I get that some people with a disability and mobility issues can gain weight which due to their mobility means they can't exercise however a lot of people are overweight and have health issues due to years of self neglect and their self abuse has causes their problems. At the end of the day it's a life choice so why should the taxpayer fund it.
These people don't just wake up one morning as obese and not able to walk. It's a long process of constant self abuse and at no point when they realised they were getting bigger and bigger did they bother to do anything about it before it spiraled out of control. Why should we keep giving financial help and sympathy to people who deliberately abuse themselves and refuse to do anything about it? People who moan about being fat but continue to stuff their faces with crap. People with no willpower to stay committed to diets or exercise who join the gym or start a diet and then give up after a few weeks and go back to their old routine of self neglect and make excuses and lie to themselves about why they can't lose weight. We all know why they can't lose weight when they wont diet and exercise. By all means help these people but when they're spending their DLA money on eating themselves to death and refuse to use it to help themselves then why should they be entitled to it at our expense?
Why should these people continue to get financial help and sympathy when they all they do is use it to fuel their habit and wallow in self pity. Why should I give up my seat on a bus for an obese person when their condition is self inflicted by years of self abuse and lazyness.
I get that some people with a disability and mobility issues can gain weight which due to their mobility means they can't exercise however a lot of people are overweight and have health issues due to years of self neglect and their self abuse has causes their problems. At the end of the day it's a life choice so why should the taxpayer fund it.
These people don't just wake up one morning as obese and not able to walk. It's a long process of constant self abuse and at no point when they realised they were getting bigger and bigger did they bother to do anything about it before it spiraled out of control. Why should we keep giving financial help and sympathy to people who deliberately abuse themselves and refuse to do anything about it? People who moan about being fat but continue to stuff their faces with crap. People with no willpower to stay committed to diets or exercise who join the gym or start a diet and then give up after a few weeks and go back to their old routine of self neglect and make excuses and lie to themselves about why they can't lose weight. We all know why they can't lose weight when they wont diet and exercise. By all means help these people but when they're spending their DLA money on eating themselves to death and refuse to use it to help themselves then why should they be entitled to it at our expense?
Why should these people continue to get financial help and sympathy when they all they do is use it to fuel their habit and wallow in self pity. Why should I give up my seat on a bus for an obese person when their condition is self inflicted by years of self abuse and lazyness.
I believe those who are excessively judgemental should be denied all benefits until they can prove they have at least a 10% improvement in empathetic thought.
With all due respect you have no idea how my depression is affected.
While alcohol can make some people depressed it actually alleviates my condition. It helps calm me down and feel more relaxed which helps my anxiety and getting out of the house and socialising makes me feel less depressed. If anything it's staying in the house staring at the same 4 walls that makes me worse. Plus the drink hasn't caused my depression as it's something I've had long before I drank so it's totally unrelated. I chose to stop drinking because I was doing it too much and got fed up of waking up feeling like crap and spending too much. I haven't asked anyone to help me with that and nor am I claiming it as a disability.
No it does not, you really need to go and talk to your GP and perhaps get a referral to a community team that can help you.
I get that some people with a disability and mobility issues can gain weight which due to their mobility means they can't exercise however a lot of people are overweight and have health issues due to years of self neglect and their self abuse has causes their problems. At the end of the day it's a life choice so why should the taxpayer fund it.
These people don't just wake up one morning as obese and not able to walk. It's a long process of constant self abuse and at no point when they realised they were getting bigger and bigger did they bother to do anything about it before it spiraled out of control. Why should we keep giving financial help and sympathy to people who deliberately abuse themselves and refuse to do anything about it? People who moan about being fat but continue to stuff their faces with crap. People with no willpower to stay committed to diets or exercise who join the gym or start a diet and then give up after a few weeks and go back to their old routine of self neglect and make excuses and lie to themselves about why they can't lose weight. We all know why they can't lose weight when they wont diet and exercise. By all means help these people but when they're spending their DLA money on eating themselves to death and refuse to use it to help themselves then why should they be entitled to it at our expense?
Why should these people continue to get financial help and sympathy when they all they do is use it to fuel their habit and wallow in self pity. Why should I give up my seat on a bus for an obese person when their condition is self inflicted by years of self abuse and lazyness.
True. But I just think knowing 50% of British people are overweight which means some of us can identify with these obese people. The constant challenge to eat healthier, not to binge drink, to avoid takeaways, to have a daily battle with sugar, to be more active. I think if we're real it's a challenge for a lot of us.
I was talking about the fact you CHOSE to have a child that the tax payer pays for
Why should the tax layer pay for your child (disability aside) when it was your choice to have a child
We are also tax payers and our council tax pays for that so we pay our own tax contributions same as everybody but the difference is, nobody is paying to support his poor life choices and fuel a habit that is a further burden to society and our healthcare system.
We are also tax payers and our council tax pays for that so we pay our own tax contributions same as everybody but the difference is, nobody is paying to support his poor life choices and fuel a habit that is a further burden to society and healthcare system.
A lot of people on DLA work so they are paying for their own benefit
True. But I just think knowing 50% of British people are overweight which means some of us can identify with these obese people. The constant challenge to eat healthier, not to binge drink, to avoid takeaways, to have a daily battle with sugar, to be more active. I think if we're real it's a challenge for a lot of us.
We are also tax payers and our council tax pays for that so we pay our own tax contributions same as everybody but the difference is, nobody is paying to support his poor life choices and fuel a habit that is a further burden to society and our healthcare system.
Are you saying that anyone who is obese has paid nothing into the system?
A lot of people on DLA work so they are paying for their own benefit
If you are, they are
Stop being a hypocrite
You're not getting the point.
People who were born with disabilities or through no fault of their own are not the same as those who deliberately bring about a burden on our benefits and healthcare system because they continue to make poor lifestyle choices.
Some of these people are capable of preventing themselves from becoming obese but a lot choose not to. Why should society continue to throw money to help those who refuse to help themselves?
I get that some people with a disability and mobility issues can gain weight which due to their mobility means they can't exercise however a lot of people are overweight and have health issues due to years of self neglect and their self abuse has causes their problems. At the end of the day it's a life choice so why should the taxpayer fund it.
Why should the taxpayer fund what? Care and support for people with severe disabilities who need care and support? Hard to say really. Perhaps because there is a bottom level of decency in society that says that if someone is so disabled that they are unable to perform basic self-care, they may be offered assistance without someone demanding an account of their entire genome and a list of every meal they have ever eaten, drink they have ever drunk and cigarette they have ever smoked, to see if they are 'good' people with disabilities or 'bad' people who should be left to die.
These people don't just wake up one morning as obese and not able to walk.
What people? People who wake up one morning, and find that they are unable to walk? Or people who don't, but lose their mobility over a series of medical incidents?
It's a long process of constant self abuse and at no point when they realised they were getting bigger and bigger did they bother to do anything about it before it spiraled out of control.
Why would you assume that anyone has never 'bothered to do anything about it'? Most very obsese people have a lifetime's severe struggle behind them. Do you know any? Or are you just creating bogeymen to soak up your clear need to judge and abuse?
. By all means help these people but when they're spending their DLA money on eating themselves to death and refuse to use it to help themselves then why should they be entitled to it at our expense?
You seem literally obsessed with the idea of people spending their DLA on 'eating themselves to death', in spite of the fact that your own family depends on it, and presumably understands the way it works. To get DLA you have to be severely disabled,, as you must well know. If someone gets DLA it is because they have jumped through all the hoops of showing that they have care needs, as you must know.
Why should these people continue to get financial help and sympathy when they all they do is use it to fuel their habit and wallow in self pity. Why should I give up my seat on a bus for an obese person when their condition is self inflicted by years of self abuse and lazyness.
Unbelievable. How bitter and mean you sound. Fancy grudging a person with a severe disability a seat on a bus on the grounds that you have imagined a past for them involving too much eating. Would you also snip through the oxygen delivery tubes of heavy smokers, and push people with advanced liver disease off their hospital trolleys on the grounds that they may have been alcoholics?
I can't believe that someone with disabled people in their family is so spiteful towards other people, of whom they know nothing at all other than that they don't like the look of them. I guess it is only in sentimental magazine stories that bringing up a child with disabilities makes someone kinder towards others.
People who were born with disabilities or through no fault of their own are not the same as those who deliberately bring about a burden on our benefits and healthcare system because they continue to make poor lifestyle choices.
Some of these people are capable of preventing themselves from becoming obese but a lot choose not to. Why should society continue to throw money to help those who refuse to help themselves?
You're not getting the point
You expect others to pay for your lifestyle choice but you begrudge others getting money for theirs
Are you saying that anyone who is obese has paid nothing into the system?
No I haven't said that at all.
I'm saying why should people who refuse to help themselves who continue to neglect and abuse themselves continue to receive financial support for self inflicted health issues when they refuse to change their poor lifestyle choices?
People who were born with disabilities or through no fault of their own are not the same as those who deliberately bring about a burden on our benefits and healthcare system because they continue to make poor lifestyle choices.
Some of these people are capable of preventing themselves from becoming obese but a lot choose not to. Why should society continue to throw money to help those who refuse to help themselves?
Are you saying that obese people have never paid anything into the system?
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These people don't just wake up one morning as obese and not able to walk. It's a long process of constant self abuse and at no point when they realised they were getting bigger and bigger did they bother to do anything about it before it spiraled out of control. Why should we keep giving financial help and sympathy to people who deliberately abuse themselves and refuse to do anything about it? People who moan about being fat but continue to stuff their faces with crap. People with no willpower to stay committed to diets or exercise who join the gym or start a diet and then give up after a few weeks and go back to their old routine of self neglect and make excuses and lie to themselves about why they can't lose weight. We all know why they can't lose weight when they wont diet and exercise. By all means help these people but when they're spending their DLA money on eating themselves to death and refuse to use it to help themselves then why should they be entitled to it at our expense?
Why should these people continue to get financial help and sympathy when they all they do is use it to fuel their habit and wallow in self pity. Why should I give up my seat on a bus for an obese person when their condition is self inflicted by years of self abuse and lazyness.
Does the tax pay for your kid?
No it does not, you really need to go and talk to your GP and perhaps get a referral to a community team that can help you.
Well here are 2 bits of research that are on the bbc news website today under health, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-28486092 / http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-28442550
They take up a lot of space and are therefore difficult to avoid.
My child was born with a disability which was through no fault of his own. He didn't cause it himself by self neglect and self abuse.
I wasn't talking about his disability
I was talking about the fact you CHOSE to have a child that the tax payer pays for
Why should the tax layer pay for your child (disability aside) when it was your choice to have a child
We are also tax payers and our council tax pays for that so we pay our own tax contributions same as everybody but the difference is, nobody is paying to support his poor life choices and fuel a habit that is a further burden to society and our healthcare system.
A lot of people on DLA work so they are paying for their own benefit
If you are, they are
Stop being a hypocrite
Such a brutal struggle, how do some of us manage!
I'm pretty sure the major majority of people on DLA don't work.
Edit: how the hell can you not see his point. Would it be OK for alcoholics and drug addicts to get DLA
Children, disabled otherwise, don't tend to work in this country.
Any proof of that?
Are you saying that anyone who is obese has paid nothing into the system?
14%
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/223063/analysis_of_disability_living_allowance_DLA_awards.pdf
Any proof that isn't 3 years old
You're not getting the point.
People who were born with disabilities or through no fault of their own are not the same as those who deliberately bring about a burden on our benefits and healthcare system because they continue to make poor lifestyle choices.
Some of these people are capable of preventing themselves from becoming obese but a lot choose not to. Why should society continue to throw money to help those who refuse to help themselves?
Hahahaha, and that's relevant because?
You're a complete buffoon if you think the number will have changed by a significant sum in 3 years.
I apologise that I provided proof to shut you up
What people? People who wake up one morning, and find that they are unable to walk? Or people who don't, but lose their mobility over a series of medical incidents? Why would you assume that anyone has never 'bothered to do anything about it'? Most very obsese people have a lifetime's severe struggle behind them. Do you know any? Or are you just creating bogeymen to soak up your clear need to judge and abuse? You seem literally obsessed with the idea of people spending their DLA on 'eating themselves to death', in spite of the fact that your own family depends on it, and presumably understands the way it works. To get DLA you have to be severely disabled,, as you must well know. If someone gets DLA it is because they have jumped through all the hoops of showing that they have care needs, as you must know.
Unbelievable. How bitter and mean you sound. Fancy grudging a person with a severe disability a seat on a bus on the grounds that you have imagined a past for them involving too much eating. Would you also snip through the oxygen delivery tubes of heavy smokers, and push people with advanced liver disease off their hospital trolleys on the grounds that they may have been alcoholics?
I can't believe that someone with disabled people in their family is so spiteful towards other people, of whom they know nothing at all other than that they don't like the look of them. I guess it is only in sentimental magazine stories that bringing up a child with disabilities makes someone kinder towards others.
You're not getting the point
You expect others to pay for your lifestyle choice but you begrudge others getting money for theirs
I'll say again, stop being a hypocrite
You resorted to insult, you lost
Oh and yes numbers like that can change year to year
No I haven't said that at all.
I'm saying why should people who refuse to help themselves who continue to neglect and abuse themselves continue to receive financial support for self inflicted health issues when they refuse to change their poor lifestyle choices?
Are you saying that obese people have never paid anything into the system?