It worries me that some people think a kid stabbing 30 classmates is "just kids being kids".
It isn't.
The length of the needle is also pretty much irrelevant other than in dictating the likely extent of injuries incurred.
As for police involvement, well I'm not sure, it seems like something that at 11 could possibly be sorted out in a different way. But I mean were he 15 and doing that sort of thing it could be viewed very differently and almost certainly involve the police.
I hate to say it but it feels to me that without any corporal punishment incidents like this are very hard for schools to manage effectively.
I think you are missing the point. It's the random
needler who is making them all share blood. And even last century TCP couldn't help ameliorate the risks of doing that so most kids being bright enough and educated enough to know sharing blood is risky is a good thing
I think you're somewhat missing the point also ...
... Diabetes test pin? I suppose they can't use a pair of compasses to accomplish the same task like we used to.
I was remembering the past (30+ years ago) when it was unlikely that school children serially slept around or share needles and the most likely used drugs were alcohol and nicotine.
I was under the impression that the likes of blades, knives and compasses had been banned from schools for years anyway.
I think social services may have been more use to the boy than the police in this situation. It's not really in the realms of 'normal' behaviour is it?
I think social services may have been more use to the boy than the police in this situation. It's not really in the realms of 'normal' behaviour is it?
Kids do daft things some times.If I were the parent of a stabbe though, I'd be irritated too, not enough to call the police but enough to have my child checked over.
ION: I was having lunch in the park on Tuesday, and I watched as a group of lads , probably 13 years old or thereabouts, were getting one lad to kneel with his back to group, keep his legs apart whilst each of the other lads kicked a football at his bum from close range,sensibly the kneeling boy kept a firm grip of his genitals...
I didn't call the police, but they arrived anyway, some one must have complained.
I think social services may have been more use to the boy than the police in this situation. It's not really in the realms of 'normal' behaviour is it?
It is odd behaviour, I can that jabbing your mate with a needle or a pair of compasses, as a joke between friends but to stab 20 other kids just seems weird.
As for the trick ring, no I don't believe I ever saw one of those. Can you still legally get them now?
Probably been banned by Elf'n safety, along with rings which gave a shock, itching powder, sneezing powder, squirty flowers, what a dull world todays kids live in. However Injuries 4 U lawyers are probably queuing up at the school gates rubbing their hands.
Why not? Jabbing one kid for 'fun' is one thing, but twenty? That's a kid that needs some strange idea(s) inside his head nipped in the bud before he graduates onto something a bit bigger than a diabetes pen thingy.
When I was at school there was a brief fad where some kids would go around sticking pins up other kids arses.
It was treated as a laugh by everyone, the pupils I mean. It was a case of hoping you didn't get a pin up your arse that day for a while.
It's wrong, but it was a joke.
Obviously it was dealt with when the teachers caught wind of it. I think they found out when a teacher sat on a pin that some kid put on their chair.
But it was dealt with quite easily and promptly nipped in the bud. There was no need for the police to be brought in.
It worries me that some people think a kid stabbing 30 classmates is "just kids being kids".
It isn't.
The length of the needle is also pretty much irrelevant other than in dictating the likely extent of injuries incurred.
As for police involvement, well I'm not sure, it seems like something that at 11 could possibly be sorted out in a different way. But I mean were he 15 and doing that sort of thing it could be viewed very differently and almost certainly involve the police.
I hate to say it but it feels to me that without any corporal punishment incidents like this are very hard for schools to manage effectively.
But it is.
It happened for a brief period at my school where it wasn't even just one kid. It might have been about five or even more. In their minds and everyone else's they were just doing it for a prank.
Kids do do things like this. It doesn't make it right, but they do.
When I was at school there was a brief fad where some kids would go around sticking pins up other kids arses.
It was treated as a laugh by everyone, the pupils I mean. It was a case of hoping you didn't get a pin up your arse that day for a while.
It's wrong, but it was a joke.
Obviously it was dealt with when the teachers caught wind of it. I think they found out when a teacher sat on a pin that some kid put on their chair.
But it was dealt with quite easily and promptly nipped in the bud. There was no need for the police to be brought in.
But as I, and others have, alluded to further to that post (of mine), that sounds like everyone was aware of and 'in' on the 'joke'. Was it maybe even a 'rite-of-passage' thing? That, whilst not pleasant, sounds a lot less sinister than one kid bringing a medical instrument from home and repeatedly jabbing twenty to thirty kids with it that were totally not expecting it. Like I said, I can see why you might do it once and when your victim screams you might go 'Oh shit, sorry mate, I didn't know it would hurt so much', but to do it another twenty-odd times when you know it's painful? That, to me, suggests something that shouldn't be dismissed as a simple childish prank. Maybe arresting him was OTT, but I don't know the 'official' procedures that need to be followed if the police get involved, and it's not as the school can really do anything that would scare him. Who cares about being suspended or even expelled when you're eleven?
No, they are not qualified to decide if a crime has taken place nor can they make that decision on behalf of the pupils who were affected by this.
It is for the police to decide in conjunction with the pupils parents, after taking all evidence into account.
A crime? Seriously? I think people are acting way over the top about this. Kids have done this sort of thing for, um, ever. Not me, I hasten to add, but I have been pricked, more than once during my school years, and worse. I suspect he thought it was a huge joke, nothing more sinister about it at all.
Well that's how things have changed over the last 30+ years.
Kids going around stabbing each other with pins, or compasses, would have been considered naughty and the teachers would simply have put a stop to it. Perhaps they would have made an example of one or two of the ringleaders in the process.
Now it's probably not even about the needle but what disease MIGHT be on the needle, or at least transferred by it. Either that or they would simply be using a real knife to do the stabbing.
If someone spat at you 30 years ago you just wiped it off and thought no more about it.
If someone spits at you now it's probably treated as assault and you will possibly have to undergo medical tests just to see whether the person has passed on an infection or not.
A crime? Seriously? I think people are acting way over the top about this. Kids have done this sort of thing for, um, ever. Not me, I hasten to add, but I have been pricked, more than once during my school years, and worse. I suspect he thought it was a huge joke, nothing more sinister about it at all.
Yeah, seriously. Can you estimate how many times you were pricked by a syringe/medical device that delivers drugs into the body by your fellow pupils?
We know now exactly what the 'pin' was and what it contained. We know the kids that were jabbed haven't been injected with anything toxic or something that could be infectious.
We know this because the incident was investigated by the police so they can find this stuff out and decide if a crime had been commited or not.
Even back in the 'good old days' a kid jabbing loads of other kids with what could be a syringe WOULD be taken seriously.
Yeah, seriously. Can you estimate how many times you were pricked by a syringe/medical device that delivers drugs into the body by your fellow pupils?
We know now exactly what the 'pin' was and what it contained. We know the kids that were jabbed haven't been injected with anything toxic or something that could be infectious.
We know this because the incident was investigated by the police so they can find this stuff out and decide if a crime had been commited or not.
Even back in the 'good old days' a kid jabbing loads of other kids with what could be a syringe WOULD be taken seriously.
It wasn't a syringe. It was a lancet (needle to prick the skin, used by diabetics). It does not deliver drugs in to your body. This could have been solved by a discussion between parent(s) and teacher.
I was pricked by a dirty old compass point. Shock, horror. I don't recall even actually telling my parents, or my teacher.
It wasn't a syringe. It was a lancet (needle to prick the skin, used by diabetics). It does not deliver drugs in to your body. This could have been solved by a discussion between parent(s) and teacher.
I was pricked by a dirty old compass point. Shock, horror. I don't recall even actually telling my parents, or my teacher.
And did the person who pricked you with a compass point also do the same at least 20 others in the same manner?
And did the person who pricked you with a compass point also do the same at least 20 others in the same manner?
I don't know about this poster, but I know that at our school we went round pricking anybody in reach and trying to avoid them doing it to you. Ah happy days.:D
It wasn't a syringe. It was a lancet (needle to prick the skin, used by diabetics). It does not deliver drugs in to your body. This could have been solved by a discussion between parent(s) and teacher.
I was pricked by a dirty old compass point. Shock, horror. I don't recall even actually telling my parents, or my teacher.
I stand corrected, but the point still stands IMO. There's no way of knowing if the needle was contaminated with something that can cause harm. Once kids need to be checked by doctors then IMO it does need to be investigated thoroughly.
I don't know about this poster, but I know that at our school we went round pricking anybody in reach and trying to avoid them doing it to you. Ah happy days.:D
We didn't. Well I didn't and I certainly didn't know anyone who brought something into school for the specific purpose of pricking others.
I stand corrected, but the point still stands IMO. There's no way of knowing if the needle was contaminated with something that can cause harm. Once kids need to be checked by doctors then IMO it does need to be investigated thoroughly.
That's absolutely fine. We just agree to disagree. No problem.
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It isn't.
The length of the needle is also pretty much irrelevant other than in dictating the likely extent of injuries incurred.
As for police involvement, well I'm not sure, it seems like something that at 11 could possibly be sorted out in a different way. But I mean were he 15 and doing that sort of thing it could be viewed very differently and almost certainly involve the police.
I hate to say it but it feels to me that without any corporal punishment incidents like this are very hard for schools to manage effectively.
I think you're somewhat missing the point also ...
I was remembering the past (30+ years ago) when it was unlikely that school children serially slept around or share needles and the most likely used drugs were alcohol and nicotine.
I was under the impression that the likes of blades, knives and compasses had been banned from schools for years anyway.
The police would have involved social services
ION: I was having lunch in the park on Tuesday, and I watched as a group of lads , probably 13 years old or thereabouts, were getting one lad to kneel with his back to group, keep his legs apart whilst each of the other lads kicked a football at his bum from close range,sensibly the kneeling boy kept a firm grip of his genitals...
I didn't call the police, but they arrived anyway, some one must have complained.
Probably been banned by Elf'n safety, along with rings which gave a shock, itching powder, sneezing powder, squirty flowers, what a dull world todays kids live in. However Injuries 4 U lawyers are probably queuing up at the school gates rubbing their hands.
Was the teacher having a nap??
I was a kid, but NEVER did anything like that boy has done!
When I was at school there was a brief fad where some kids would go around sticking pins up other kids arses.
It was treated as a laugh by everyone, the pupils I mean. It was a case of hoping you didn't get a pin up your arse that day for a while.
It's wrong, but it was a joke.
Obviously it was dealt with when the teachers caught wind of it. I think they found out when a teacher sat on a pin that some kid put on their chair.
But it was dealt with quite easily and promptly nipped in the bud. There was no need for the police to be brought in.
No, but perfectly capable of transmitting various infections. Some of which can be serious!
But it is.
It happened for a brief period at my school where it wasn't even just one kid. It might have been about five or even more. In their minds and everyone else's they were just doing it for a prank.
Kids do do things like this. It doesn't make it right, but they do.
A crime? Seriously? I think people are acting way over the top about this. Kids have done this sort of thing for, um, ever. Not me, I hasten to add, but I have been pricked, more than once during my school years, and worse. I suspect he thought it was a huge joke, nothing more sinister about it at all.
YAY!
We aren't talking about a 5 or 6 year old hitting one person out of temper or frustration, but if you think that's the same thing then carry on.
Well that's how things have changed over the last 30+ years.
Kids going around stabbing each other with pins, or compasses, would have been considered naughty and the teachers would simply have put a stop to it. Perhaps they would have made an example of one or two of the ringleaders in the process.
Now it's probably not even about the needle but what disease MIGHT be on the needle, or at least transferred by it. Either that or they would simply be using a real knife to do the stabbing.
If someone spat at you 30 years ago you just wiped it off and thought no more about it.
If someone spits at you now it's probably treated as assault and you will possibly have to undergo medical tests just to see whether the person has passed on an infection or not.
Yeah, seriously. Can you estimate how many times you were pricked by a syringe/medical device that delivers drugs into the body by your fellow pupils?
We know now exactly what the 'pin' was and what it contained. We know the kids that were jabbed haven't been injected with anything toxic or something that could be infectious.
We know this because the incident was investigated by the police so they can find this stuff out and decide if a crime had been commited or not.
Even back in the 'good old days' a kid jabbing loads of other kids with what could be a syringe WOULD be taken seriously.
It wasn't a syringe. It was a lancet (needle to prick the skin, used by diabetics). It does not deliver drugs in to your body. This could have been solved by a discussion between parent(s) and teacher.
I was pricked by a dirty old compass point. Shock, horror. I don't recall even actually telling my parents, or my teacher.
And did the person who pricked you with a compass point also do the same at least 20 others in the same manner?
I don't know about this poster, but I know that at our school we went round pricking anybody in reach and trying to avoid them doing it to you. Ah happy days.:D
Did you even read the article? what this child did, can't be compared to that
I stand corrected, but the point still stands IMO. There's no way of knowing if the needle was contaminated with something that can cause harm. Once kids need to be checked by doctors then IMO it does need to be investigated thoroughly.
We didn't. Well I didn't and I certainly didn't know anyone who brought something into school for the specific purpose of pricking others.