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NHS Tourists will have to show passports to get treatment

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3036152/Show-passport-use-NHS-Clampdown-stop-migrants-tourists-abusing-Health-Service-costs-2bn-year.html

About time too! That woman who came here and had the 5 babies is just taking the p**s and we are stupid enough to let her!

I know people who've been abroad on holiday and without showing their insurance or EHIC Card, they get no medical treatment at all.
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    Ethel_FredEthel_Fred Posts: 34,127
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    Presumably British people will have to show their passports as well.
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    Deep PurpleDeep Purple Posts: 63,255
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    Ethel_Fred wrote: »
    Presumably British people will have to show their passports as well.

    The vast majority will have NHS numbers, and be on the system anyway.
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    noise747noise747 Posts: 30,857
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    Hotgossip wrote: »
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3036152/Show-passport-use-NHS-Clampdown-stop-migrants-tourists-abusing-Health-Service-costs-2bn-year.html

    About time too! That woman who came here and had the 5 babies is just taking the p**s and we are stupid enough to let her!

    I know people who've been abroad on holiday and without showing their insurance or EHIC Card, they get no medical treatment at all.

    Yep, about time
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    Ethel_FredEthel_Fred Posts: 34,127
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    The vast majority will have NHS numbers, and be on the system anyway.

    How do you link that number to a person without a passport?
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    TassiumTassium Posts: 31,639
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    To all those who don't think things through, what this would mean is everyone having to carry some form of ID.

    You can be sure they'll be a database behind it.

    So, it's Labour's so-called ID Card Database come back to haunt us. Maybe not straight away, they do these things in stages.
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    MC_SatanMC_Satan Posts: 26,512
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    It's not a case of having to lug a passport about with you. It's only required when you first register for your nhs number. It wouldn't be required every time.
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    Ethel_FredEthel_Fred Posts: 34,127
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    MC_Satan wrote: »
    It's not a case of having to lug a passport about with you. It's only required when you first register for your nhs number. It wouldn't be required every time.
    How does it prove that the person who registered is the person who is getting the treatment?
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    MC_SatanMC_Satan Posts: 26,512
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    Ethel_Fred wrote: »
    How does it prove that the person who registered is the person who is getting the treatment?

    No idea, it's what the article states though. Pretty risky to use someone else's id to get healthcare, given their medical histories are likely to be different.
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    MC_SatanMC_Satan Posts: 26,512
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    Primary Care (GP's) and A&E remain free.
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    R82n8R82n8 Posts: 3,656
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    That sounds sensible. :blush:

    We can patch up the wounded ISIS fanatics with a British passport who don't face any repercussions and are returned back to their community. Then let them go back after the Bastard West welcomed them home, probably with a few hundred quid worth of Kaffir "unable to work because of discrimination cash!"
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    Deep PurpleDeep Purple Posts: 63,255
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    Ethel_Fred wrote: »
    How do you link that number to a person without a passport?

    How have we managed so far?

    I'm sure there will be other requirements to check stuff, other than just producing a passport.
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    Ethel_FredEthel_Fred Posts: 34,127
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    MC_Satan wrote: »
    No idea, it's what the article states though. Pretty risky to use someone else's id to get healthcare, given their medical histories are likely to be different.

    If you are willing to fly thousands of miles I would suspect a little thing like medical history isn't going to stop you.



    But how long is it before a British citizen is denied healthcare because they can't be found on the system?

    I'd also point out that this proposal applies to British citizens who aren't resident in the UK which makes it even more difficult to prove who isn't entitled to free treatment
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    Ethel_FredEthel_Fred Posts: 34,127
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    How have we managed so far?

    I'm sure there will be other requirements to check stuff, other than just producing a passport.

    If we believe the claims then we haven't.
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    valkayvalkay Posts: 15,726
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    MC_Satan wrote: »
    Primary Care (GP's) and A&E remain free.

    They're not free, we British Taxpayers pay for it, why should foreigners who contribute nothing be able to come here and have free treatment., they should have travel insurance, you try getting treatment in America without insurance or a credit card.
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    noise747noise747 Posts: 30,857
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    Ethel_Fred wrote: »
    If you are willing to fly thousands of miles I would suspect a little thing like medical history isn't going to stop you.



    But how long is it before a British citizen is denied healthcare because they can't be found on the system?

    I'd also point out that this proposal applies to British citizens who aren't resident in the UK which makes it even more difficult to prove who isn't entitled to free treatment

    So do we just carry on giving every Tom, Dick and Harry who come into the country free medical care then? It have to be stopped, we are spending far too much money on people from other countries than our own. That also includes Aid as well, far too much on that.
    Time to keep our money in our country.
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    MC_SatanMC_Satan Posts: 26,512
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    valkay wrote: »
    They're not free, we British Taxpayers pay for it, why should foreigners who contribute nothing be able to come here and have free treatment., they should have travel insurance, you try getting treatment in America without insurance or a credit card.
    I am well aware of that. People will not be charged for using them under this scheme, I wasn't making any judgement on the correctness of it.
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    jrajra Posts: 48,325
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    No valid British passport, no free medical treatment. Simple as that.
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    MC_SatanMC_Satan Posts: 26,512
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    jra wrote: »
    No valid British passport, no free medical treatment. Simple as that.

    What about indigenous residents who have not got a passport? Or driving licence etc?
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    jrajra Posts: 48,325
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    MC_Satan wrote: »
    What about indigenous residents who have not got a passport? Or driving licence etc?

    Well get one or the other. You're going to need it as a form of identification at some stage anyway.
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    Ethel_FredEthel_Fred Posts: 34,127
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    noise747 wrote: »
    So do we just carry on giving every Tom, Dick and Harry who come into the country free medical care then? It have to be stopped, we are spending far too much money on people from other countries than our own. That also includes Aid as well, far too much on that.
    Time to keep our money in our country.

    Just pointing out the several flaws in the proposal even if you ignore the simple fact that we aren't giving free treatment to every Tom Dick & Harry who comes into the country. The £2bn figure was rubbished when the government made the claim in the first place - a more accurate figure would be £200m once you remove A&E & non UK folk who are entitled to free healthcare due to residency, working and paying tax with a large part of that being UK passport holders illegally claiming free healthcare
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    MC_SatanMC_Satan Posts: 26,512
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    jra wrote: »
    Well get one or the other. You're going to need it as a form of identification at some stage anyway.

    A lot of people don't drive. A lot of people don't get a passport unless they are planning on going abroad.
    Anyway, surely an NI number would do instead?
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    Ethel_FredEthel_Fred Posts: 34,127
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    jra wrote: »
    Well get one or the other. You're going to need it as a form of identification at some stage anyway.

    We could all have ID cards. Let's spend hundreds of billions to save a few quid
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    Crawley CutieCrawley Cutie Posts: 10,948
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    MC_Satan wrote: »
    It's not a case of having to lug a passport about with you. It's only required when you first register for your nhs number. It wouldn't be required every time.



    In Spain, those who are entitled to state healthcare, are required to take their health card to every appointment. No card = No treatment !!

    The categories entitled are those resident foreigners who pay into the Spanish system - or, British resident pensioners receiving a UK state pension - reciprocal agreement.

    EU holidaymakers are covered by the EHIC for emergency state medical treatment - their personal Insurance for private treatment.

    Other resident foreigners have to purchase private healthcare....

    The UK is very free & easy with their taxpayer's money....
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    MC_SatanMC_Satan Posts: 26,512
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    In Spain, those who are entitled to state healthcare, are required to take their health card to every appointment. No card = No treatment !!

    The categories entitled are those foreigners who pay into the Spanish system - or, British pensioners receiving a UK state pension - reciprocal agreement.

    EU holidaymakers are covered by the EHIC for emergency state medical treatment - their personal Insurance for private treatment.

    Other resident foreigners have to purchase private healthcare....

    The UK is very free & easy with their taxpayer's money....

    That's as maybe but it's not what this policy does.
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    Ethel_FredEthel_Fred Posts: 34,127
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    jra wrote: »
    Well get one or the other. You're going to need it as a form of identification at some stage anyway.

    We could all have ID cards. Let's spend hundreds of billions to save a few quid
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