What made me angry was the ridiculous assumption that because he wasn't a campy, botox injecting pansy with a stupid haircut before the stroke, he couldn;t have been gay. Cos we all look like that, don't we? I've been out since 17, and I've always resembled the "old" Chris.
Of course there are people who 'appear gay' or 'act gay' and as these are the most obvious people assume all gays must exhibit these traits to some extent or other. The truth is there are FAR more gay people who DON'T exhibit any of these 'gay traits', and so are invisible to the general population
Actaully, what you're describing aren't "gay traits" but "camp traits", straight people can be just as camp as gay people.
He's obviously still in denial - why is he so hell bent on proving he was "the least gay person you'll ever have met" before this stroke? He looked so pissed off when the first doctor said it wasn't possible but when the second doctor said it might be possible he was smirking like he'd just won the lottery!
I don't get why he is so determined to prove to everyone that he was straight and a big burly rugby player who shagged various girls including grannies! If you're happy with the new Chris like you said at the beginning, why not just accept it and stop trying to prove how "ungay" you were once? :rolleyes:
He was happy with himself as a gay man now and didn't care if people could tell he was gay just from looking at him. But he did care if people thought he was gay before the stroke. Why would he care? It's almost like he needed something to 'blame' being gay on, which confused me, as he said he preferred his new self .
And also, the whole tone to the programme was putting people in boxes. Suggesting things like hairdressers must be gay and gay men don't like sport. Quite insulting really.
Isn't he playing up to a stereotype of what gay means, and doesn't his relief that his friends didn't think he was gay before show a bit of self-loathing against himself?
I think he was always gay, but had to act straight because of his environment etc.
He only listened to people who agreed with him. But you can be a rugby player and be gay too!!
The former girlfriend just did not add anything to the documentary. She didn't even discuss sexuality. I feel he remembered his most straight macho moments and blocked the rest, because it did not fit in with his own thinking.
If this was a woman who claimed she 'turned' lesbian, you can guarantee people would be a lot more tolerant of her claims and wouldn't be queuing to claim she was a liar
Male sexuality is still looked upon in binary terms; 100% straight or 100% gay. Any homosexual instances in your history? Then you're 100% gay.
I can understand the possibility of a stroke "turning" someone gay. What I don't get about the bloke in this show was that by "turning" gay he suddenly grew his hair, started wearing extentions, getting botox injections, working as a hairdresser and befriending hoards of women.
You can be gay and be friends with guys, work in a garage and continue to like sports. Just because you are now gay doesn't mean you have to stop liking all that stuff and become a grade A stereotype. So yea, I understand a stroke "turning" someone, what I don't understand is a stroke altering what you like or causing you to dump all your mates for older female mates and causing you to care about your appearance so much you need botox and probably full body grooming.
You have to already want that stuff and then embrace it once you are "turned" by the stroke which to me suggest he was already gay and wanting to embrace his inner stereotype and used the stroke as his coming out tool.
If he came out the stroke gay but still kept an avid interest in all his "straight" life hobbies etc then I could believe his story.
If this was a woman who claimed she 'turned' lesbian, you can guarantee people would be a lot more tolerant of her claims and wouldn't be queuing to claim she was a liar
Male sexuality is still looked upon in binary terms; 100% straight or 100% gay. Any homosexual instances in your history? Then you're 100% gay.
I felt sorry for this lad, obviously he believes the stroke turned him gay and I suspect that if he saw a 100 specialists 50 would agree to him and 50 would disagree.
But at the end of the day this lad has suffered a brain injury, which is a terrible thing, but worse still he seems to be experiencing a lot hostility, when he should be getting support and empathy.
The thing that upset me the most was the relationship between him and his mam. As a mam myself I would have liked to have heard her part of the story.
He said in the documentary that he had lost pretty much all his memories of before the stroke, so if he was in the closet then he wouldn't remember and presumably afterwards wouldn't remember the things that had caused him to want to be in the closet either.
I know this sounds weird but if he had lots of male friends before this stroke and just was one of the lads you'd kind of believe it more that maybe he was "straight"
But the pictures he shows before the stroke I can just tell he was gay haha, the posture he has in some of them photos and the way he was hugging his girl mates!
He just pisses me off that he's lieing really, what a bellend!
Watched this last night. I don't think he's lying but I think his memory loss has had a serious effect. What's to say he actually forgot he was gay, when all he's heard and seen are stories and pictures with girlfriends to jog his memory.
Watched this last night. I don't think he's lying but I think his memory loss has had a serious effect. What's to say he actually forgot he was gay, when all he's heard and seen are stories and pictures with girlfriends to jog his memory.
Exactly. I believe he always was gay and just hid it because of family pressure (cos quiet obviously his mother has a serious problem with his sexuality) and the accident just let him finally be himself. I hope he's happy and I hope his mother realises what she's missing out on.
I caught up with this last night and I just wish the programme makers would've pushed the issue with his mother. He did say at one point that she was a caring and protective mother after the accident but then became distant. Well all I can say to that is she should be glad her son is alive, well and happy, not worry about his sexuality (if that is the reason she's kept her distance).
I don't know about anyone else but I felt quite sad for the guy up in Liverpool who had the obsession with art. I know he said it makes him happy but there showed a loneliness there too.
Whether the accident did turn Chris gay, I just don't know.
I wish Chris and his partner all the best because they seemed so happy together.
He believes in whatever he wanted to. When the other doctor said it was possible for him to be the way after the stroke that's all the acceptance he needed. Perhaps his old self was in denial about being Gay and suppressed it until he found the excuse he was looking for.
It goes to say more about society than the person he is, where someone needs a reason to 'come out' in the hope of getting praise and acceptance. Then to 'come out' and be vilifiled for it.
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Of course there are people who 'appear gay' or 'act gay' and as these are the most obvious people assume all gays must exhibit these traits to some extent or other. The truth is there are FAR more gay people who DON'T exhibit any of these 'gay traits', and so are invisible to the general population
Actaully, what you're describing aren't "gay traits" but "camp traits", straight people can be just as camp as gay people.
But to some ignorant people, dressing well or taking an interest in your appearance are seen as 'gay traits'. An interest in art or the theatre, not liking football... these sorts of things are gay traits, or at least 'gay indicators', to these sort of people but they aren't camp as such.
I know this sounds weird but if he had lots of male friends before this stroke and just was one of the lads you'd kind of believe it more that maybe he was "straight"
But the pictures he shows before the stroke I can just tell he was gay haha, the posture he has in some of them photos and the way he was hugging his girl mates!
He just pisses me off that he's lieing really, what a bellend!
If you're such a body language expert, why are you wasting your time on here being nasty about this lad ?
Surely with such talents you should be working for the FBI or Scotland Yard :rolleyes:
Re "Bellend", all I can say is, pot, kettle, black !
He's always been gay, but needed to come up with a story feasible enough to not upset his family and be mocked by his friends(which is unfortunately probably what happens in this society still), so he used this load of crap.
He's always been gay, but needed to come up with a story feasible enough to not upset his family and be mocked by his friends(which is unfortunately probably what happens in this society still), so he used this load of crap.
No-one just wakes up gay.
He didn't wake up gay suddenly one morning, he had a stroke which damaged his brain and this is when he realised he was gay.
Maybe the programme should have been called something other than "I woke up gay" cos that just sounds sensationalist and appears to be misleading some folk ?
He's always been gay, but needed to come up with a story feasible enough to not upset his family and be mocked by his friends(which is unfortunately probably what happens in this society still), so he used this load of crap.
No-one just wakes up gay.
What about the woman who woke up after a stroke and suddenly spoke with an Italian accent?
Did she always have an Italian accent but had been hiding it because she wanted to fit in?
You couldn't just decide to change your accent. You could fake it, but it wouldn't be your real accent. So how can a stroke change someone's accent permanently but you know 100% that it couldn't change their sexuality?
I like how there are so many people who have opinions on this and are apparently experts on what happens to someone when they have a stroke!!
My father had a stroke and it really does change someones physical body and their ability to do things, I felt sorry for the guy as hes clearly scared of doing certain things in case he has a stroke or his health worsens, living like that is bad enough for a person. And I reckon on top of that fear he has the fear that his entire personality can change.
I thought the guy was genuine in he believed thats how it happened and of course it did, it was his life and how it unfolded for him so he's not lieing about that. But as for being straight before, I'm thinking as he's lost so many memories of that time and doesn't understand that period of his life plus with him being so young when it happened, i.e not really that long into his sexuality then it was more that he just believed he was straight back then.
A lot of people in generl are completely different in their teens than they are in their 20s or older, if he had been about 40 and had 20 years of being straight I think it might have been more interesting but it was a bit stretched out...as long he's healthy I hope he has a long life!
I'm just watching this and to be honest, I think this guy is putting on quite a performance. I agree with others, that have stated that there just seems to be too many inconsistencies with his "story".
"There was a girl here...I can't remember her name... There was a girl down the road, I can't remember her name..." etc etc. Various grannies... lol
He was not happy at all with that specialist stating that he was probably always gay. Far too much emphasis on how "straight" he was before the incident, or maybe rather how well he hid it. When the "ex-girlfirend" said how he would be the least suspecting... the beam from him was like . It's things like this that just make you wonder really.
Oh, and he just so happens to become a grade A stereotype in the process. What a coincidence that also brings a whole lot of daily attention aswell!
Still...he must be doing quite well financially from it all with his new iPad, clothes and frequent botox injections. What a coincidence that all this attention, money and even a whole TV show dedicated to him comes from this so called life-changing event. Then other poor people have strokes and get sod all.
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A million times this.
Actaully, what you're describing aren't "gay traits" but "camp traits", straight people can be just as camp as gay people.
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I don't get why he is so determined to prove to everyone that he was straight and a big burly rugby player who shagged various girls including grannies! If you're happy with the new Chris like you said at the beginning, why not just accept it and stop trying to prove how "ungay" you were once? :rolleyes:
He was happy with himself as a gay man now and didn't care if people could tell he was gay just from looking at him. But he did care if people thought he was gay before the stroke. Why would he care? It's almost like he needed something to 'blame' being gay on, which confused me, as he said he preferred his new self
And also, the whole tone to the programme was putting people in boxes. Suggesting things like hairdressers must be gay and gay men don't like sport. Quite insulting really.
I think he was always gay, but had to act straight because of his environment etc.
He only listened to people who agreed with him. But you can be a rugby player and be gay too!!
The former girlfriend just did not add anything to the documentary. She didn't even discuss sexuality. I feel he remembered his most straight macho moments and blocked the rest, because it did not fit in with his own thinking.
Male sexuality is still looked upon in binary terms; 100% straight or 100% gay. Any homosexual instances in your history? Then you're 100% gay.
You can be gay and be friends with guys, work in a garage and continue to like sports. Just because you are now gay doesn't mean you have to stop liking all that stuff and become a grade A stereotype. So yea, I understand a stroke "turning" someone, what I don't understand is a stroke altering what you like or causing you to dump all your mates for older female mates and causing you to care about your appearance so much you need botox and probably full body grooming.
You have to already want that stuff and then embrace it once you are "turned" by the stroke which to me suggest he was already gay and wanting to embrace his inner stereotype and used the stroke as his coming out tool.
If he came out the stroke gay but still kept an avid interest in all his "straight" life hobbies etc then I could believe his story.
Not really.
Excellent! Thanks for that.
But at the end of the day this lad has suffered a brain injury, which is a terrible thing, but worse still he seems to be experiencing a lot hostility, when he should be getting support and empathy.
The thing that upset me the most was the relationship between him and his mam. As a mam myself I would have liked to have heard her part of the story.
Ya rly
But the pictures he shows before the stroke I can just tell he was gay haha, the posture he has in some of them photos and the way he was hugging his girl mates!
He just pisses me off that he's lieing really, what a bellend!
Exactly. I believe he always was gay and just hid it because of family pressure (cos quiet obviously his mother has a serious problem with his sexuality) and the accident just let him finally be himself. I hope he's happy and I hope his mother realises what she's missing out on.
I don't know about anyone else but I felt quite sad for the guy up in Liverpool who had the obsession with art. I know he said it makes him happy but there showed a loneliness there too.
Whether the accident did turn Chris gay, I just don't know.
I wish Chris and his partner all the best because they seemed so happy together.
It goes to say more about society than the person he is, where someone needs a reason to 'come out' in the hope of getting praise and acceptance. Then to 'come out' and be vilifiled for it.
But to some ignorant people, dressing well or taking an interest in your appearance are seen as 'gay traits'. An interest in art or the theatre, not liking football... these sorts of things are gay traits, or at least 'gay indicators', to these sort of people but they aren't camp as such.
Surely with such talents you should be working for the FBI or Scotland Yard :rolleyes:
Re "Bellend", all I can say is, pot, kettle, black !
No-one just wakes up gay.
He didn't wake up gay suddenly one morning, he had a stroke which damaged his brain and this is when he realised he was gay.
Maybe the programme should have been called something other than "I woke up gay" cos that just sounds sensationalist and appears to be misleading some folk ?
What about the woman who woke up after a stroke and suddenly spoke with an Italian accent?
Did she always have an Italian accent but had been hiding it because she wanted to fit in?
You couldn't just decide to change your accent. You could fake it, but it wouldn't be your real accent. So how can a stroke change someone's accent permanently but you know 100% that it couldn't change their sexuality?
My father had a stroke and it really does change someones physical body and their ability to do things, I felt sorry for the guy as hes clearly scared of doing certain things in case he has a stroke or his health worsens, living like that is bad enough for a person. And I reckon on top of that fear he has the fear that his entire personality can change.
I thought the guy was genuine in he believed thats how it happened and of course it did, it was his life and how it unfolded for him so he's not lieing about that. But as for being straight before, I'm thinking as he's lost so many memories of that time and doesn't understand that period of his life plus with him being so young when it happened, i.e not really that long into his sexuality then it was more that he just believed he was straight back then.
A lot of people in generl are completely different in their teens than they are in their 20s or older, if he had been about 40 and had 20 years of being straight I think it might have been more interesting but it was a bit stretched out...as long he's healthy I hope he has a long life!
"There was a girl here...I can't remember her name... There was a girl down the road, I can't remember her name..." etc etc. Various grannies... lol
He was not happy at all with that specialist stating that he was probably always gay. Far too much emphasis on how "straight" he was before the incident, or maybe rather how well he hid it. When the "ex-girlfirend" said how he would be the least suspecting... the beam from him was like
Oh, and he just so happens to become a grade A stereotype in the process. What a coincidence that also brings a whole lot of daily attention aswell!
Still...he must be doing quite well financially from it all with his new iPad, clothes and frequent botox injections. What a coincidence that all this attention, money and even a whole TV show dedicated to him comes from this so called life-changing event. Then other poor people have strokes and get sod all.