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Old 21-08-2011, 12:48
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Can anyone put up any factual links regarding Freemasons in the UK and what they're up to? I ask because, with one or two exceptions, this entire thread seems to built on wholly unsupported suppositions.

Telegraph from yesterday :

"Leading police officers have set up a national Masonic lodge where they can meet in secret in defiance of fears about the influence of the secret society on the criminal justice system."



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-response.html

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"The Archbishop of Canterbury is at the centre of a row after it emerged he had appointed a Freemason to be a bishop."

"Judges will no longer have to declare being a Freemason after Jack Straw scrapped a 11-year-rule he introduced amid fears he would lose a human rights battle. "
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Old 21-08-2011, 13:04
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Freemason own rules come into direct conflict with the Equalities act 2010

*Under human rights and anti-discrimination legislation, you have the right to hold your
own religious beliefs or other philosophical
beliefs similar to a religion. You also have the
right to have no religion or belief. Under the Equality Act 2006, it is unlawful
for someone to discriminate against you
because of your religion or belief (or because
you have no religion or belief):

The freemasons require all members to beleive in god.
You are entitled to discriminate in terms of religon if it is justified. There is no obligation for the RC church to appoint a Methodist as Pope
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Old 21-08-2011, 13:11
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Actually it would make a massive difference, Masons have an oath to do favours for each other. What if someone wanted a political favour ? You could wind up looking at charges of corruption and collusion. At the very least it would be a conflict of interests to hav a PM whose also a mason. How could he possibly be trusted to do whats best for the british public while hes in a secret society that exists on a "you scratch my back i'll scratch yours" whose dealings are closed to the public ?
They same way that you do or don't trust anyone else.

Most people are willing to do people favours particularly if they feel they have something in common with them. If doesn't have to mean corruption. If someone does something corrupt, it will be because he is corrupt, weak or vulnerable, not because he is a Mason
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Old 21-08-2011, 13:16
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No he doesn't. You don't HAVE to do anything. It's really no different from being in a fraternity or any other close group of friends or 'brothers' - you're just looking out for each other and helping out if you can.
Tony Blair's mum and aunt got to go to Masonic School in Dublin because their father was a Mason and died leaving young children.

When my free mason uncle became a father for the first time, it was suggested that the best thing he could do for his son was to die and ensure the child got a good education.
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Old 21-08-2011, 13:22
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Telegraph from yesterday :

"Leading police officers have set up a national Masonic lodge where they can meet in secret in defiance of fears about the influence of the secret society on the criminal justice system."
Thanks karijn.

I don't see the problem. A bunch of like-minded people - in this case members from the Police Force who have a problem with David Cameron's approach to the riots - get together and natter away about all the things they don't like (and presumably some they do). A complete waste of time IMVHO - but that's just me.

Of course, if they then go on to use their influence in a way that doesn't fit in with their positions - that's an entirely different matter. I know the freemasons exist (my granddad was one), but where's the evidence that they're this all powerful, untouchable force?

I blame Dan Brown.
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Old 21-08-2011, 13:34
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I've always wanted to join the Freemasons, it sounds so intriguing! I'm not sure if I know any though.. they obviously keep it a secret.
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Old 21-08-2011, 14:07
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Can anyone put up any factual links regarding Freemasons in the UK and what they're up to? I ask because, with one or two exceptions, this entire thread seems to built on wholly unsupported suppositions.
There's this:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011...-jonathan-rees


"Years ago, Jonathan Rees became a freemason. According to journalists and investigators who worked with him, he then exploited his link with the lodges to meet masonic police officers who illegally sold him information which he peddled to Fleet Street."
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Old 21-08-2011, 14:43
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I didn't say it was from a relaible source, I just asked the question if people had any evidence that he was one....
If the only place you have seen something is from a source you admit is unreliable then I would say there is no evidence wouldnt you ?

In the old days the Masons may have been a secret society with secrets to hold, these days it is no great secret , and they still do a lot for charity.

Personally I dont see anything worng with anyone being a Mason. Wikipedia sums of Freemasonry pretty well, and these are joust a few snippets , who can find anything worng with that ? ( the only one I would say is questionable is one of the Scandanavian versions called Swedish Rite which only accepts Christians which goes against Freemasonary as such ) .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemasonry

symbolism to teach moral and ethical lessons of the principles of "Brotherly Love, Relief, and Truth

The discussion of politics and religion is forbidden within a Masonic Lodge, in part so a Mason will not be placed in the situation of having to justify his personal interpretation.[29] Thus, reference to the Supreme Being can mean the Christian Trinity to a Christian Mason, Allah to a Muslim Mason, Para Brahman to a Hindu Mason, etc. While most Freemasons would take the view that the term Supreme Being equates to God, others may hold a more complex or philosophical interpretation of the term

the candidate promises to act in a manner befitting a member of civilised society, promises to obey the law of his Supreme Being, promises to obey the law of his sovereign state, promises to attend his lodge if he is able, promises not to wrong, cheat nor defraud the Lodge or the brethren, and promises aid or charity to a member of the human family, brethren and their families in times of need if it can be done without causing financial harm to himself or his dependents
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Old 21-08-2011, 17:27
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If the only place you have seen something is from a source you admit is unreliable then I would say there is no evidence wouldnt you ?

In the old days the Masons may have been a secret society with secrets to hold, these days it is no great secret , and they still do a lot for charity.

Personally I dont see anything worng with anyone being a Mason. Wikipedia sums of Freemasonry pretty well...
You speak about reliable sources, then mention Wikipedia, which by definition means that the page may be written & 'defended' by freemasons. Look at the link above to see why there might be something wrong with it.
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Old 21-08-2011, 17:43
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You speak about reliable sources, then mention Wikipedia, which by definition means that the page may be written & 'defended' by freemasons. Look at the link above to see why there might be something wrong with it.
You can get corruption in any club or group , The Rotary Club, The Scouts , anywhere , that doesnt mean everyone is corrupt who belongs to an orgainsiation where there has been corruption.
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Old 21-08-2011, 17:59
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You can get corruption in any club or group , The Rotary Club, The Scouts , anywhere , that doesnt mean everyone is corrupt who belongs to an orgainsiation where there has been corruption.
Have freemasons ever reported criminality or corruption by their own members & has that ever been successfully prosecuted & those persons jailed?
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