Personally I much prefer to see a really well done dance with minimal lifts! If she's not comfortable doing lifts it's sensible to have as few as possible. One or two good lifts is better than loads of messy ones.
Yes, I remember susanna reed last year, sophie too...in both their routines there were too many half-baked lifts in the final dances...
I agree with minimal lifts.
Indeed, I think having too many lifts is the biggest danger in showdance choreography, especially when it's the celebrity who's female.
It has never been clear that lifts have a big appeal to the public, and even though lifts require skill on the woman's part, they often seem very passive to viewers -- with the woman seeming lifted or, worse, carried -- and the man doing all the work. This was a problem that plagued Dancing on Ice and probably helped finish it off.
A small number of high quality lifts in which the woman is clearly doing something can be good, but anything else carries great danger.
Also: all the practice time spend on lifts is time not spent on things that are better at showing dancing ability.
The problem I see though is that the paso, though looking really good in week 5 or whatever, is not going to compete with the 10's that will inevitably go to simon's AT and caroline's charleston. THAT will put real pressure on f&k's showdance...
I think that adding the Charleston was the worst ever change to SCD. Being goofy, doing rubbish 'acrobatics', and making faces should not be point-winners, but in the Charleston they are (at least in typical Strictly Charlestons). (I LOATHED the "Cola" so-called "Charleston" that helped Chris Hollins win.)
Anyway, I think the Paso is a good choice, if they can make it better than it was in week 5. It has a good 'performance' element that shows how Frankie can get into a character that's very different from her usual self, and it has the potential to be very crowd pleasing.
Indeed, I think having too many lifts is the biggest danger in showdance choreography, especially when it's the celebrity who's female.
It has never been clear that lifts have a big appeal to the public, and even though lifts require skill on the woman's part, they often seem very passive to viewers -- with the woman seeming lifted or, worse, carried -- and the man doing all the work. This was a problem that plagued Dancing on Ice and probably helped finish it off.
A small number of high quality lifts in which the woman is clearly doing something can be good, but anything else carries great danger.
Also: all the practice time spend on lifts is time not spent on things that are better at showing dancing ability.
I think that adding the Charleston was the worst ever change to SCD. Being goofy, doing rubbish 'acrobatics', and making faces should not be point-winners, but in the Charleston they are (at least in typical Strictly Charlestons). (I LOATHED the "Cola" so-called "Charleston" that helped Chris Hollins win.)
Anyway, I think the Paso is a good choice, if they can make it better than it was in week 5. It has a good 'performance' element that shows how Frankie can get into a character that's very different from her usual self, and it has the potential to be very crowd pleasing.
Well I hope you are right...looking at the training vids on ITT tonight, it is obvious the others are all going for the spectacular......if frankie and kevin are doing 3 minutes of ballroom, then the paso has to be good. I still would have preferred the tango.
The vid of f&k didn't show an awful lot...caroline's on the other hand showed several big lifts.......
I actually think they've been subliminally favouring Frankie. I mean let's take the fact that they've partnered her with arguably the most popular Strictly professional dancer. Second of all, they wanted her last year and she was the FIRST celebrity to be announced in the line up this year (there have also been claims that the producers wanted her the most). Also, she was left until last on the opening show to receive her partner which tells us that the producers were trying to hyper her up the most.
In regards to the judges choosing the Samba, the Judges Choice dance are typically dances that the performer needs to improve upon or could've been done better had no mistakes been made (hense why they've given Caroline her American Smooth again). I have a theory that the reason why they've been moderately harsh with Frankie and restricted her scoring despite her dancing exceptionally is so she doesn't peak too early - there's no better place to peak than in the final, right? I honesty reckon that the judges have done Frankie a favour by awarding Caroline 40 for a less-than-perfect Salsa as it caused quite a backlash from people saying that it wasn't worthy of full marks however Frankie's Argentine Tango was; this would've caused people to pick up the phone and vote for Frankie. Now that Frankie is yet to score a perfect 40/40, the final will be her prime opportunity to do so and if she manages to do it then it'll be all the more spectacular (especially if it's for her show dance).
I have believed that Frankie has been the producers favourite from the start and I still do. Even if they were against Frankie, they haven't succeeded in doing anything about it, in fact they've failed miserably as Frankie and Kevin are the only couple not to have been n the Dance-Off.
I actually think they've been subliminally favouring Frankie. I mean let's take the fact that they've partnered her with arguably the most popular Strictly professional dancer. Second of all, they wanted her last year and she was the FIRST celebrity to be announced in the line up this year (there have also been claims that the producers wanted her the most). Also, she was left until last on the opening show to receive her partner which tells us that the producers were trying to hyper her up the most.
In regards to the judges choosing the Samba, the Judges Choice dance are typically dances that the performer needs to improve upon or could've been done better had no mistakes been made (hense why they've given Caroline her American Smooth again). I have a theory that the reason why they've been moderately harsh with Frankie and restricted her scoring despite her dancing exceptionally is so she doesn't peak too early - there's no better place to peak than in the final, right? I honesty reckon that the judges have done Frankie a favour by awarding Caroline 40 for a less-than-perfect Salsa as it caused quite a backlash from people saying that it wasn't worthy of full marks however Frankie's Argentine Tango was; this would've caused people to pick up the phone and vote for Frankie. Now that Frankie is yet to score a perfect 40/40, the final will be her prime opportunity to do so and if she manages to do it then it'll be all the more spectacular (especially if it's for her show dance).
I have believed that Frankie has been the producers favourite from the start and I still do. Even if they were against Frankie, they haven't succeeded in doing anything about it, in fact they've failed miserably as Frankie and Kevin are the only couple not to have been n the Dance-Off.
I just saw this post on Buzzjack haha
I do kind of agree with you that she has been given quite a few privileges on the show, perhaps subliminally (watch her come 4th now..)
I actually think they've been subliminally favouring Frankie. I mean let's take the fact that they've partnered her with arguably the most popular Strictly professional dancer. Second of all, they wanted her last year and she was the FIRST celebrity to be announced in the line up this year (there have also been claims that the producers wanted her the most). Also, she was left until last on the opening show to receive her partner which tells us that the producers were trying to hyper her up the most.
In regards to the judges choosing the Samba, the Judges Choice dance are typically dances that the performer needs to improve upon or could've been done better had no mistakes been made (hense why they've given Caroline her American Smooth again). I have a theory that the reason why they've been moderately harsh with Frankie and restricted her scoring despite her dancing exceptionally is so she doesn't peak too early - there's no better place to peak than in the final, right? I honesty reckon that the judges have done Frankie a favour by awarding Caroline 40 for a less-than-perfect Salsa as it caused quite a backlash from people saying that it wasn't worthy of full marks however Frankie's Argentine Tango was; this would've caused people to pick up the phone and vote for Frankie. Now that Frankie is yet to score a perfect 40/40, the final will be her prime opportunity to do so and if she manages to do it then it'll be all the more spectacular (especially if it's for her show dance).
I have believed that Frankie has been the producers favourite from the start and I still do. Even if they were against Frankie, they haven't succeeded in doing anything about it, in fact they've failed miserably as Frankie and Kevin are the only couple not to have been n the Dance-Off.
Completely disagree.....they didn't 'subliminally favour' her when they put her bottom of the leader board in the QF's.....they put her in danger of going out...only the great british public saved them. PASHA IS ALSO VERY WELL LIKED, in case you hadn't noticed! And as for picking dances they can improve on, how come simons judges choice is his Argentine Tango??
It's all but confirmed they'll be doing the Samba as the judges' choice.
I'm not sure what to think of this tbh.
I think they should have chosen the one that maybe WOULD have been the difference between winning and third or fourth place.........the TANGO!! WTF?? TALK ABOUT DEFYING GRAVITY....I MEAN LOGIC!!
Rant over....get voting tomorrow guys, make sure they at least make the last three and GET TO DANCE the judges choice...however bad a choice it is.
PS on breakfast bbc this morning they interviewed all 4 finalists..as they interviewed caroline and mark, frankie and kevin were rehearsing......to 'la bamba', looked like a quickstep?
Completely disagree.....they didn't 'subliminally favour' her when they put her bottom of the leader board in the QF's.....they put her in danger of going out...only the great british public saved them. PASHA IS ALSO VERY WELL LIKED, in case you hadn't noticed! And as for picking dances they can improve on, how come simons judges choice is his Argentine Tango??
Okay:
First bit in bold - Often people say those at the bottom of the leaderboard and top of the leaderboard are actually least in danger - it's the people in the middle that are at risk the most. I think they may have "favoured" Frankie in the QF because it created the illusion that Frankie was 5th of 6 and Pixie much safer at 2nd, whereas in actual fact, Frankie was 3rd and Pixie was 2nd (taking into account the points).
Second bit in bold - Kevin seems to be equally as popular. Pasha has been in two dance offs before, Kevin has been in none ;-)
Third bit in bold - The Argentine Tango is Simon & Kristina's personal choice. They'll only dance it if they get through to the top three. I think the judges might choose his Salsa or Quickstep.
I think they should have chosen the one that maybe WOULD have been the difference between winning and third or fourth place.........the TANGO!! WTF?? TALK ABOUT DEFYING GRAVITY....I MEAN LOGIC!!
Rant over....get voting tomorrow guys, make sure they at least make the last three and GET TO DANCE the judges choice...however bad a choice it is.
PS on breakfast bbc this morning they interviewed all 4 finalists..as they interviewed caroline and mark, frankie and kevin were rehearsing......to 'la bamba', looked like a quickstep?
"La Bamba" was their week seven Samba music.
I was thinking about this in bed last night (by which point I had accepted they wouldn't be reprising the Tango): maybe it's actually a blessing that they aren't doing the Tango. The logistics of Frankie being green, in the wig, wouldn't work with the time constraints of the final, and I think that alone would lose some of the magic of the dance. Also, if they were to make a mistake it could tarnish how fantastically we saw it first time, and also, it was so great in week six that it wouldn't leave them any room for improvement.
Perhaps it's better just to leave it in Halloween week.
Completely disagree.....they didn't 'subliminally favour' her when they put her bottom of the leader board in the QF's.....they put her in danger of going out...only the great british public saved them. PASHA IS ALSO VERY WELL LIKED, in case you hadn't noticed! And as for picking dances they can improve on, how come simons judges choice is his Argentine Tango??
She may have been at the bottom of the leaderboard however the fact that they put her second in the Waltz-A-Thon made her tied third. Also, if the judges had over scored her for Salsa, that would've caused backlash causing people to vote for other couples out of spite.
Also, I never said Pasha wasn't popular. Did you just make that up? What I said was Kevin is ARGUABLY on of the most popular professional dancers.
Oh, as Stuart has said: Simon's Argentine Tango is his choice, not his judges.
I actually think they've been subliminally favouring Frankie. I mean let's take the fact that they've partnered her with arguably the most popular Strictly professional dancer. Second of all, they wanted her last year and she was the FIRST celebrity to be announced in the line up this year (there have also been claims that the producers wanted her the most). Also, she was left until last on the opening show to receive her partner which tells us that the producers were trying to hyper her up the most.
In regards to the judges choosing the Samba, the Judges Choice dance are typically dances that the performer needs to improve upon or could've been done better had no mistakes been made (hense why they've given Caroline her American Smooth again). I have a theory that the reason why they've been moderately harsh with Frankie and restricted her scoring despite her dancing exceptionally is so she doesn't peak too early - there's no better place to peak than in the final, right? I honesty reckon that the judges have done Frankie a favour by awarding Caroline 40 for a less-than-perfect Salsa as it caused quite a backlash from people saying that it wasn't worthy of full marks however Frankie's Argentine Tango was; this would've caused people to pick up the phone and vote for Frankie. Now that Frankie is yet to score a perfect 40/40, the final will be her prime opportunity to do so and if she manages to do it then it'll be all the more spectacular (especially if it's for her show dance).
I have believed that Frankie has been the producers favourite from the start and I still do. Even if they were against Frankie, they haven't succeeded in doing anything about it, in fact they've failed miserably as Frankie and Kevin are the only couple not to have been n the Dance-Off.
I find it hard to distinguish that from an anti-Frankie post. Producers' favourite?
It also looks like a conspiracy theory. Why would the judges risk their reputation and careers, why would the producers risk theirs and the possibility of great damage to one of the BBC's most high profile shows, by restricting someone's scoring rather than marking honestly what they thought the dance deserved?
How do you subliminally favour someone anyway? Do you mean subconsciously?
According to the Daily Star, Frankie has been polling the most votes for the last few weeks
Not doing the 'wicked' tango is a big big blow though. It would have pulled in kids' votes who like 'frozen', not to mention the usual fans who vote every week. WHY was it not chosen by the judges or k&f?? Too difficult to spray f=green paint?? That could be the difference between first and third or fourth.
Better get voting guys and girls....they need our help!!
I'll be voting online and chucking a few phone votes in, been trying to convince everyone I know to vote for them (nearly all of them already support her, they just don't generally vote)
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I agree with minimal lifts.
Indeed, I think having too many lifts is the biggest danger in showdance choreography, especially when it's the celebrity who's female.
It has never been clear that lifts have a big appeal to the public, and even though lifts require skill on the woman's part, they often seem very passive to viewers -- with the woman seeming lifted or, worse, carried -- and the man doing all the work. This was a problem that plagued Dancing on Ice and probably helped finish it off.
A small number of high quality lifts in which the woman is clearly doing something can be good, but anything else carries great danger.
Also: all the practice time spend on lifts is time not spent on things that are better at showing dancing ability.
I think that adding the Charleston was the worst ever change to SCD. Being goofy, doing rubbish 'acrobatics', and making faces should not be point-winners, but in the Charleston they are (at least in typical Strictly Charlestons). (I LOATHED the "Cola" so-called "Charleston" that helped Chris Hollins win.)
Anyway, I think the Paso is a good choice, if they can make it better than it was in week 5. It has a good 'performance' element that shows how Frankie can get into a character that's very different from her usual self, and it has the potential to be very crowd pleasing.
Well I hope you are right...looking at the training vids on ITT tonight, it is obvious the others are all going for the spectacular......if frankie and kevin are doing 3 minutes of ballroom, then the paso has to be good. I still would have preferred the tango.
The vid of f&k didn't show an awful lot...caroline's on the other hand showed several big lifts.......
I'm not sure what to think of this tbh.
In regards to the judges choosing the Samba, the Judges Choice dance are typically dances that the performer needs to improve upon or could've been done better had no mistakes been made (hense why they've given Caroline her American Smooth again). I have a theory that the reason why they've been moderately harsh with Frankie and restricted her scoring despite her dancing exceptionally is so she doesn't peak too early - there's no better place to peak than in the final, right? I honesty reckon that the judges have done Frankie a favour by awarding Caroline 40 for a less-than-perfect Salsa as it caused quite a backlash from people saying that it wasn't worthy of full marks however Frankie's Argentine Tango was; this would've caused people to pick up the phone and vote for Frankie. Now that Frankie is yet to score a perfect 40/40, the final will be her prime opportunity to do so and if she manages to do it then it'll be all the more spectacular (especially if it's for her show dance).
I have believed that Frankie has been the producers favourite from the start and I still do. Even if they were against Frankie, they haven't succeeded in doing anything about it, in fact they've failed miserably as Frankie and Kevin are the only couple not to have been n the Dance-Off.
I just saw this post on Buzzjack haha
I do kind of agree with you that she has been given quite a few privileges on the show, perhaps subliminally (watch her come 4th now..)
I think they should have chosen the one that maybe WOULD have been the difference between winning and third or fourth place.........the TANGO!! WTF?? TALK ABOUT DEFYING GRAVITY....I MEAN LOGIC!!
Rant over....get voting tomorrow guys, make sure they at least make the last three and GET TO DANCE the judges choice...however bad a choice it is.
PS on breakfast bbc this morning they interviewed all 4 finalists..as they interviewed caroline and mark, frankie and kevin were rehearsing......to 'la bamba', looked like a quickstep?
Okay:
First bit in bold - Often people say those at the bottom of the leaderboard and top of the leaderboard are actually least in danger - it's the people in the middle that are at risk the most. I think they may have "favoured" Frankie in the QF because it created the illusion that Frankie was 5th of 6 and Pixie much safer at 2nd, whereas in actual fact, Frankie was 3rd and Pixie was 2nd (taking into account the points).
Second bit in bold - Kevin seems to be equally as popular. Pasha has been in two dance offs before, Kevin has been in none ;-)
Third bit in bold - The Argentine Tango is Simon & Kristina's personal choice. They'll only dance it if they get through to the top three. I think the judges might choose his Salsa or Quickstep.
"La Bamba" was their week seven Samba music.
I was thinking about this in bed last night (by which point I had accepted they wouldn't be reprising the Tango): maybe it's actually a blessing that they aren't doing the Tango. The logistics of Frankie being green, in the wig, wouldn't work with the time constraints of the final, and I think that alone would lose some of the magic of the dance. Also, if they were to make a mistake it could tarnish how fantastically we saw it first time, and also, it was so great in week six that it wouldn't leave them any room for improvement.
Perhaps it's better just to leave it in Halloween week.
She may have been at the bottom of the leaderboard however the fact that they put her second in the Waltz-A-Thon made her tied third. Also, if the judges had over scored her for Salsa, that would've caused backlash causing people to vote for other couples out of spite.
Also, I never said Pasha wasn't popular. Did you just make that up? What I said was Kevin is ARGUABLY on of the most popular professional dancers.
Oh, as Stuart has said: Simon's Argentine Tango is his choice, not his judges.
Sneaky. Was thinking of going with my two other email addresses along with the one already registered.
I find it hard to distinguish that from an anti-Frankie post. Producers' favourite?
It also looks like a conspiracy theory. Why would the judges risk their reputation and careers, why would the producers risk theirs and the possibility of great damage to one of the BBC's most high profile shows, by restricting someone's scoring rather than marking honestly what they thought the dance deserved?
How do you subliminally favour someone anyway? Do you mean subconsciously?
I'm appreciating how genuinely grateful Kevin and Frankie are for all the support they get, especially on twitter
http://www.oddschecker.com/tv/strictly-come-dancing/winner
Perhaps it's not the foregone conclusion some of us thought?
Not doing the 'wicked' tango is a big big blow though. It would have pulled in kids' votes who like 'frozen', not to mention the usual fans who vote every week. WHY was it not chosen by the judges or k&f?? Too difficult to spray f=green paint?? That could be the difference between first and third or fourth.
Better get voting guys and girls....they need our help!!
This would make my day if true especially after the Caroline revelations in the DM this morning.
Frankie and Kevin In this weeks The Saturdays flip/video blog. Their so cute.
http://www.oddschecker.com/tv/strictly-come-dancing/winner
I'll be doing like 20 phone votes on top of that too