Rewatching Buffy...
BaileyBigIdiot
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When i first went into school Buffy started and i watched it from my first years in school till my final year in primary school (sorry dont know what you call it in England) as it ran my years in primary. I bought Buffy season 1-7 on DVD and i am on season 4.
Season 3 for so far seems to be the best season 1 i liked season 2 was better than season 1 but not as good as 3.
Season 4 seemed a little weak at the beggining, it felt rushed and the big bad at this point is Maggie's son (cant remember his name) he seems weak in character, but it feels like the first half of 4 had some weak episodes but Maggie was a good big bad imo and then the second half her son isnt as good as her but the episodes are better. But Spike is as brilliant as ever, as is Anya or Xander's "Orgasm friend".
Does anyone else feel that season 4 is the weakest out of the first four?
Sorry to bring this conversation up it just i really want to talk about it but no one else that i know will re-watch Buffy.
Season 3 for so far seems to be the best season 1 i liked season 2 was better than season 1 but not as good as 3.
Season 4 seemed a little weak at the beggining, it felt rushed and the big bad at this point is Maggie's son (cant remember his name) he seems weak in character, but it feels like the first half of 4 had some weak episodes but Maggie was a good big bad imo and then the second half her son isnt as good as her but the episodes are better. But Spike is as brilliant as ever, as is Anya or Xander's "Orgasm friend".
Does anyone else feel that season 4 is the weakest out of the first four?
Sorry to bring this conversation up it just i really want to talk about it but no one else that i know will re-watch Buffy.
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As they were no longer in high school, there was no central gathering place for the characters to meet. Some characters had lesser roles like Giles and Xander, and other characters essential to the show's formula were gone completely, namely Angel and Cordelia.
Mind you, there are a few classic comedy episodes in Season 4 (Pangs, Something Blue, Superstar, The Yoko Factor), and the finale for that year (Restless) was superb.
Edit: Walsh's son was called Adam, and yeah, he was a weak big bad next to The Mayor and Faith, Spike and Dru and The Master. No-one comes close to The Mayor IMO.
Off the top of my head, I can think of only three duff episodes in season four (IMO: Beer Bad, Goodbye Iowa, Where the Wild Things Are).
Season Five is my favourite of the entire series. It has excellent standalones, a great Big Bad and an amazing finale.
You should give Angel a chance. I don't like it half as much as BtVS (never really liked or connected with Angel as a character), but it's worth a watch.
I dont hate season 4 it just to me not as good as the 3 previous seasons. I am not on season 5 yet but hope its good. I remember season 5s finale very well.
Is Evil Willow not even a good big bad in season 6?
Buffy couldn't stay at High School forever so the natural progression for her was for the show to move on and do something better so she stayed at Uni for a couple of seasons and you really see the show reinvent intself over the next few years. And I kinda liked season 4 onwards. You really see the quality go up and up throughout but in my opinion they're all worth watching.
If you miss Cordelia you should definitely get into Angel, she gets so much better in that series. I'm still undecided but I think I enjoyed Angel more than Buffy. I loved his character and it was great to see him develop into something a lot darker than Buffy. It's really sad that it ended so suddenly though.
I got the Angel boxset off Amazon for really cheap back in October, so definitely worth checking it out imo.
Well, yes... I understand for those reasons, but it seems to be universally reviled in fandom as the worst season of the series, when it really isn't. Which is what I don't fully understand. I think people tend not to look past the not-so-good arc and Big Bad to remember the really great episodes of this season (eg. Hush, Something Blue, Pangs, Who Are You, Restless, A New Man etc.)
Have to say season five was my favourite, loved every episode, thought Glory was the best villain of the show.
Hated season six with a passion, for quite a few reasons. It just felt like they were rehashing old story lines, and badly at that. Only saving grace was kick ass Giles in the last episode.
LOVED angel & its such a shame they cancelled it when it was riding high in the ratings at the time.
let us know how you get on OP. So jealous you're getting to watch it all for first time. Angel is def worth a go if you like Cordelia. She's brilliant in it.
I only had one problem with the Angel series. Not enough Doyle (may he rest in peace).
It's pretty sad but The Body is an awesome episode of Buffy. I found Joyce pretty annoying so wasn't too bothered when she died.
I hated Riley with a passion. It was great to see Angel smack him up
I'd argue that JW showrunning Buffy and Angel became rather evident across Series 4-7: some real stand-out episodes in both shows (check out 'I Will Remember You' from Angel Series 1), but they rather lost the consistency the first three series of Buffy had. Sorry, Joss, but let's face it, nobody can be that good all the time.
But, as others have said, a weak episode of Buffy is still streets ahead of so many other shows ...
maybe cos most buffy fans hated him or maybe just cos he was a genuine nice guy
bit of both i guess
I had a soft spot for Riley too although I LOVED the episode when he and Angel ahd a dust-up with Riley convinced Angel had gone bad and Buffy telling both of them to stop otherwise she'd kick their arses - and they knew she could!!
The actress playing Maggie Walsh left halfway through, which is why Adam's part was beefed up.
I preferred season 5, Dawn included. Season 6 I found dreary, and although Alyson Hannigan was excellent as a Vampire, I found her acting as Evil Willow to be terrible, and the way she was dispatched by being reminded of a crayon was weak.
Season 7 I really like, even with one of the worst English accents EVER.
Yeah it was strange as she seemed to be a good big bad, she wasnt physically strong but she was clever its a shame what a waste of such great potential.