So we are saying that the dossier on child anise in politics was handed to someone who was suspected of being an abuser?
Something is very very pongy in Westminster and people are bound to speculate about where exactly the whiff is coming from because the facts remain hidden.
I wonder whether he is the one they were waiting to die so that they can claim it is all in the past or if there are more suspects that they will seek to protect / prevent from testifying by delaying tactics?
Why not include Anne Kirkbride in your diatribe, didn't she give evidence in support of William Roache?
I that case the police believed they had enough evidence to pass on to the CPS who in turn decided the evidence was strong enough for a conviction.
Do you know what happened to every piece of paper you were handed over the past 30 years? Get a grip.
There had been the shooting of Yvonne Fletcher outside the Libyan embassy for which Britton pointed a finger at the security services for not doing their job, as a consequence he demanded a shake up and it is said elements of the security services took revenge.
We know the spy catcher Peter Wright attempted to sell a book on the premise the security services tried to form a coup against a Labour government in the 1960's but it turned out it was him alone.
If William Roache had died before his case went to trial I'm guessing some contributors would have jumped up and said he was slimy and creepy and guilty having not heard the full evidence.
The police apparently have a video which shows an ex-cabinet minister at a party organised by Sidney Cooke. A former police officer also claimed that they had photos of him taken under surveillance attending the parties back in the 80s. If it does turn out to be Brittan than I don't know how that can be denied.
What does a debate about a miners strike have to do with child abuse...it does look like that MP was just slinging mud...and he didn't come out and say Britton was a paedophile as previously claimed.
The police apparently have a video which shows an ex-cabinet minister at a party organised by Sidney Cooke. A former police officer also claimed that they had photos of him taken under surveillance attending the parties back in the 80s. If it does turn out to be Brittan than I don't know how that can be denied.
There have been lots of cabinet ministers. People assume it must be Brittan because he was handed a dossier on supposed abusers (based on what?) and didn't take it seriously enough. There seems to be a few gaps in logic going on here.
What does a debate about a miners strike have to do with child abuse...it does look like that MP was just slinging mud...and he didn't come out and say Britton was a paedophile as previously claimed.
Seems like you are doing exactly the same as above. Jumping to conclusions. Why not at least admit that you were hasty in accusing a forum member of lying when they were not?
There have been lots of cabinet ministers. People assume it must be Brittan because he was handed a dossier on supposed abusers (based on what?) and didn't take it seriously enough. There seems to be a few gaps in logic going on here.
Isn't the biggest logic gap that if Brittan were in the dossier then why would Geoffry Dickens pass the dossier to him?
The police apparently have a video which shows an ex-cabinet minister at a party organised by Sidney Cooke. A former police officer also claimed that they had photos of him taken under surveillance attending the parties back in the 80s. If it does turn out to be Brittan than I don't know how that can be denied.
I think one of the sites you refer to had investigated someone well known as being at a west London guest house and for months made allegations and then came to the conclusion the person had not been present at the premises.
If people have been abusing children physically, mentally or sexually then they should face justice but people shouldn't be tried and convicted by a 'journalist' or contributors to a forum such as Digital Spy.
Mind you it offers a great merchandising opportunity for pitchforks.
In the William Roche case did the police and CPS tell the accusers they were victims and do they maintain they were victims and if had Roche had died before the case went to trial what stance would some of taken?
As far as I know, he was under suspicion because a dossier of suspected paedophiles an MP handed him went missing somehow before or after he says he sent it to the proper people.
Were there any substantive allegations against him personally?
I haven't head anything along them lines. Just the fact the dossier went missing somehow.
Would you give a dossier about people involved in child abuse to someone profiled on the dossier?
Seems like you are doing exactly the same as above. Jumping to conclusions. Why not at least admit that you were hasty in accusing a forum member of lying when they were not?
The MP didn't say he was a paedophile, that was fabricated by the contributor.
If that means the contributor was not lying then I withdrew the remark Mr Speaker.
While trying to find an account of striking miners making claims at the time about Britton I came across this item....
The jail sentences mounted in length and number. Leon Britton urged life sentences for miners caught in confrontation with scabs, police or coal board property.
No account of claims made by miners, Interestingly at the bottom is....
First published in 1986...... South London DAM-IWA: 121 Railton Rd, London SE 24.
Railton Road was a hot bed of various organisations including The Paedophile Information Exchange (PIE) or Paedophile Action for Liberation who were housed at 98 Railton Road, London.
Scotland Yard says it will continue to investigate allegations former Home Secretary Leon Brittan raped a woman in 1967, despite his death.
The Metropolitan Police Service has confirmed that a review of the case "remains ongoing".
It follows allegations by a woman that she was raped at a flat in London.
The woman was over the age of 18 at the time of the alleged attack, police said.
In a statement, police said: "In late 2012, a woman alleged to the Metropolitan Police Service that she was raped by a man in 1967 at an address in London.
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I think the MP Jim Hood mentioned it in a speech he gave.
See link above. post #22
You rather jump to conclusions.
Why not include Anne Kirkbride in your diatribe, didn't she give evidence in support of William Roache?
I that case the police believed they had enough evidence to pass on to the CPS who in turn decided the evidence was strong enough for a conviction.
http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5152/met-s-paedophile-unit-seizes-video-of-ex-minister-at-sex-party
https://spotlightonabuse.wordpress.com/2013/02/17/was-islington-child-brothel-covered-up-in-1986/
Here is a clip.
What does a debate about a miners strike have to do with child abuse...it does look like that MP was just slinging mud...and he didn't come out and say Britton was a paedophile as previously claimed.
Thank you I had not seen that before.
Seems like you are doing exactly the same as above. Jumping to conclusions. Why not at least admit that you were hasty in accusing a forum member of lying when they were not?
Isn't the biggest logic gap that if Brittan were in the dossier then why would Geoffry Dickens pass the dossier to him?
I think one of the sites you refer to had investigated someone well known as being at a west London guest house and for months made allegations and then came to the conclusion the person had not been present at the premises.
If people have been abusing children physically, mentally or sexually then they should face justice but people shouldn't be tried and convicted by a 'journalist' or contributors to a forum such as Digital Spy.
Mind you it offers a great merchandising opportunity for pitchforks.
In the William Roche case did the police and CPS tell the accusers they were victims and do they maintain they were victims and if had Roche had died before the case went to trial what stance would some of taken?
Because he Dickens was a publicity seeking twonk?
This is man who campaigned against child abuse and happily sat for years alongside colleagues he knew were child abusers.
Maybe he didn't start getting caught out until later.
Update - already asked
The MP didn't say he was a paedophile, that was fabricated by the contributor.
If that means the contributor was not lying then I withdrew the remark Mr Speaker.
While trying to find an account of striking miners making claims at the time about Britton I came across this item....
No account of claims made by miners, Interestingly at the bottom is....
Railton Road was a hot bed of various organisations including The Paedophile Information Exchange (PIE) or Paedophile Action for Liberation who were housed at 98 Railton Road, London.
Yet according to that MP in the commons striking miners in 1984 were fully aware?
And if we are to believe Dickens named fellow MPs in his files various files he sat that for years letting carry on abusing children?
What makes you think that?:o:confused::p
http://news.sky.com/story/1413359/police-still-probing-leon-brittan-rape-claim
It mentions in the link below that he did keep a copy, but his wife later destroyed it. Presumedly, after he'd died.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/westminster-child-abuse-exclusive-geoffrey-dickens-also-gave-copy-of-file-to-top-prosecutor-sir-thomas-hetherington--so-why-did-dpp-also-fail-to-act-on-evidence-of-paedophile-ring-9588112.html