How many children are killed or seriously injured by dogs every year? Less than 10?
I imagine we could prevent a hundredfold more deaths by reducing the speed limit by 10mph, regulating children's food content, or a whole host of other things. Do you know how many kids get asthma every year because of pollution? But you want to fanny on legislating for dogs?
On any sensible cost benefit analysis, legislating for dangerous dogs (again) is an utter waste of society's resources.
And no, I don't have a dog.
If one life could be saved by introducing a new law I'd sign but this situation and those like it can't be saved by the law. they can only be saved by teaching people how to work and live with dogs. I am convinced that Dogs are just wolves in another guise. whan thay live in our homes we need to be aware that they can still act as wolves act. we need to learn that people who enter our homes (when dogs are present) are intruders into their territory and even people who live with them can be attacked if they don't live by the 'Pack Law'. We have to be masters (top dog) or we run the risk of being attacked in our home, or when we visit at a house where a dog lives. the law won't change the number of deaths and injuries caused by dogs. but learning how to live with them might.
Whilst offering no criticism to the guy who started this petition, as I fully understand and appreciate his motives, I'm not signing it. If passed it will open the door to all manner of spurious claims, ranging from paper boys to intruders.
I do, however, think that ALL dogs should be muzzled when off private property, even if on a lead.
Muzzling in public wouldn't have made any difference in this case. Perhaps soft muzzles should be encouraged when a dog isn't feeding.
If one life could be saved by introducing a new law I'd sign but this situation and those like it can't be saved by the law. they can only be saved by teaching people how to work and live with dogs. I am convinced that Dogs are just wolves in another guise. whan thay live in our homes we need to be aware that they can still act as wolves act. we need to learn that people who enter our homes (when dogs are present) are intruders into their territory and even people who live with them can be attacked if they don't live by the 'Pack Law'. We have to be masters (top dog) or we run the risk of being attacked in our home, or when we visit at a house where a dog lives. the law won't change the number of deaths and injuries caused by dogs. but learning how to live with them might.
Pack theory is really quite outdated now and can do more harm than good. Dogs that have been handled roughly are IMO more likely to be mistrustful and bite.
The key is choosing a suitable dog, or number of dogs, for you lifestyle, going to a good breeder, early and ongoing socialisation, good diet and COMMON SENSE!!
Muzzling in public wouldn't have made any difference in this case. Perhaps soft muzzles should be encouraged when a dog isn't feeding.
Not in this case, no. But as a principle, I felt it was worth propounding. There have been instances of people being attacked on the streets, and dogs killing cats. Muzzled, they'd not be nearly as dangerous.
The most recent figures, for the year ending April 2012, showed a total of 6,450 admissions for dog bites or strikes, an increase of 5.2% on the previous year. Of those 1,040 were of under-10s, with nearly half (494 admissions) requiring plastic surgery, and 27% (278 admissions) resulting in oral or facial surgery.
This horrible event happened within some ones home. I cannot sign a petition where we legislate against unforseeable events.
However I wish there were far more rigorous and stringent measures against the breeding of all dogs, but particularly the so called Chav breeds.
The circumstances these dogs were living in looked very inadequate. There is no doubt many dogs are bred and sold by very unscrupulous people to equally unscrupulous purchasers.
The most recent figures, for the year ending April 2012, showed a total of 6,450 admissions for dog bites or strikes, an increase of 5.2% on the previous year. Of those 1,040 were of under-10s, with nearly half (494 admissions) requiring plastic surgery, and 27% (278 admissions) resulting in oral or facial surgery.
Not a best guess :rolleyes:
Not really an honest answer to the question either. :rolleyes:
what do you mean? You talking about my answer? Where is the dishonesty?
Lordy, where to start?
It doesn't attempt to consider stuff like size of population, number of children, number of dogs, type of injuries, seriousness of injuries etc.
My niece had "plastic surgery" after a dog-bite.
The actual incident consisted of her holding a dog-toy in her mouth and getting bit on her lip when the dog attempted to get the toy off her.
And her injury required an overnight stay in hospital too, cos she was so freaked-out by the idea of a stitch in her lip that anaesthetic was required.
Buy a cat, a lot less aggressive and there isn't such a thing as a dangerous cats act. I accept most dogs are fine, but would you feel more confident walking past ten cats in the street than one Dobermann off the lead?
The most recent figures, for the year ending April 2012, showed a total of 6,450 admissions for dog bites or strikes, an increase of 5.2% on the previous year. Of those 1,040 were of under-10s, with nearly half (494 admissions) requiring plastic surgery, and 27% (278 admissions) resulting in oral or facial surgery.
Not a best guess :rolleyes:
You're right, presumably if there had been a single death the article would have mentioned it. Seems I overpredicted it.
Buy a cat, a lot less aggressive and there isn't such a thing as a dangerous cats act. I accept most dogs are fine, but would you feel more confident walking past ten cats in the street than one Dobermann off the lead?
My worst animal related injury was from a cat. On a number of occasions actually. I would much rather the Dobermann off a lead then the 10 cats.
And I do actually own a cat myself.
I won't sign it. It's ill thought out and because it was made in the heat of grief where you can't always think rationally. I see tons of potential for issues with it.
If your daughter was murdered by crazed dogs, you'd think the same way.
Possibly but in that emotional state making a petition would be a bad idea as I would be too emotionally involved to think clearly. Emotive like using words "crazed dogs"
This petition was started by the father of Jade Anderson, who was killed in a ferocious dog attack last week. It doesn't seem to have many signatures. I just thought I'd post it here, in case anyone would like to lend their support.
a petition should also be put in place, so dog owners are allowed a minimum of one dog, who in their right mind has 5 dogs in a house..
not all dogs are vicious it's the way they are brought up/ trained, i was the owner of a staff friendliest dog ever!
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If one life could be saved by introducing a new law I'd sign but this situation and those like it can't be saved by the law. they can only be saved by teaching people how to work and live with dogs. I am convinced that Dogs are just wolves in another guise. whan thay live in our homes we need to be aware that they can still act as wolves act. we need to learn that people who enter our homes (when dogs are present) are intruders into their territory and even people who live with them can be attacked if they don't live by the 'Pack Law'. We have to be masters (top dog) or we run the risk of being attacked in our home, or when we visit at a house where a dog lives. the law won't change the number of deaths and injuries caused by dogs. but learning how to live with them might.
Muzzling in public wouldn't have made any difference in this case. Perhaps soft muzzles should be encouraged when a dog isn't feeding.
Pack theory is really quite outdated now and can do more harm than good. Dogs that have been handled roughly are IMO more likely to be mistrustful and bite.
The key is choosing a suitable dog, or number of dogs, for you lifestyle, going to a good breeder, early and ongoing socialisation, good diet and COMMON SENSE!!
Not in this case, no. But as a principle, I felt it was worth propounding. There have been instances of people being attacked on the streets, and dogs killing cats. Muzzled, they'd not be nearly as dangerous.
yes I would and what is wrong with that comment? Scared of words you are not familiar with? :rolleyes:
The people in that house knew that girl - not everyone is so corrupt that they would accuse her of being a robber ffs
I SERIOUSLY doubt it was a case of her hanging on to a pie and fighting the dogs
They smelled something, went on the attack and she did not stand a chance - sickening
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2012/aug/09/dog-bite-hospital-admissions-rise
The most recent figures, for the year ending April 2012, showed a total of 6,450 admissions for dog bites or strikes, an increase of 5.2% on the previous year. Of those 1,040 were of under-10s, with nearly half (494 admissions) requiring plastic surgery, and 27% (278 admissions) resulting in oral or facial surgery.
Not a best guess :rolleyes:
However I wish there were far more rigorous and stringent measures against the breeding of all dogs, but particularly the so called Chav breeds.
The circumstances these dogs were living in looked very inadequate. There is no doubt many dogs are bred and sold by very unscrupulous people to equally unscrupulous purchasers.
Not really an honest answer to the question either. :rolleyes:
what do you mean? You talking about my answer? Where is the dishonesty?
Lordy, where to start?
It doesn't attempt to consider stuff like size of population, number of children, number of dogs, type of injuries, seriousness of injuries etc.
My niece had "plastic surgery" after a dog-bite.
The actual incident consisted of her holding a dog-toy in her mouth and getting bit on her lip when the dog attempted to get the toy off her.
And her injury required an overnight stay in hospital too, cos she was so freaked-out by the idea of a stitch in her lip that anaesthetic was required.
Did I say she was 'fighting the dogs'? NO I didn't.
You can tell when a dog is about to attack and just wondered why she didn't get rid of the pie? It would have taken the focus off of her.
You're right, presumably if there had been a single death the article would have mentioned it. Seems I overpredicted it.
My worst animal related injury was from a cat. On a number of occasions actually. I would much rather the Dobermann off a lead then the 10 cats.
And I do actually own a cat myself.
I won't sign it. It's ill thought out and because it was made in the heat of grief where you can't always think rationally. I see tons of potential for issues with it.
Possibly but in that emotional state making a petition would be a bad idea as I would be too emotionally involved to think clearly. Emotive like using words "crazed dogs"
a petition should also be put in place, so dog owners are allowed a minimum of one dog, who in their right mind has 5 dogs in a house..
not all dogs are vicious it's the way they are brought up/ trained, i was the owner of a staff friendliest dog ever!
I hear this a lot and don't doubt it but the thing is, only you knew that!
not only me, friends, family people i came across.. not difficult realy when he was
fair point though, unless you have owned a staff you would know what i am talking about
Oh dear god! Probably the most wrong post i have ever seen on here!!
You cannot always tell when a dog is about to attack!!!