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Or BS as it's otherwise known. Where will all the volunteers come from, or will it be like National Service for any benefit claimants?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/johnhess/2010/10/finding_a_new_army_of.html
The poster in the background looks like its aimed at a five year old, really awful.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/johnhess/2010/10/finding_a_new_army_of.html
The poster in the background looks like its aimed at a five year old, really awful.
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The idea doesn't hold much weight among the Tory grass-roots either. It's kind of a flat concept that Cameron would do better to go back to the drawing board with.
Aside from the speech that made even the party faithful yawn and look at their watches in Birmingham and Baroness Warsi speaking of a clean car park in her constituency, I'm not sure many people know what it means. Worse or Cameron, I don't think many more people care.
Big Society = get the unpaid sucker citizens to do what really should be done by central government, local government and social services.
I agree, he really is flogging a dead horse but he seems to be carrying on with the idea though, mentioning it at the conference. Even his wife, Samantha, said it was something he was really passionate about.
Will he force a pet project of his own through even though he doesn't have his party's support, nor the support of the voters for the whole notion of BS.
You'd of thought the Left would of lapped up any form of Socialism.
I read in the Coast Artillery Journal Sep-Oct 1938 (pdf) (published bi-monthly under the supervision of the United States Coast Artillery Association for the information of the Coast Artillery personnel of the Regular Army, National Guard and Organized Reserves: $4 per year, single copies 75¢) that:
"The National Socialist Welfare Society is "one of the best and most important institutions of new Germany. Membership in this organization, as of all the others of the Party, is voluntary." The Society controls the Winter Relief Fund, through which, in 1936, 1,200,000 honorary helpers assisted 13,000,000 people from cold and hunger."
Excellent.
"But more than this, we need people, families, communities, businesses to step up to the plate and understand that it’s not just about stopping the bad things…
…it’s about actively doing the good things.
Not waiting for the state to do it all, but taking responsibility, making a difference, saying loudly and proudly: this is my country, this is my community: I will play my part.
That is social responsibility.
That is our idea."
I thought you had to be 18 to vote?
Must have lowered the age to 5 before the last election.
Yes it is all very vague. What is it that people are going to be expected to do that the state previously did? I suspect that this idea will eventually be buried. Cameron gave it another blast at the party conference to embarassing silence. Time to drop it. Hope he doesn't though because it makes him look rather stupid.
It isn't socialism-lite. Its getting taxpayers to do voluntarily the kinds of things their taxes should pay for the Government to do.
Are you suggesting that Cameron wants to develop socialist ideas? Must watch out for that in the next Tory manifesto.
Clearing out canals and rivers polluted for years with all kinds of detritus...............horrid, filthy, cold, wet, sometimes dangerous...and fun getting together to do it. It's been going on for years and years.
So if that's the Big Society, Dave should get out and see how well it's been going for a generation or two. It's certainly not a new idea or attributable to any organised group, far less one particular political party.
Telling society to do something (anything) usually results in - NO!
Indeed there are always loads of volunteers who get to together to maintain scrub land near where my parents live.
In the local dog walking park, when the paths get overgrown with bushes my dad will take his sheers out with them and prune them all back.
People have been doing these things for years Dave. Lets not forget it was your favourite leader who proclaimed there was no such thing as society. So make your bloody minds up.
Thank you for that.
It's a bit vague, isn't it?
Neither does Tysonstorm.
Dreadful isn't it, when I did voluntary conservation work I used to drag my children away from the tv and force them out into the fresh air into woodland. I should have been arrested.:rolleyes:
It then depends on the people. If they're happy with that then fine, Cameron gets another term. If they're not, the Coalition will be out next election.
The messge has morphed into: we don't want to pay for society, it's expensive when rich people need tax breaks.
I bet Cameron and the Tories own spin doctors don't quite get it but it has a nice classless ring as a strapline and politics is all about percieved values ain't it?
Cheap/free labour under the guise of Big Society (Socialism-lite) then yes I am saying that.
I do as it happens. Thats why I am against this Big Society idea. It stinks to high heaven of Socialism.
Then you are wrong. I did not do voluntary work to save the taxpayer money, I did it because I enjoyed it and took pride in doing something for the community that I lived in. And so did all the others whom I met over the years.
I took my children with me sometimes so that they could meet like minded people and grow up with a sense of civic duty.
Much like Socialism. Making people do more than their fair share when other sit back on their arses. Ticks all the boxes for Socialism. Which is why I'm surprised the Left are against it. Would they be against this Big Society Small Socialism if it had been a Labour idea?