EE: Is it just me or is carl
Bomani channing
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Not the slightest bit intimidating. On paper this should've been a slam dunk. He looks like a hooligan, has a husky drawl and he gets to torment adam in squeal mode (which woodyatt excels at). But other than carl's first episode I am not seeing it. They don't seem to have the bully/wimp dynamic ian/phil had, which to be fair isn't that easy to replicate.
My problem is with the actor playing carl, he seems decent enough but I think he might be too small to be convincing as a physically threatening force. They should make keep him more like he was with alice/the jacksons.But then again that wouLd mean dumbing down the square to prop the new baddie :rolleyes:
What are others opinion on him? I keep reading he's a breath of fresh air but he seems really bland a predictable so far.And the worse thing is sux at the whole menacing thing.
My problem is with the actor playing carl, he seems decent enough but I think he might be too small to be convincing as a physically threatening force. They should make keep him more like he was with alice/the jacksons.But then again that wouLd mean dumbing down the square to prop the new baddie :rolleyes:
What are others opinion on him? I keep reading he's a breath of fresh air but he seems really bland a predictable so far.And the worse thing is sux at the whole menacing thing.
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Maybe if Carl did a bit more shouting and screaming like Phil does, then he'd seem more intimidating
That's just it though, I can see he's trying to do the calm/subtle intensity just bubbling on the surface schtick. But it doesn't work, he should stop whispering and start shouting. And to be frank up until around 07 steve mcfadden could pull off the hardman act easily. It wasnt just the voice but his facial expressions were just ace.
Agreed. It doesn't work. He does whisper too much. Thing is, if they made him into a shouty hardman - then some people would say he's panto
I also agree about McFadden. He had some menacing facial expressions and his angry voice was intimidating back in the day. But physically, I've never found him convincing as a hardman. Dan Sullivan should've wiped the floor with him in a fight, yet somehow struggled to beat Phil.
The Mitchell brothers have always been favoured over other hardmen by the writers. So much so that it's become somewhat of a EE cliché and quite tedious to watch as a viewer. Carl will no doubt be put in his place by Phil at some point.
Yeah. I loved it when Den and Dennis teamed up to bring down Philth
True. That's what made Johnny Allen dangerous. As a fighter, he wasn't that tough. But his connections in the criminal underworld made him a formidable villain. He could get people murdered within two minutes after a phone call :eek:.
bib: Agreed. An EE tradition, unfortunately.:yawn:
It was good to see phil brought down a peg or two. Den done most of the work by himself and destroyed phil really. Even when they fought den found a way to beat phil. Phil also struggled to beat up johnny lol. Johnny killed andy without a problem and at the end when he admitted to his murders there a lot of people he killed. So killing phil and grant wouldnt have really bothered him and carl looks crap lol. Hopefully hell have some storylines to get stuck into.
So will Newman.:D
Haha yeah, I remember the time when Phil tried to attack Johnny in his office, and Johnny dodged the punch comfortably
Johnny's murder of Andy was hilarious
Yeah, I think by the end, Johnny had grown tired with all the feuding. He wasn't in the right mindset to deal with the Mitchell brothers. But he still came close to killing them.
From the sounds of it, it seems like Carl will give Phil a run for his money. We know that Phil and Carl have some scenes together soon. Carl doesn't seem intimidated by Phil at all and continues to demand for his money from Ian. Phil accepts Carl's demands from the sounds of it and tells Ian to pay his money - that's very unPhil-like. In the past, Phil would've tried something to get Carl to back off. I think Phil realises he's not as tough as he once was. Nevertheless, I do think Phil will still somehow manage to come out on top and beat Carl. It's inevitable :yawn:.
I agree phil would normally say something like next time you tell me this is my manor blah blah. I dont carl think will be scared of phil but lets hope this is phils last big fued and he can die or something. Somebody said they would like to see phil in a wheelchair, so would i. I think carl looks a bit small and i could never imagine him punching anyone he dont suit it. Then again derek looked weird when he got into a fight aswell.
Yeah, hopefully Carl or Jake Stone can put Phil in his grave once and for all. It needs to happen soon. First they need to build the storyline up gradually over a 1 or 2 year period.
I actually suggested that idea myself along with another poster. I like the idea of Phil in a wheelchair. It could make him realise that he's too old to play the hardman and push the character in a new direction. Would certainly be a good redemption storyline for Phil as we see him adapt to life in a wheelchair. I think it would be a very humbling experience for him and it will force him to face up to how badly he has treated people over the years.
Me neither. The storyline should last for about 6-9 months. Gradually Phil would get back on his feet again after a slow recovery. The recovery needs to be slow or it will come off unrealistic. Spinal injuries always take time to heal.
Yeah, you're right about Jake. But Dan Sullivan had a similar description to him and turned out to be a tough guy. I think Jake might start off as a normal guy, and then gradually become bad.
I'd like this storyline if Steve McFadden was leaving the show. But I still want to see more 'hardman' Phil for a little while longer
Haha fair enough
Mind you, I am looking forward to seeing the stunt with him and Carl. Sounds like it will be exciting. Let's hope the stunts are good :cool:.