Not really. It's a very poor figure for EastEnders, as well as the other two soaps on ITV. EastEnders had a big week this week, but it's scraping by with a 30% share on Friday. It should have at least 1.5 million more viewers.
Coronation Street is performing under expectations as well - those shares aren't very good for it at all. I'm glad ITV have noticed and will hopefully do something about it soon.
It's a shame for Emmerdale as it's been absolutely brilliant recently and deserves lots of praise and recognition. Next week also looking like an absolute corker, but the quality is not showing in the ratings. It's a shame it hasn't managed to creep back up to Killer Cameron levels as it deserves to be right up there at the moment.
Whilst the Ross / Donna storyline was great - what have we had since then?
The further adventures of Marlon & Laurel
Jimmy King wearing a wig
Vanessa, the ex lesbian who's now shagging a 17 year old who looks like he's 24
The return of Aaron, the gay character who doesn't do "gay" on-screen
The return of Doug who used to be on dinnerladies & acts like he still is
Jai shagging Leyla in toffee towers and her falling in love with him
It's been far from brilliant.
And whilst next week has the potential to be good, I fear the outcome will prove to be an anti-climax for many.
Don't wonder about the ratings - the evidence for them is there!
BBC One Scotland Decides
Average 2-6am - 696,000 (42.1%)
Average 6-9am - 1.995m (40.5%)
Peak - 2.679m (39.0%) at 8.00am
Share peak - 814,000 (52.9%) at 5.10am
BBC News Special
Average 9-10am - 1.225m (24.4%)
Average 6-9.15am - 1.954m (39.6%) (Breakfast last Friday - 1.470m (35.9%))
ITV Scotland Decides
Average 2-6am - 143,000 (8.5%)
Peak - 206,000 (10.5%) at 5.55am
Share peak - 195,000 (11.1%) at 5.40am
Good Morning Britain
Average 6-10am - 717,000 (14.1%)
Average 6-8.30am - 686,000 (13.9%) (Last Friday - 570,000 (14.8%))
Average 8.30-9.25am - 818,000 (15.0%) (Lorraine last Friday - 710,000 (14.7%))
Peak - 921,000 (14.5%) at 7.25am
BBC News (simulcast with BBC1 until 10am)
Average 2-6am - 79,000 (4.6%)
Average 6-9am - 150,000 (3.2%)
Average 9-10am - 235,000 (4.7%)
Average 10am-1pm - 181,000 (3.7%)
Friday peak - 356,000 (3.3%) at 5.05pm.
Sky News
Average 2-6am - 73,000 (4.3%)
Average 6-9am - 131,000 (2.8%)
Average 9-10am - 72,000 (1.4%)
Average 10am-1pm - 60,000 (1.3%)
Friday peak - 194,000 (3.2%) at 7.25am.
Obviously those numbers include the various Scottish opt-outs.
That's how itv write it and they should know. Check out the DOG in the top left corner of any itv channel.
Heeeeere we go again!
Why and how exactly is ITV in a textual context wrong? It's completely correct and I doubt anyone at ITV (or indeed most others) would say otherwise. By that logic this should be how we write the BBC channel names:
BBC one
BBC TWO
BBC three
BBC FOUR
A lot of brands have lowercase logo designs but that does not mean their company or brand name itself should be written in lowercase text.
Example being high street shop Next, or the ill-fated HMV. Both have lowercase logos, but since Next is a word, it is written like a noun and since HMV is/was an acronym, it is capitalised completely despite the brand logo being lowercase.
ITV is an acronym for Independent TeleVision and [highlight]just as you wouldn't write Tv, Bbc, Kfc, Ibm, Lg or any of the many other famous brand acronyms, you don't in any reality (but Samuel's) write Itv.[/highlight]
Yes this is tedious but if it gets people to understand why Itv is neither ITV or itv - the latter of which is just about acceptable despite being incorrect in a textual context - then so be it. Doubt it though.
Finally, ITV hasn't had an uppercase logo for over 15 years. The fact that every single source under the sun, be it ITV themselves, Wikipedia, magazines, papers, and other media ALL write it as ITV, should signify to people that it is ITV. That is, I repeat, ITV, not itv unless you write bbc as well, and never Itv.
Seeing Itv and BBC in the same sentence typed by the same individual when they are both acronyms, baffles me.
No doubt this post will either be ignored or I'll be told I'm taking it too seriously (i.e. my valid point will be ignored and I will be lightly ridiculed)
They actually haven't. Strictly's highest rating series was actually the 2010 series, which generally started around 6/6.15pm (closer to 6.30 later in the series when the episodes were shorter). The ratings haven't actually increased at all since they shifted it later.
Strictly and X Factor had their best rated series in 2010 due to the snow boost everything got. Go back to 2010 and look at when the ratings crossed 12m before the final. That was when it moved to around 6.30pm and it hit 13m for the first time before a final in 2010 with a mixture of snow and a 6.40pm start.
On the ITV/itv debate... in written form, it should probably be ITV. If you look at their press releases, at ITV Media, at articles in Broadcast, it remains ITV.
"itv" is the graphic, not the name. But it's fair enough to use I think. Itv is always wrong. Which is why he does it of course!
At the end of the day they're acronyms. Everyone knows what ITV, itv, Itv means and everyone knows what Corrie, Coro, Coro St means. If we're going to get wound up over it then this thread is going to become very chil... oh, scrap that - too late.
EDIT: Sorry, James, I think I went for the lightly ridicule route.
On the ITV/itv debate... in written form, it should probably be ITV. If you look at their press releases, at ITV Media, at articles in Broadcast, it remains ITV.
"itv" is the graphic, not the name. But it's fair enough to use I think. Itv is always wrong. Which is why he does it of course!
Thanks for chiming in, if a few posters who are more respected than me agreed perhaps he would stop doing it. It is not written as itv anywhere other than in the logo design.
At the end of the day they're acronyms. Everyone knows what ITV, itv, Itv means and everyone knows what Corrie, Coro, Coro St means. If we're going to get wound up over it then this thread is going to become very chil... oh, scrap that - too late.
EDIT: Sorry, James, I think I went for the lightly ridicule route.
But Itv looks utterly ridiculous... (as C14E says, that's the whole point). It affects my eyes when skim reading and as I said before, it's an attempt at brand-weakening. And quite effective, actually. Sort of screams (to random people) "unlike the BBC, this brand is not worth the hassle of writing properly/it's not as established as BBC, so I forget." etc blah blah.
Thanks for chiming in, if a few posters who are more respected than me agreed perhaps he would stop doing it. It is not written as itv anywhere other than in the logo design.
But Itv looks utterly ridiculous...
Got my new computer it's an Ibm!
Gonna go down to get a mini fillet from Kfc!
I love that new show made by the Bbc!
The BBC is so much better than Itv!
Quite a bit of what is written on here is completely ridiculous - including what I type. It's a ridiculous thread where a bunch of people come together to get very irate about a bunch of numbers which we probably care more about than the broadcasters themselves. I'd say let the little tics wash over you and embrace the insanity.
At the end of the day they're acronyms. Everyone knows what ITV, itv, Itv means and everyone knows what Corrie, Coro, Coro St means. If we're going to get wound up over it then this thread is going to become very chil... oh, scrap that - too late.
EDIT: Sorry, James, I think I went for the lightly ridicule route.
Well thats all I was trying to say when I suppose I started it earlier today.
See title of page: ITV2 - Digital Channel of The Year
Also lower down: "More from ITV2"
Find me an instance "itv1" was EVER written in text form by any source that's not a human being on a message board?
As I said above, logos can and often are all lowercase for aesthetic reasons; company/ brand / channel names do not change capitalisation because of a logo, and ACRONYMS ARE ALWAYS UPPERCASE.
Or are you just trying to feign ignorance as a wind-up as well? :(
BBC One Scotland Decides
Average 2-6am - 696,000 (42.1%)
Average 6-9am - 1.995m (40.5%)
Peak - 2.679m (39.0%) at 8.00am
Share peak - 814,000 (52.9%) at 5.10am
BBC News Special
Average 9-10am - 1.225m (24.4%)
Average 6-9.15am - 1.954m (39.6%) (Breakfast last Friday - 1.470m (35.9%))
ITV Scotland Decides
Average 2-6am - 143,000 (8.5%)
Peak - 206,000 (10.5%) at 5.55am
Share peak - 195,000 (11.1%) at 5.40am
Good Morning Britain
Average 6-10am - 717,000 (14.1%)
Average 6-8.30am - 686,000 (13.9%) (Last Friday - 570,000 (14.8%))
Average 8.30-9.25am - 818,000 (15.0%) (Lorraine last Friday - 710,000 (14.7%))
Peak - 921,000 (14.5%) at 7.25am
BBC News (simulcast with BBC1 until 10am)
Average 2-6am - 79,000 (4.6%)
Average 6-9am - 150,000 (3.2%)
Average 9-10am - 235,000 (4.7%)
Average 10am-1pm - 181,000 (3.7%)
Friday peak - 356,000 (3.3%) at 5.05pm.
Sky News
Average 2-6am - 73,000 (4.3%)
Average 6-9am - 131,000 (2.8%)
Average 9-10am - 72,000 (1.4%)
Average 10am-1pm - 60,000 (1.3%)
Friday peak - 194,000 (3.2%) at 7.25am.
Obviously those numbers include the various Scottish opt-outs.
Fascinating stuff Ronant. Thanks for this. Will be interesting to see what the breakfast/election ratings were like without Scotland viewers. Was there increased interest with people outside Scotland or did Scotland cause the main boost?
Did BBC1 keep a lot of the increased breakfast audience for the rest of the morning?
See title of page: ITV2 - Digital Channel of The Year
Also lower down: "More from ITV2"
Find me an instance "itv1" was EVER written in text form by any source that's not a human being on a message board?
The logo is not the name. Logos can and often are all lowercase for aesthetic reasons; company/ brand / channel names do not change capitalisation because of a logo, and ACRONYMS ARE ALWAYS UPPERCASE.
Or are you just trying to feign ignorance as a wind-up as well?
When I discuss the ITV family, I hope I remember to use uppercase. If I mention what channel is Coronation Street is on, I used to say ITV1 (because it was clearly different from ITV) but I now tend to use "itv" to differentiate the channel name from the company. (it's also easier to type for me because i have Parkinson's so i've lost the accurate use of one of my hands...)
Strictly and X Factor had their best rated series in 2010 due to the snow boost everything got. Go back to 2010 and look at when the ratings crossed 12m before the final. That was when it moved to around 6.30pm and it hit 13m for the first time before a final in 2010 with a mixture of snow and a 6.40pm start.
Strictly was rating incredibly well that year from very early on though. Even before the snow came it was rating better than subsequent series have even in slightly earlier slots. I agree starting before 6pm is damaging but by October whether its 6.15 or 6.30 or 6.45 doesn't make a great deal of difference.
Just seen the Stars In Their Eyes promo teaser from itv. I can already tell this is going to appeal to the working class grannies. BBC must not give it a free run by airing Atlantis early next year. They'll need to move the Voice against it or even Pointless Celebrities.
Where did you see it? (I'm so excited about it coming back!) And never mind working class grannies, I'm certaintly not one and I'm so excited, basically was the TV of my childhood! (Between SITE, gladiators and Blind Date, (and Saturday Night Fever on 5) I couldn't wait for Saturday's)
When I discuss the ITV family, I hope I remember to use uppercase. If I mention what channel is Coronation Street is on, I used to say ITV1 (because it was clearly different from ITV) but I now tend to use "itv" to differentiate the channel name from the company. (it's also easier to type for me because i have Parkinson's so i've lost the accurate use of one of my hands...)
K
Hopefully this adds some perspective to such trivialities of company names and how they are typed. Keep well Kenny, and who cares how you type it.
When I discuss the ITV family, I hope I remember to use uppercase. If I mention what channel is Coronation Street is on, I used to say ITV1 (because it was clearly different from ITV) but I now tend to use "itv" to differentiate the channel name from the company. (it's also easier to type for me because i have Parkinson's so i've lost the accurate use of one of my hands...)
K
That's absolutely fine Kenny, and I sympathise; but people have said already including myself that itv is acceptable (though I still kind of don't see how writing BBC is easy as pie but yet ITV is just so difficult it's easier to be lowercase.)
Itv is not acceptable. Do you understand the difference between itv and Itv?
That's absolutely fine Kenny, and I sympathise; but people have said already including myself that itv is acceptable (though I still kind of don't see how writing BBC is easy as pie but yet ITV is just so difficult it's easier to be lowercase.)
Itv is not acceptable. Do you understand the difference between itv and Itv?
Kenny writes itv, never Itv. No one would criticise someone for writing itv.
Just stop complaining about something that isn't particularly important in the grand scheme of things and you should have apologised to Kenny BTW.
That's absolutely fine Kenny, and I sympathise; but people have said already including myself that itv is acceptable (though I still kind of don't see how writing BBC is easy as pie but yet ITV is just so difficult it's easier to be lowercase.)
Itv is not acceptable. Do you understand the difference between itv and Itv?
i agree that "Itv" is wrong and if you just ignored it, perhaps it would go away! I don't know what device "sam" uses but perhaps he's got it as an "auto-un-correct" option!
bib, BBC is easier to type one handed than ITV (COS SOMETIMES I LEAVE THE CAPS LOCK ON BY MISTAKE!)
i agree that "Itv" is wrong and if you just ignored it, perhaps it would go away! I don't know what device "sam" uses but perhaps he's got it as an "auto-un-correct" option!
K
Ignoring it doesn't make it go away though, hence why we have had this topic dredged up over years now.
Auto-correct on a computer? I don't think so. Or are we to believe he types every single one of his thousands of posts on an iPhone? itv wouldn't autocorrect to Itv anyway - it's not a noun.
i agree that "Itv" is wrong and if you just ignored it, perhaps it would go away! I don't know what device "sam" uses but perhaps he's got it as an "auto-un-correct" option!
bib, BBC is easier to type one handed than ITV (COS SOMETIMES I LEAVE THE CAPS LOCK ON BY MISTAKE!)
K
Kenny, the fact that I have never noticed your spelling or capitalisation and always considered your posts completely sound, should signify you are not in any way guilty of the offence. Sorry to hear about your condition but I've never read a single one of your posts and even batted an eyelid about how/why you wrote it.
Just stop complaining about something that isn't particularly important in the grand scheme of things and you should have apologised to Kenny BTW.
I don't see why I should apologise, I have no problem with Kenny as a poster, or any of his posts he's ever written, nor have I insulted him or said anything rude, so why should I apologise?
I wasn't even talking about him when I asked why is BBC easy but not ITV - I was referring to Samuel! I get that BBC is easier one handed so itv would be the logical output without capitalisation.
We're talking about the use of Itv here, not itv, and no one is talking about anyone else's posts but Samuel's, so shouldn't take offence or think it's directed at them.
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The further adventures of Marlon & Laurel
Jimmy King wearing a wig
Vanessa, the ex lesbian who's now shagging a 17 year old who looks like he's 24
The return of Aaron, the gay character who doesn't do "gay" on-screen
The return of Doug who used to be on dinnerladies & acts like he still is
Jai shagging Leyla in toffee towers and her falling in love with him
It's been far from brilliant.
And whilst next week has the potential to be good, I fear the outcome will prove to be an anti-climax for many.
Don't wonder about the ratings - the evidence for them is there!
The company is called ITV plc. The dog is irrelevant.
BBC One
Scotland Decides
Average 2-6am - 696,000 (42.1%)
Average 6-9am - 1.995m (40.5%)
Peak - 2.679m (39.0%) at 8.00am
Share peak - 814,000 (52.9%) at 5.10am
BBC News Special
Average 9-10am - 1.225m (24.4%)
Average 6-9.15am - 1.954m (39.6%) (Breakfast last Friday - 1.470m (35.9%))
ITV
Scotland Decides
Average 2-6am - 143,000 (8.5%)
Peak - 206,000 (10.5%) at 5.55am
Share peak - 195,000 (11.1%) at 5.40am
Good Morning Britain
Average 6-10am - 717,000 (14.1%)
Average 6-8.30am - 686,000 (13.9%) (Last Friday - 570,000 (14.8%))
Average 8.30-9.25am - 818,000 (15.0%) (Lorraine last Friday - 710,000 (14.7%))
Peak - 921,000 (14.5%) at 7.25am
BBC News (simulcast with BBC1 until 10am)
Average 2-6am - 79,000 (4.6%)
Average 6-9am - 150,000 (3.2%)
Average 9-10am - 235,000 (4.7%)
Average 10am-1pm - 181,000 (3.7%)
Friday peak - 356,000 (3.3%) at 5.05pm.
Sky News
Average 2-6am - 73,000 (4.3%)
Average 6-9am - 131,000 (2.8%)
Average 9-10am - 72,000 (1.4%)
Average 10am-1pm - 60,000 (1.3%)
Friday peak - 194,000 (3.2%) at 7.25am.
Obviously those numbers include the various Scottish opt-outs.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/ariel/29141566
Sad in that article to see Saj Javid having to parrot the same old Murdoch/Cameron/Hunt/Miller line about cuts.
Heeeeere we go again!
Why and how exactly is ITV in a textual context wrong? It's completely correct and I doubt anyone at ITV (or indeed most others) would say otherwise. By that logic this should be how we write the BBC channel names:
BBC one
BBC TWO
BBC three
BBC FOUR
A lot of brands have lowercase logo designs but that does not mean their company or brand name itself should be written in lowercase text.
Example being high street shop Next, or the ill-fated HMV. Both have lowercase logos, but since Next is a word, it is written like a noun and since HMV is/was an acronym, it is capitalised completely despite the brand logo being lowercase.
ITV is an acronym for Independent TeleVision and [highlight]just as you wouldn't write Tv, Bbc, Kfc, Ibm, Lg or any of the many other famous brand acronyms, you don't in any reality (but Samuel's) write Itv.[/highlight]
Yes this is tedious but if it gets people to understand why Itv is neither ITV or itv - the latter of which is just about acceptable despite being incorrect in a textual context - then so be it. Doubt it though.
Finally, ITV hasn't had an uppercase logo for over 15 years. The fact that every single source under the sun, be it ITV themselves, Wikipedia, magazines, papers, and other media ALL write it as ITV, should signify to people that it is ITV. That is, I repeat, ITV, not itv unless you write bbc as well, and never Itv.
Seeing Itv and BBC in the same sentence typed by the same individual when they are both acronyms, baffles me.
No doubt this post will either be ignored or I'll be told I'm taking it too seriously (i.e. my valid point will be ignored and I will be lightly ridiculed)
Strictly and X Factor had their best rated series in 2010 due to the snow boost everything got. Go back to 2010 and look at when the ratings crossed 12m before the final. That was when it moved to around 6.30pm and it hit 13m for the first time before a final in 2010 with a mixture of snow and a 6.40pm start.
It was more creativity cuts than budget cuts. Even with budget cuts you can come up with a good storyline. They couldn't do that under Newman.
"itv" is the graphic, not the name. But it's fair enough to use I think. Itv is always wrong. Which is why he does it of course!
EDIT: Sorry, James, I think I went for the lightly ridicule route.
Thanks for chiming in, if a few posters who are more respected than me agreed perhaps he would stop doing it.
But Itv looks utterly ridiculous... (as C14E says, that's the whole point). It affects my eyes when skim reading and as I said before, it's an attempt at brand-weakening. And quite effective, actually. Sort of screams (to random people) "unlike the BBC, this brand is not worth the hassle of writing properly/it's not as established as BBC, so I forget." etc blah blah.
Got my new computer it's an Ibm!
Gonna go down to get a mini fillet from Kfc!
I love that new show made by the Bbc!
The BBC is so much better than Itv!
Quite a bit of what is written on here is completely ridiculous - including what I type. It's a ridiculous thread where a bunch of people come together to get very irate about a bunch of numbers which we probably care more about than the broadcasters themselves. I'd say let the little tics wash over you and embrace the insanity.
K
Well thats all I was trying to say when I suppose I started it earlier today.
http://itv.com/itv2
See title of page: ITV2 - Digital Channel of The Year
Also lower down: "More from ITV2"
Find me an instance "itv1" was EVER written in text form by any source that's not a human being on a message board?
As I said above, logos can and often are all lowercase for aesthetic reasons; company/ brand / channel names do not change capitalisation because of a logo, and ACRONYMS ARE ALWAYS UPPERCASE.
Or are you just trying to feign ignorance as a wind-up as well?
I'd start writing Bbc through the thread to make a point, only I cant bring myself to defecate all over my sentences like that. >:(
Fascinating stuff Ronant. Thanks for this. Will be interesting to see what the breakfast/election ratings were like without Scotland viewers. Was there increased interest with people outside Scotland or did Scotland cause the main boost?
Did BBC1 keep a lot of the increased breakfast audience for the rest of the morning?
K
Strictly was rating incredibly well that year from very early on though. Even before the snow came it was rating better than subsequent series have even in slightly earlier slots. I agree starting before 6pm is damaging but by October whether its 6.15 or 6.30 or 6.45 doesn't make a great deal of difference.
Where did you see it? (I'm so excited about it coming back!) And never mind working class grannies, I'm certaintly not one and I'm so excited, basically was the TV of my childhood! (Between SITE, gladiators and Blind Date, (and Saturday Night Fever on 5) I couldn't wait for Saturday's)
Hopefully this adds some perspective to such trivialities of company names and how they are typed. Keep well Kenny, and who cares how you type it.
That's absolutely fine Kenny, and I sympathise; but people have said already including myself that itv is acceptable (though I still kind of don't see how writing BBC is easy as pie but yet ITV is just so difficult it's easier to be lowercase.)
Itv is not acceptable. Do you understand the difference between itv and Itv?
Kenny writes itv, never Itv. No one would criticise someone for writing itv.
Just stop complaining about something that isn't particularly important in the grand scheme of things and you should have apologised to Kenny BTW.
bib, BBC is easier to type one handed than ITV (COS SOMETIMES I LEAVE THE CAPS LOCK ON BY MISTAKE!)
K
Ignoring it doesn't make it go away though, hence why we have had this topic dredged up over years now.
Auto-correct on a computer?
Kenny, the fact that I have never noticed your spelling or capitalisation and always considered your posts completely sound, should signify you are not in any way guilty of the offence. Sorry to hear about your condition but I've never read a single one of your posts and even batted an eyelid about how/why you wrote it.
I don't see why I should apologise, I have no problem with Kenny as a poster, or any of his posts he's ever written, nor have I insulted him or said anything rude, so why should I apologise?
I wasn't even talking about him when I asked why is BBC easy but not ITV - I was referring to Samuel! I get that BBC is easier one handed so itv would be the logical output without capitalisation.
We're talking about the use of Itv here, not itv, and no one is talking about anyone else's posts but Samuel's, so shouldn't take offence or think it's directed at them.
Even the Radio Times cover used to say "COMPLETE 7-DAY GUIDE TO BBCtv and Radio".