want to. It should be the same for retailers too.
It's only retail that is restricted. It's also only shops of a certain size that are restricted. Others are allowed to open as and when they like. So why is it ok for some, but not for others?
Offices yes what about all the call centres,
technical support , your catalogue company etc
Some banks do open Sundays in larger towns and cities
Im sure there are many govt departments open especially behind the scenes.
What about boarding schools ?
What is the obsession with shops opening longer.
I'd be willing to bet every single one of those has someone working 24/7 to keep the system functioning.
Banks have security guards monitoring the branches or on site, as do officers. A lot of maintenance and cleaning is done in the small hours in all of the above as well.
Let's end this ridiculous families and Sundays argument.
I work on Sundays. In fact tomorrow is the start of my week and I will be doing a 9 hour shift. The people who take over from me at lunch time won't get out until 9pm, one of them will be there until 11pm.
Now, I am the youngest person on my team, I don't have a family to come home to, but many of the other people I work with do. They have been working Sundays for years, some of them have only ever been in jobs were they are required to work Sundays. They have perfectly functioning, normal family life, so shop workers working on Sundays could have that too. There is simply no reason whatsoever that shops cannot be pen later on Sundays. It's a myth that every single shop worker in the UK doesn't want to work on a Sunday night. If you have the hours people will work them. Why is family life put up there as some kind of mandatory thing which needs to be protected? A hell of a lot of people don't have kids so why should their working hours be dictated to them based on a Mo-Fr 9-5 2.4 children society which simply doesn't exist for them?
I am so sick of that totally redundant argument. It's not a reason to not have normal opening hours on Sundays. People work shifts. Not the same person would be in every single Sunday, unless they had a contract which stated they would only work on weekends...such as students...who would jump at the chance of extra hours. Not everyone goes rushing home to a family on a Sunday night and even those who do have families don't need to spend every waking minute with them either.
Once again, if you don't like shopping on Sundays and would rather keep it as an arbitrary special day then go ahead. Stay at home and read the paper. However you need to accept that not everyone wants to do this and someone shopping on a Sunday night in no way whatsoever affects your daily life or your ability to not go shopping.
My arguement is that retail is the only industry sector that has a law on sunday opening no one else does, do pubs, restaurants and cinemas no and there is no difference
This country would shut down within hours if certain people weren't on call 24/7 on a Sunday (or any other day for that matter). Off topic, I know, but that is the way it is.
When you are watching your favourite soap on a Sunday, there is some guy working for the National Grid tapping into extra electricity from France to cater for all those boiling kettles switched on during the ad breaks, simply because our electricity supply wouldn't be able to cope otherwise.
Yes, that's right, we buy electricity from abroad at certain times.
http://www.renewablesinternational.net/files/smthumbnaildata/1500x/1/5/1/3/9/6/Francepowerimportsexports.jpg
I'd suggest you read into life in Japan if you want to see a real life example of what happens socially in a long working hours culture.
The first big rush of the day in Supermarkets occurs at around 10am. Reason, Mum has dropped the kids off at school or playgroup and then pops into the shop for a few bits and bobs, at around the same time the pensioners also leave the house to go shopping as its after 9am that most concessionary fares and passes become valid on public transport. Elderly people tend to shop in the morning and then stop off for lunch in the cafes of places like Marks. This leaves them free to go to Bingo in the evening.
Why dont you get all the shopping on Tuesdays? then you wont have to go in any other days, seems more logical to do it all in one sweep instead of bit by bit as you could be spending more. Perhaps some like to go to Tescos a few times a week all the time, Im one of those who gets everything in when its quiet and then I have the weekend free and dont have to worry about it.
Tell that to all the people who insist on doing their DIY on a Sunday.