Ash is vile ..... I'm surprised he didn't get a warning as well .... the use of the C word is just so low .... he thinks he is better than the others because he is good looking but he's been trading on his looks for far too long in this series.
Toya lost it but she was up against 3 males .... they know she's got a temper so they milked it.
Marlon makes me feel sick .... strutting round in those bathers which just about cover him is not attractive.
I would dearly love Ash to go .... just so as we can hopefully see another of his hissy fits.
Bear in mind that Toya was the first to lose it.
Nobody was angry before her, so you can't blame her anger on the 3 men.
Nobody was angry before her, so you can't blame her anger on the 3 men.
She wanted a ruck & she got one.
THAT is what she does, continually!! raises her voice, talks over others and dosent listen, tells THEM to calm down when SHE is the one shouting, I want her OUT because I cant take any more of her stupid arguments and her sh1t stirring!!
Oh I totally agree. Toya's absolutely awful, but Ash also is awful and actually brings next to nothing to the show. He is and is arguably worse than the shouty 'calme the f*** down' one. .
Due to the voting demographic and lack of objectivity I would be genuinely amazed if Ash goes over her, I agree. He should be out first chance, but I can't see it.
Well, I can see your's and TT's points - if you'd rather the awful Toya stayed over the awful (in a different way) Ash then fair enough. Personally I find Toya's brand of awfulness more grating.
But, I do take issue with your implication that, but for the 'anti-woman' bias, Ash would go over her - as if the only reason anyone would want Toya out over him is because she's a woman. You've already acknowledged she's a horrible person over two weeks, so why do you find it so difficult to believe that other people might find that reason enough to want her out?
Well, I can see your's and TT's points - if you'd rather the awful Toya stayed over the awful (in a different way) Ash then fair enough. Personally I find Toya's brand of awfulness more grating.
But, I do take issue with your implication that, but for the 'anti-woman' bias, Ash would go over her - as if the only reason anyone would want Toya out over him is because she's a woman. You've already acknowledged she's a horrible person over two weeks, so why do you find it so difficult to believe that other people might find that reason enough to want her out?
For my part I think it's just the awful unfairness and predictability of it all but like I said it's maybe apples and pears with Ash and Toya so possibly doesn't help to prove this point. However, if it was apples and apples it would still be female out first.
Well, I can see your's and TT's points - if you'd rather the awful Toya stayed over the awful (in a different way) Ash then fair enough. Personally I find Toya's brand of awfulness more grating.
But, I do take issue with your implication that, but for the 'anti-woman' bias, Ash would go over her - as if the only reason anyone would want Toya out over him is because she's a woman. You've already acknowledged she's a horrible person over two weeks, so why do you find it so difficult to believe that other people might find that reason enough to want her out?
I don't- I am merely saying year in year out there is a huge bias. Huge. Toya has indeed made a rod for her own back but I still maintain blokes like Ash will have many a forum member/ BB viewer make excuses for them/ have selective memories, whereas certain types of women HM will be punished to the Nth degree if they commit an identical or even much lesser 'crime'. (alas it's rarely identical so like for like comparisons are of course hard)
One could argue that the ignoramus that is Toya is all mouth and little substance whilst Ash's attitude to women is actually indicative of much wider societal problems and so arguably 'worse' to encourage or condone.
Toya's a bad example as she is so much of a nightmare herself I agree.
If Ash was up against the Kimbot, or Ashleigh, that would be a better example of where you would see the slummy mummy/ tween type voters try and magnify anything to do with the woman in a negative light, whilst making excuses for Ash's somewhat more indefensible actions because he's a bloke and moderately attractive to some people.
It is what it is and is so god damn predictable. The 'resistance' is growing though...:cool:
Ash is vile ..... I'm surprised he didn't get a warning as well .... the use of the C word is just so low .... he thinks he is better than the others because he is good looking but he's been trading on his looks for far too long in this series.
Toya lost it but she was up against 3 males .... they know she's got a temper so they milked it.
Marlon makes me feel sick .... strutting round in those bathers which just about cover him is not attractive.
I would dearly love Ash to go .... just so as we can hopefully see another of his hissy fits.
Is there any evidence of this, or are you just saying it because he is good looking?
But it does need putting into context when you've got people banging the drum for Toya and arguing that Ash should go over her for 'vile comments', when Toya's behaviour has been terrible, and much, much worse even than Ash's.
I hope my op didn't say Ash has to go before Toya. I just wanted to point my dislike for Ash.
I hope my op didn't say Ash has to go before Toya. I just wanted to point my dislike for Ash.
I think Ash has to go before Toya . Toya brings drama, tension, and Hilarity! Ash brings ..... Hmm...... Naff all! He's boring, he's Helens sidekick, he spends most conversation discussing sluts and his lack thereof. YAWN!
I'm not living with Toya, I don't give a stuff about her upsetting people in the house. I want OTT I want angst and drama. If I wanted to watch sunbathers I'd go to the beach.
He's so thick that he just couldn't get it that neither Toya nor Matthew nominated him, and even if they hadn't vetoed his nominations, he would still have been up. He was nominated by three other HMs.
Not necessarily ,if they had Veoted 3 different H/MS then Ash,Steven and Winston Could've all escaped being up
Do you really think any of them are friends in there? They are all in it for themselves. Ash is an obnoxious big-headed man. I hope he goes on Friday but I suspect the GBP will vote Toya out because she is the female.
Anyway, it wasn't just Toya it was Stephen do, it was a joint decision.
No the only real friendship i can see is Winston n Marlon although i do believe Mark likes Matt but dont think Matt feels the same same with Danielle and Ashleigh i think Danielle geniunely likes Ashleigh but there is something about Ashleigh i really dont like for someone so young she looks and sounds so bitter n nasty
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Bear in mind that Toya was the first to lose it.
Nobody was angry before her, so you can't blame her anger on the 3 men.
She wanted a ruck & she got one.
THAT is what she does, continually!! raises her voice, talks over others and dosent listen, tells THEM to calm down when SHE is the one shouting, I want her OUT because I cant take any more of her stupid arguments and her sh1t stirring!!
He was also up for eviction last week, it hasn't dawned on him yet that no-one likes him
Well, I can see your's and TT's points - if you'd rather the awful Toya stayed over the awful (in a different way) Ash then fair enough. Personally I find Toya's brand of awfulness more grating.
But, I do take issue with your implication that, but for the 'anti-woman' bias, Ash would go over her - as if the only reason anyone would want Toya out over him is because she's a woman. You've already acknowledged she's a horrible person over two weeks, so why do you find it so difficult to believe that other people might find that reason enough to want her out?
For my part I think it's just the awful unfairness and predictability of it all but like I said it's maybe apples and pears with Ash and Toya so possibly doesn't help to prove this point. However, if it was apples and apples it would still be female out first.
I don't- I am merely saying year in year out there is a huge bias. Huge. Toya has indeed made a rod for her own back but I still maintain blokes like Ash will have many a forum member/ BB viewer make excuses for them/ have selective memories, whereas certain types of women HM will be punished to the Nth degree if they commit an identical or even much lesser 'crime'. (alas it's rarely identical so like for like comparisons are of course hard)
One could argue that the ignoramus that is Toya is all mouth and little substance whilst Ash's attitude to women is actually indicative of much wider societal problems and so arguably 'worse' to encourage or condone.
Toya's a bad example as she is so much of a nightmare herself I agree.
If Ash was up against the Kimbot, or Ashleigh, that would be a better example of where you would see the slummy mummy/ tween type voters try and magnify anything to do with the woman in a negative light, whilst making excuses for Ash's somewhat more indefensible actions because he's a bloke and moderately attractive to some people.
It is what it is and is so god damn predictable. The 'resistance' is growing though...:cool:
Is there any evidence of this, or are you just saying it because he is good looking?
I hope my op didn't say Ash has to go before Toya. I just wanted to point my dislike for Ash.
I think Ash has to go before Toya . Toya brings drama, tension, and Hilarity! Ash brings ..... Hmm...... Naff all! He's boring, he's Helens sidekick, he spends most conversation discussing sluts and his lack thereof. YAWN!
I'm not living with Toya, I don't give a stuff about her upsetting people in the house. I want OTT I want angst and drama. If I wanted to watch sunbathers I'd go to the beach.
Not necessarily ,if they had Veoted 3 different H/MS then Ash,Steven and Winston Could've all escaped being up
No the only real friendship i can see is Winston n Marlon although i do believe Mark likes Matt but dont think Matt feels the same same with Danielle and Ashleigh i think Danielle geniunely likes Ashleigh but there is something about Ashleigh i really dont like for someone so young she looks and sounds so bitter n nasty
That was so unbelievably arrogant!
arrogance is one his middle names, the others are "boring" and "****":cool: