QUOTE=Cantona07;71368865]**** off with your logic and common sense Jo!!!
Sorry!! The bloody link will only post above your quote. MEN shitstirring about Buttner posting a pic on the beach. Yep leathering down the vodka cocktails in that Muslim place in public with strict alcohol laws.[/QUOTE]
TBH honest i wouldn't be surprised with Buttner, being caught out horribly out of position and in big trouble isn't new to him…….:D
In reality they could be shagging on the beach for all i care if they manage to galvanise the team and come back with some sort of sense of what needs to be done for the rest of the season. The fuss over this trip is beyond hilarious. I have hammered Moyes for many things but id like to think its at least been based in reality. The idea that he is rewarding failure is a joke.
EDIT :Jo, sort this quoting thing out!!!! Good grief, I'm hungover and i can't be easily confused today!!
Wayne Rooney is a fantastic footballer and should be a Man Utd legend, but in my eyes he will just be a commodity we used cos it was it was good for us.
He doesn't give a **** about Man Utd and i don't give a **** about Wayne Rooney.
I wanted him sold last summer but i understand why thats not a great idea. I'd still sell him TBH. However keeping a quality player is always a good thing so "woo!" apparently he is staying.
George Best, Dennis Law and Bobby Charlton are Man Utd legends in my eyes.
Roy Keane, Eric Cantona, Sir Alex Ferguson and Ronaldo are Man Utd legends in my eyes.
Given Rooney's history I'd see this as a similar tactical move as Liverpool have done with Suarez. Stick a big contract on him to try to ward off the inevitable offers that come in for players who have previously seemed 'unsettled'. With Suarez I still expect a massive offer to come from somewhere and him to leave but it might work with Rooney.
Given Rooney's history I'd see this as a similar tactical move as Liverpool have done with Suarez. Stick a big contract on him to try to ward off the inevitable offers that come in for players who have previously seemed 'unsettled'. With Suarez I still expect a massive offer to come from somewhere and him to leave but it might work with Rooney.
Given Rooney's history I'd see this as a similar tactical move as Liverpool have done with Suarez. Stick a big contract on him to try to ward off the inevitable offers that come in for players who have previously seemed 'unsettled'. With Suarez I still expect a massive offer to come from somewhere and him to leave but it might work with Rooney.
I would be amazed if any others clubs would match the pay deal that Rooney is supposed to now have.
He won't be going anywhere.
Not bothered about the wages although I'm sure it'll be used as a stick to beat him with by many fans, but the cost of replacing a player of his qualities both in a transfer fee and wages would probably be just as big if not bigger.
That being said can;t help but feel that the mantra no player is bigger than the club seems not to apply to Rooney any longer.
Not bothered about the wages although I'm sure it'll be used as a stick to beat him with by many fans, but the cost of replacing a player of his qualities both in a transfer fee and wages would probably be just as big if not bigger.
That being said can;t help but feel that the mantra no player is bigger than the club seems not to apply to Rooney any longer.
He isn't the first though is he?? Look how the club treated Robson through the 80's/90's. He got a way with so much off the park, and had so many injuries and yet the club gave him anything and everything he wanted.
Leaving aside the money aspect I am pleased Rooney will be staying and as for being our new captain,well can anyone else see any other potential leaders on that pitch?, For me Rooney is the only candidate for the Captains armband.
Give Rooney £100k per week. Plus a £200k win bonus.
I'd do the £100K a week and replace the bonuses with a £50K assist bonus, £50K goal bonus and £100K win bonus. He should be well sorted then and so should the results! Would only work for certain players/positions obviously, might have to tweak the figures though as could be expensive.
I've always wondered why football isn't apparently more geared up to the bonus scheme.
Speaking for myself, and no doubt many others, my basic wage is very much that. However, if I graft, put the effort in - I can earn far and above my basic through bonuses. And those bonuses are a mighty damn incentive to do better.
Seems obvious that football should be based on this...no? Maybe it already is and we don't hear about it.
I've always wondered why football isn't apparently more geared up to the bonus scheme.
Speaking for myself, and no doubt many others, my basic wage is very much that. However, if I graft, put the effort in - I can earn far and above my basic through bonuses. And those bonuses are a mighty damn incentive to do better.
Seems obvious that football should be based on this...no? Maybe it already is and we don't hear about it.
its harder to do when its based on a team ethic rather than an individual
Say rooney was on a sensible basic but got a win bonus of 200k, he scores a hattrick but the defence let in 4 and he loses it. There comes a point when resentment kicks in that he is doing his job and losing out on a fortune because of others.
I've always wondered why football isn't apparently more geared up to the bonus scheme.
Speaking for myself, and no doubt many others, my basic wage is very much that. However, if I graft, put the effort in - I can earn far and above my basic through bonuses. And those bonuses are a mighty damn incentive to do better.
Seems obvious that football should be based on this...no? Maybe it already is and we don't hear about it.
Would you rather have a high wage or rely on bonuses. Why would a footballer in demand sign a contract that doesn't guarentee a high weekly wage, particularly if he then has to rely on the manager getting the tactics, team selection etc correct and the performance of other player. Top players can and do demand what ever they want.
Would you rather have a high wage or rely on bonuses. Why would a footballer in demand sign a contract that doesn't guarentee a high weekly wage, particularly if he then has to rely on the manager getting the tactics, team selection etc correct and the performance of other player. Top players can and do demand what ever they want.
In my job, I'm never getting a big basic wage. I'd prefer it of course, but it won't happen.
The bonus however drives me to perform better. My better performance directly increases company turnover, and in turn, increases the ability to pay my bonus.
You sometimes hear about owners or chairmen offering cars and or huge bonuses to players based on individual games, such as cup ties, so they must believe that it works, to a degree. I may have exaggerated a little, but it would be nice to see pay linked to performance in some way. In reality however, it would be totally unworkable. Imagine if Nani thought he could bag fifty grand for a goal? We'd have to pay the ball boys a mileage bonus...
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If you say so Canty
Sorry!! The bloody link will only post above your quote. MEN shitstirring about Buttner posting a pic on the beach. Yep leathering down the vodka cocktails in that Muslim place in public with strict alcohol laws.[/QUOTE]
TBH honest i wouldn't be surprised with Buttner, being caught out horribly out of position and in big trouble isn't new to him…….:D
In reality they could be shagging on the beach for all i care if they manage to galvanise the team and come back with some sort of sense of what needs to be done for the rest of the season. The fuss over this trip is beyond hilarious. I have hammered Moyes for many things but id like to think its at least been based in reality. The idea that he is rewarding failure is a joke.
EDIT :Jo, sort this quoting thing out!!!! Good grief, I'm hungover and i can't be easily confused today!!
@themichaelowen: Remember the little dickie bird I spoke about a while ago? It is officially chirping in my ear a little louder!!!
If it's Rooney signing a new contract he can shove his dickie bird
She's not to be trusted…...
Its clearly a 4 year deal for Rooney. Its amazing how much louder his "dickie bird" gets once its all over the national media….
He doesn't give a **** about Man Utd and i don't give a **** about Wayne Rooney.
I wanted him sold last summer but i understand why thats not a great idea. I'd still sell him TBH. However keeping a quality player is always a good thing so "woo!" apparently he is staying.
George Best, Dennis Law and Bobby Charlton are Man Utd legends in my eyes.
Roy Keane, Eric Cantona, Sir Alex Ferguson and Ronaldo are Man Utd legends in my eyes.
Wayne Rooney is a guy who played well for us.
Rooney is 28/29. If he signs he is her for keeps.
I promise not to add any more links when I'm on my phone!! You wouldn't have me any other way though:D
I would be amazed if any others clubs would match the pay deal that Rooney is supposed to now have.
He won't be going anywhere.
RVP's agent said yesterday there isn't an ounce of truth in the rumour and that he'll probably end his career with us
With his injury record, how long is that going to be? 1 or 2 more seasons??
Do you think it's a gamble to give Rooney such a huge contract ?.
The wages, if true, will be on a par with Lionel Messi so what's going to happen if he doesn't turn in Messi-esque performances week in, week out ?
Is it feasible that Moyes has asked the board to give him whatever he wants to ensure he stays?
Interested in your thoughts.
Not bothered about the wages although I'm sure it'll be used as a stick to beat him with by many fans, but the cost of replacing a player of his qualities both in a transfer fee and wages would probably be just as big if not bigger.
That being said can;t help but feel that the mantra no player is bigger than the club seems not to apply to Rooney any longer.
He isn't the first though is he?? Look how the club treated Robson through the 80's/90's. He got a way with so much off the park, and had so many injuries and yet the club gave him anything and everything he wanted.
He's 28.
29 in October.
I'd do the £100K a week and replace the bonuses with a £50K assist bonus, £50K goal bonus and £100K win bonus. He should be well sorted then and so should the results! Would only work for certain players/positions obviously, might have to tweak the figures though as could be expensive.
Speaking for myself, and no doubt many others, my basic wage is very much that. However, if I graft, put the effort in - I can earn far and above my basic through bonuses. And those bonuses are a mighty damn incentive to do better.
Seems obvious that football should be based on this...no? Maybe it already is and we don't hear about it.
its harder to do when its based on a team ethic rather than an individual
Say rooney was on a sensible basic but got a win bonus of 200k, he scores a hattrick but the defence let in 4 and he loses it. There comes a point when resentment kicks in that he is doing his job and losing out on a fortune because of others.
Would you rather have a high wage or rely on bonuses. Why would a footballer in demand sign a contract that doesn't guarentee a high weekly wage, particularly if he then has to rely on the manager getting the tactics, team selection etc correct and the performance of other player. Top players can and do demand what ever they want.
In my job, I'm never getting a big basic wage. I'd prefer it of course, but it won't happen.
The bonus however drives me to perform better. My better performance directly increases company turnover, and in turn, increases the ability to pay my bonus.