I'm not surprised that lots of people don't want to subscribe to the Chinese model of internet censorship which is what this alleged "porn filter" really is.
and with one Isp, your browsing gets sent to a Chinese company servers, and it makes no odds if you opt in or out of the filters. It still get sent to their servers.
As for the filters, if my provider had them, which they don't i would opt out as well. I don't need the sleazy government trying to tell me what I can and can not see.
This porm filter's not popular at all according to the BBC news site. There's only Talk Talk customers that have went past the 10% mark when installing this pornography filter.
Better sex education is needed too, with kids being taught that porn is not real life. Being taught what is legal when they are old enough, and what is not. The dangers of "sexting", the dangers of putting pics of themselves online etc. etc.
I agree with this. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of early teenagers out there get their sexual thoughts/ideas from porn that they've seen. They should really be taught what's real in sex and what's not.....the porn world. I don't think young lasses, maybe young lads as well, understand the full impact of what the consequences could be after uploading sexy images to the internet, or even uploading images full stop. I agree that young lads and lasses need to be fully educated about everything to do with anything sexual.
No doubt the Daily Mail will be absolutely livid, and start campaigning for even stricter censorship and to make the filters mandatory and on all the time.
That was my first thought, too. It isn't just the Daily Mail either, there are a number of politicians and their various backers (usually of Christian character) that will probably see this as a failure and demand more be done.
I agree with this. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of early teenagers out there get their sexual thoughts/ideas from porn that they've seen. They should really be taught what's real in sex and what's not.....the porn world. I don't think young lasses, maybe young lads as well, understand the full impact of what the consequences could be after uploading sexy images to the internet, or even uploading images full stop. I agree that young lads and lasses need to be fully educated about everything to do with anything sexual.
It's matters of consent that should be the focus of it, outside the basic biology of course.
In regards to uploading images to the internet, while I discourage it, I find it perverse that such images can be used to blackmail and get people sacked when they are created legally. It is particularly perverse when the subject of the image is punished, and the distributor is not. That's another thing that should be perhaps educated.
No doubt the Daily Mail will be absolutely livid, and start campaigning for even stricter censorship and to make the filters mandatory and on all the time.
They might not want to push too hard on that, due to the fact their own site is full of losely clothed Women, all day, everyday, on the right site of the site.
The costs would have been far better spent on an education programme. The ISPs could have designed a pack, and sent it to every account holder detailing the various methods of filtering already available, highlighting those that are free, details on how to download them, how to set them up and including links to organisations such as Childline, the NSPCC, the IWF and CEOPS etc. for those who are concerned or for children who may already have come across things that are disturbing.
Better sex education is needed too, with kids being taught that porn is not real life. Being taught what is legal when they are old enough, and what is not. The dangers of "sexting", the dangers of putting pics of themselves online etc. etc.
If you are a website owner and worried that your site might be blocked, you can check which ISPs block your site if the filters are activated here: https://www.blocked.org.uk/
I sort of agree with most of your post but porn has been around forever. I'm almost 60, was taught about the 'birds and bees' by my parents and at school but as a young healthy youngster looked at naughty magazines...looking at erotica is normal.
These days of the internet however makes porn more detailed and graphic which is a potential concern however, when you say "The ISPs could have designed a pack, and sent it to every account holder detailing the various methods of filtering already available, highlighting those that are free, details on how to download them, how to set them up and including links to organisations such as Childline, the NSPCC, the IWF and CEOPS etc. for those who are concerned or for children who may already have come across things that are disturbing"...
I'm not really that struck on the idea. Its more 'nanny state/PC' ideology when the real issue is telling parents to get off their backsides, talk, help educate their children and absolutely not rely on some IT company or School or the government to be parent and moral guidance counsellor to their children....thats mom and dad's job IMHO.
*of course that depends on which stuff the account owner has chosen to block if they are with those providers that allow you to block different categories of stuff. Plus different companies have different ideas as to what constitutes porn, and some are more over zealous than others. Plus the way they go about it isn't the same either, some just use a block list others use a block list but also block keywords too, leading to many perfectly legitimate non porn sites being blocked. It also means that if you change ISPs you cannot guarantee that the default settings block the same level of content that your previous ISP might have done.
Whatever way you look at it though, it has proven (so far) to be one colossal waste of time, money and effort for pretty much no gain. Exactly what the critics said would happen.
The costs would have been far better spent on an education programme. The ISPs could have designed a pack, and sent it to every account holder detailing the various methods of filtering already available, highlighting those that are free, details on how to download them, how to set them up and including links to organisations such as Childline, the NSPCC, the IWF and CEOPS etc. for those who are concerned or for children who may already have come across things that are disturbing.
Better sex education is needed too, with kids being taught that porn is not real life. Being taught what is legal when they are old enough, and what is not. The dangers of "sexting", the dangers of putting pics of themselves online etc. etc.
If you are a website owner and worried that your site might be blocked, you can check which ISPs block your site if the filters are activated here: https://www.blocked.org.uk/
I came across this today whilst on the "sexting" caution thread. It's a collaboration between the NSPCC and Channel 4. Very valuable and more needs to be done along these lines. Internet pornography isn't going away and this is facing up to that fact. My kids are all adults now and I don'y envy any parent of teenagers. This highlights the reality of teenage pressures and behaviours as a result of online pornography
It's matters of consent that should be the focus of it, outside the basic biology of course.
In regards to uploading images to the internet, while I discourage it, I find it perverse that such images can be used to blackmail and get people sacked when they are created legally. It is particularly perverse when the subject of the image is punished, and the distributor is not. That's another thing that should be perhaps educated.
The uploader of the image should definitely be punished. Some of the laws in this country are so unfair.
They really don't seem to have a clue about the internet.
When those making the laws keep thinking Google is the internet we will always have such problems unfortunately.
Technical experts said it was a waste of time and money doing this, the ISPs said it was a waste of time, even some of those not opposed to such things said it was a misguided waste of time, yet our PM would rather listen to the Daily Mail than to them.
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Porn and Amazon actually:
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/science-technology/porn-and-amazon-experts-tell-government-2014071188490
and with one Isp, your browsing gets sent to a Chinese company servers, and it makes no odds if you opt in or out of the filters. It still get sent to their servers.
As for the filters, if my provider had them, which they don't i would opt out as well. I don't need the sleazy government trying to tell me what I can and can not see.
I agree with this. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of early teenagers out there get their sexual thoughts/ideas from porn that they've seen. They should really be taught what's real in sex and what's not.....the porn world. I don't think young lasses, maybe young lads as well, understand the full impact of what the consequences could be after uploading sexy images to the internet, or even uploading images full stop. I agree that young lads and lasses need to be fully educated about everything to do with anything sexual.
That was my first thought, too. It isn't just the Daily Mail either, there are a number of politicians and their various backers (usually of Christian character) that will probably see this as a failure and demand more be done.
It's matters of consent that should be the focus of it, outside the basic biology of course.
In regards to uploading images to the internet, while I discourage it, I find it perverse that such images can be used to blackmail and get people sacked when they are created legally. It is particularly perverse when the subject of the image is punished, and the distributor is not. That's another thing that should be perhaps educated.
I sort of agree with most of your post but porn has been around forever. I'm almost 60, was taught about the 'birds and bees' by my parents and at school but as a young healthy youngster looked at naughty magazines...looking at erotica is normal.
These days of the internet however makes porn more detailed and graphic which is a potential concern however, when you say "The ISPs could have designed a pack, and sent it to every account holder detailing the various methods of filtering already available, highlighting those that are free, details on how to download them, how to set them up and including links to organisations such as Childline, the NSPCC, the IWF and CEOPS etc. for those who are concerned or for children who may already have come across things that are disturbing"...
I'm not really that struck on the idea. Its more 'nanny state/PC' ideology when the real issue is telling parents to get off their backsides, talk, help educate their children and absolutely not rely on some IT company or School or the government to be parent and moral guidance counsellor to their children....thats mom and dad's job IMHO.
I came across this today whilst on the "sexting" caution thread. It's a collaboration between the NSPCC and Channel 4. Very valuable and more needs to be done along these lines. Internet pornography isn't going away and this is facing up to that fact. My kids are all adults now and I don'y envy any parent of teenagers. This highlights the reality of teenage pressures and behaviours as a result of online pornography
http://www.channel4.com/news/generation-sex-explicit-pics-the-norm-for-teens
As far as the OP is concerned I agree it isn't just porn blocked but valuable educational material too. Typical moronic overkill.
The uploader of the image should definitely be punished. Some of the laws in this country are so unfair.
So, the internet is for porn and cute pussies.
I give you The Department of Dirty.
They really don't seem to have a clue about the internet.
awww
When those making the laws keep thinking Google is the internet we will always have such problems unfortunately.
Technical experts said it was a waste of time and money doing this, the ISPs said it was a waste of time, even some of those not opposed to such things said it was a misguided waste of time, yet our PM would rather listen to the Daily Mail than to them.