I'm not sure how much goes to the govt from the MOT and repairs, or indeed insurance.
But the real thing is here that it 'seems to [you]'... indeed, as a driver, it seems an awful lot to me, too. But without having any transparency over what everything costs and where this money actually goes, we just don't know. I'd like to see LBC etc get into the detail of this rather more before shouting some guest down on what 'seems' to be the case.
I'm reluctant to answer your post as I think it may be OT but it is transparent where all this money goes. the government make the MOT testers meet their rules, and it's expensive, but any profit goes to the testers. Insurers are independent so any profit after losses is theirs. Tax on fuel goes to the government. Congestion charges do too. As does car tax. Parking fines go to local councils who are supposed to re-invest the money in road use.
I run a small private hire business and am licenced by the PCO, which is controlled by TFL. I have to have each car MOT'd twice a year, each car licenced once a year, each driver licenced every three years. My premises is licenced every three years too. The cost of all this goes into the PCO coffers to pay for themselves. It runs into thousands per year but is the price I pay for being so-called 'legal'. The 'illegal' trade just carries on and takes it's chance.
I'm reluctant to answer your post as I think it may be OT but it is transparent where all this money goes. the government make the MOT testers meet their rules, and it's expensive, but any profit goes to the testers. Insurers are independent so any profit after losses is theirs. Tax on fuel goes to the government. Congestion charges do too. As does car tax. Parking fines go to local councils who are supposed to re-invest the money in road use.
I run a small private hire business and am licenced by the PCO, which is controlled by TFL. I have to have each car MOT'd twice a year, each car licenced once a year, each driver licenced every three years. My premises is licenced every three years too. The cost of all this goes into the PCO coffers to pay for themselves. It runs into thousands per year but is the price I pay for being so-called 'legal'. The 'illegal' trade just carries on and takes it's chance.
As a black cab driver of twenty nine years i get so mad listening to the nonsense of Jenny Jones.She is blind to the everyday Londoner and the problems we all face.
As she is clearly anti motorist i enjoyed listening to her as some votes she might have gained might have been lost when she actually thinks another charge should be put on the motorist.
I think most LBC presenters treat her as a mad Aunty and know it's too easy to ridicule her.I have no time for her views,i take it she is paid well as a member of the GLA:mad:
I'm reluctant to answer your post as I think it may be OT but it is transparent where all this money goes. the government make the MOT testers meet their rules, and it's expensive, but any profit goes to the testers. Insurers are independent so any profit after losses is theirs. Tax on fuel goes to the government. Congestion charges do too. As does car tax. Parking fines go to local councils who are supposed to re-invest the money in road use.
I'm glad you did, though... and isn't this the problem with this thread and the recent comments on OT discussions? Personally, I don't think it would be OT to continue this for at least one or two more comments - it's an issue raised on LBC this morning and these clarifications have come up because there was a feeling that maybe the LBC interview hadn't given as full a picture as it could have done.
My point is that we very rarely get proper stats or figures, so at the end of the day, comments made on LBC (or indeed here) are often about gut feelings. I'd really like LBC, as a supposed news station, to delve into the facts so that discussions can be better informed and less about tabloid-style blood-letting.
Frankly, I have no clue whether on balance the comment that motorists give more than they get are true or not, but that also depends on whether you only measure thing in financial terms, etc etc etc. What I don't like is a presenter going from zero to angry in the space of a few seconds, when they're not actually backing up their assumptions with any substance.
My point is that we very rarely get proper stats or figures, so at the end of the day, comments made on LBC (or indeed here) are often about gut feelings. I'd really like LBC, as a supposed news station, to delve into the facts so that discussions can be better informed and less about tabloid-style blood-letting.
The media caters for a population with ever decreasing attention spans. The main complaint on here about J O'B is that he does a lengthy intro to his topics. An analysis of motoring costs would have most listeners reaching for the off switch.
The media caters for a population with ever decreasing attention spans. The main complaint on here about J O'B is that he does a lengthy intro to his topics. An analysis of motoring costs would have most listeners reaching for the off switch.
I think you're absolutely right about this catering to the lower denominators. I guess I'm just saying that I think it's such a great shame. We end up with the tabloidisation of LBC, which leads to poor reporting etc etc. It also leads to very angry radio, I feel, which is quite tiring to listen to and which gives a rather false impression of the world.
I reckon that the fact Radio 4 has such a big audience means that LBC doesn't HAVE to take this approach to get an audience, but that it chooses to. And again, I think that's a real shame. There is an audience out there for intelligent debate and that has an attention span greater than that of a gnat.
Anyway, it's probably too late for LBC now, at least for some time to come, but I can always hope... I just really, really don't want to see LBC become a kind of Fox News or audio version of The Sun. Never let the facts get in the way of a good story, etc etc!
Maybe Murdoch will open a radio station to rival LBC?..Cue NF leaving asap to work for his long lost boss,with Kelvin McKenzie!..Anyone remember how KM use to shout on his ill fated show?:mad:
I think you're absolutely right about this catering to the lower denominators. I guess I'm just saying that I think it's such a great shame. We end up with the tabloidisation of LBC, which leads to poor reporting etc etc. It also leads to very angry radio, I feel, which is quite tiring to listen to and which gives a rather false impression of the world.
I reckon that the fact Radio 4 has such a big audience means that LBC doesn't HAVE to take this approach to get an audience, but that it chooses to. And again, I think that's a real shame. There is an audience out there for intelligent debate and that has an attention span greater than that of a gnat.
Anyway, it's probably too late for LBC now, at least for some time to come, but I can always hope... I just really, really don't want to see LBC become a kind of Fox News or audio version of The Sun. Never let the facts get in the way of a good story, etc etc!
Coincidentally, I was thinking exactly along these lines today. It seems to me, though, that it's patently obvious that LBC does not want to be like BBC Radio 4.
Personally, I would be happy if it were to at least move in that direction, as a fair number of presentations seem incredibly dumbed-down.
Ian Payne on Scores today, not knowing how many sides a hexagon or a pentagon has.
Cristo the other night talking about the Falkland Islands situation with obviously not a clue as to their history. One 80 year old woman who phoned in had a background of three generations living on the island. I thought she was a Godsend to the programme and to the topic. Cristo was obviously totally uninterested in what she had to say and seemed to be reading other things on his screen while she was talking. Very strange.
Surely the presenters could at the very least do a bit of homework, even if it's to browse Wikipedia, before presenting a topic? And I agree, makeba, opinions without the backing of facts and figures can be, and often are, pretty meaningless.
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Thanks to everyone who downloaded the old book for free. It is not necessary to buy the new one but if you do, I promise to love you long time."
Yah Twinks.....me too - that was an offer I couldn't refuse.
p.s. I tend to get ignored a lot on this thread, possibly because I'm not part of 'the gang' - but that's OK. I'm a big lad (unlike the original Charlie Drake )
A very good evening to you Charlie & to all the LBC family.
I now look forward to waking up around 3am on a weekend.
Just to hear NM's voice, I am reminded to press the button marked TS.
That Matt Forde chap is actually entertaining. I didn't go back to sleep for over an hour last night.
The big downside is I re awoke at 6.30 am. Fishing??
FGS! Petrie still ranting on about fuel prices! It's Sunday morning; lighten up. Come back the Max.
Morning all.
Morning G-S and all.
She's now talking about parents being fined for taking their kids out of school for holidays etc.
The question is, how many times will she say 'My boy'?
Once, so far - I knew she couldn't resist it!
Morning G-S and all.
She's now talking about parents being fined for taking their kids out of school for holidays etc.
The question is, how many times will she say 'My boy'?
Once, so far - I knew she couldn't resist it!
Well, I guess it's no bad thing if a presenter can bring their personal experience to a discussion. I just wish she'd stop shouting. I usually enjoy her show but it's too early to cope with all that anger.
I naturally presume a certain level of intelligence in the presenters, but maybe I should think again! That's not good, is it?
From my perspective as a non-football follower there is no need for a sports commentator to have a broader level of knowledge. This is the very reason why poor Ian Payne was so painfully out of his depth when called upon to fill in the weekday afternoon slot.
Both James Whale and Nick Ferrari have on occasion exhibited glaring areas of blind lack of knowledge in the topics they tackle. Possibly assuming that ignorance can be covered by bulldozing.
Strangely, although I disagree with her on pretty much everything, it appears to me that Julia Hartley Brewer does at least put in some research before opening her mouth and appears comfortable accepting information from callers.
However smug it may make him appear, James O'Brien at least has the facts in his head when he talks.
Am I the only one who finds LBC current advertisning for Pay-Day Loans offensive ?
I understand they are legal, bit IMO they are immoral.
Yes, I listened this morning, and in the Terms & Conditions bit which they gabble at the end, it seems the APR is 278% :eek:
Back-to-back with that advert, however - if you buy a Vauxhall, APR is 0% :cool:
Yes, I listened this morning, and in the Terms & Conditions bit which they gabble at the end, it seems the APR is 278% :eek:
Back-to-back with that advert, however - if you buy a Vauxhall, APR is 0% :cool:
So you buy a car, pay for it with a PayDay loan, and immediately flog the car hopefully at a profit to pay off the loan. Nah! Thinking about it, you get nothing !!!
From my perspective as a non-football follower there is no need for a sports commentator to have a broader level of knowledge. This is the very reason why poor Ian Payne was so painfully out of his depth when called upon to fill in the weekday afternoon slot.
Very true. He does have a very good speaking voice, though. With football pundits, I'm often amazed at their knowledge of the history and ever-changing situation - locally, nationally and internationally of that two-footed world. Ian included. It sometimes seems to be at the detriment of general knowledge, though!
Having said that, I don't expect any of the presenters to be Mastermind material, but with the basic stuff it is sometimes quite shocking and, as Clitheroe might say, almost makes me choke on my porridge!
Very true. He does have a very good speaking voice, though. With football pundits, I'm often amazed at their knowledge of the history and ever-changing situation - locally, nationally and internationally of that two-footed world. Ian included. It sometimes seems to be at the detriment of general knowledge, though!
Having said that, I don't expect any of the presenters to be Mastermind material, but with the basic stuff it is sometimes quite shocking and, as Clitheroe might say, almost makes me choke on my porridge!
Ah well, Pythagorus probably didn't know much about football!
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I'm reluctant to answer your post as I think it may be OT but it is transparent where all this money goes. the government make the MOT testers meet their rules, and it's expensive, but any profit goes to the testers. Insurers are independent so any profit after losses is theirs. Tax on fuel goes to the government. Congestion charges do too. As does car tax. Parking fines go to local councils who are supposed to re-invest the money in road use.
I run a small private hire business and am licenced by the PCO, which is controlled by TFL. I have to have each car MOT'd twice a year, each car licenced once a year, each driver licenced every three years. My premises is licenced every three years too. The cost of all this goes into the PCO coffers to pay for themselves. It runs into thousands per year but is the price I pay for being so-called 'legal'. The 'illegal' trade just carries on and takes it's chance.
As a black cab driver of twenty nine years i get so mad listening to the nonsense of Jenny Jones.She is blind to the everyday Londoner and the problems we all face.
As she is clearly anti motorist i enjoyed listening to her as some votes she might have gained might have been lost when she actually thinks another charge should be put on the motorist.
I think most LBC presenters treat her as a mad Aunty and know it's too easy to ridicule her.I have no time for her views,i take it she is paid well as a member of the GLA:mad:
Tut. You're so picky, Martin. Well, in the case of radio, they should be made to say, very clearly, what the true rate of interest is.
I'm glad you did, though... and isn't this the problem with this thread and the recent comments on OT discussions? Personally, I don't think it would be OT to continue this for at least one or two more comments - it's an issue raised on LBC this morning and these clarifications have come up because there was a feeling that maybe the LBC interview hadn't given as full a picture as it could have done.
My point is that we very rarely get proper stats or figures, so at the end of the day, comments made on LBC (or indeed here) are often about gut feelings. I'd really like LBC, as a supposed news station, to delve into the facts so that discussions can be better informed and less about tabloid-style blood-letting.
Frankly, I have no clue whether on balance the comment that motorists give more than they get are true or not, but that also depends on whether you only measure thing in financial terms, etc etc etc. What I don't like is a presenter going from zero to angry in the space of a few seconds, when they're not actually backing up their assumptions with any substance.
The media caters for a population with ever decreasing attention spans. The main complaint on here about J O'B is that he does a lengthy intro to his topics. An analysis of motoring costs would have most listeners reaching for the off switch.
I think you're absolutely right about this catering to the lower denominators. I guess I'm just saying that I think it's such a great shame. We end up with the tabloidisation of LBC, which leads to poor reporting etc etc. It also leads to very angry radio, I feel, which is quite tiring to listen to and which gives a rather false impression of the world.
I reckon that the fact Radio 4 has such a big audience means that LBC doesn't HAVE to take this approach to get an audience, but that it chooses to. And again, I think that's a real shame. There is an audience out there for intelligent debate and that has an attention span greater than that of a gnat.
Anyway, it's probably too late for LBC now, at least for some time to come, but I can always hope... I just really, really don't want to see LBC become a kind of Fox News or audio version of The Sun. Never let the facts get in the way of a good story, etc etc!
Coincidentally, I was thinking exactly along these lines today. It seems to me, though, that it's patently obvious that LBC does not want to be like BBC Radio 4.
Personally, I would be happy if it were to at least move in that direction, as a fair number of presentations seem incredibly dumbed-down.
Ian Payne on Scores today, not knowing how many sides a hexagon or a pentagon has.
Cristo the other night talking about the Falkland Islands situation with obviously not a clue as to their history. One 80 year old woman who phoned in had a background of three generations living on the island. I thought she was a Godsend to the programme and to the topic. Cristo was obviously totally uninterested in what she had to say and seemed to be reading other things on his screen while she was talking. Very strange.
Surely the presenters could at the very least do a bit of homework, even if it's to browse Wikipedia, before presenting a topic? And I agree, makeba, opinions without the backing of facts and figures can be, and often are, pretty meaningless.
Yah Twinks.....me too
Let's hope he has enough to go around.
A very good evening to you Charlie
Just to hear NM's voice, I am reminded to press the button marked TS.
That Matt Forde chap is actually entertaining. I didn't go back to sleep for over an hour last night.
The big downside is I re awoke at 6.30 am. Fishing??
Wow! :eek:
I naturally presume a certain level of intelligence in the presenters, but maybe I should think again! That's not good, is it?
Morning all.
Morning G-S and all.
She's now talking about parents being fined for taking their kids out of school for holidays etc.
The question is, how many times will she say 'My boy'?
Once, so far - I knew she couldn't resist it!
Well, I guess it's no bad thing if a presenter can bring their personal experience to a discussion. I just wish she'd stop shouting. I usually enjoy her show but it's too early to cope with all that anger.
There was Sun Talk but it didn't last long.
Shame they didn't stick with it a bit longer and try and make it work.
From my perspective as a non-football follower there is no need for a sports commentator to have a broader level of knowledge. This is the very reason why poor Ian Payne was so painfully out of his depth when called upon to fill in the weekday afternoon slot.
Both James Whale and Nick Ferrari have on occasion exhibited glaring areas of blind lack of knowledge in the topics they tackle. Possibly assuming that ignorance can be covered by bulldozing.
Strangely, although I disagree with her on pretty much everything, it appears to me that Julia Hartley Brewer does at least put in some research before opening her mouth and appears comfortable accepting information from callers.
However smug it may make him appear, James O'Brien at least has the facts in his head when he talks.
Didnt that have that dreadful Gaunt fellow on there though?
It was he!
It was an internet-only station. I wonder what the audiences are for such a station, are they commercially viable?
Yes, I listened this morning, and in the Terms & Conditions bit which they gabble at the end, it seems the APR is 278% :eek:
Back-to-back with that advert, however - if you buy a Vauxhall, APR is 0% :cool:
So you buy a car, pay for it with a PayDay loan, and immediately flog the car hopefully at a profit to pay off the loan. Nah! Thinking about it, you get nothing !!!
Very true. He does have a very good speaking voice, though. With football pundits, I'm often amazed at their knowledge of the history and ever-changing situation - locally, nationally and internationally of that two-footed world. Ian included. It sometimes seems to be at the detriment of general knowledge, though!
Having said that, I don't expect any of the presenters to be Mastermind material, but with the basic stuff it is sometimes quite shocking and, as Clitheroe might say, almost makes me choke on my porridge!
Ah well, Pythagorus probably didn't know much about football!