Plus, she only reinforces the criticism towards GamerGate and 4chan, not refute it. For a start, the colour scheme of her jumper is based on a creepy, rape meme that did the round on 4chan involving Dragon Ball Z characters (I'll spare people the details).
Vivian James is a terrible mascot for GamerGate. For a start, she is an imaginary character, completely under the control of 4chan. She has no agency of her own - only that which is given to her by her masters. Hardly an exmaple you can use to say "look, we have women on our side!"
Plus, she only reinforces the criticism towards GamerGate and 4chan, not refute it. For a start, the colour scheme of her jumper is based on a creepy, rape meme that did the round on 4chan involving Dragon Ball Z characters (I'll spare people the details). If you're trying to given GamerGate some kind of pro-women slant, Vivian James is not a good example of doing so.
I'm curious about this rape meme with DBZ characters.
Oh please. We're talking about 4chan here, who created this character. 4chan - the same place the aforementioned rape joke originates from, and that bastion of feminist campaigning.
Oh please. We're talking about 4chan here, who created this character. 4chan - the same place the aforementioned rape joke originates from, and that bastion of feminist campaigning.
After what Moot did, highly unlikely. This is why 8chan is now a prominent site that people collaborate on and expose conflicts of interest, corruption, cronyism and collusion within the games industry. The same people who exposed just in the last day or so five more conflicts of interest involving Brandon Boyer, chairman of the International Games Festival.
You also conveniently forgot to mention how Vivian James is due to be a character for a game as a result of a feminist group wanting to make games using under-represented labour for under-represented demographics to fund non-profit charities.
BinaryDad please stop trying to use the TFYC thing as an example of GG's nobility. TFYC is not a charity, and GG donated to them solely to spite Zoe Quinn because she criticized the group on Twitter for something related to transgender.
And you have proof that it was merely to spite Quinn? You have evidence, or is this just another had wavy opinion based on "bellyfeel".?
I'd say that the continuing support for charities, organisations that support women and direct support of female developers shows that there's more there than just going out of their way to spite people. There's a movement there that's saying "hey, this is unfair" and acting on it.
If you really think GamerGate or the bottom-feeders of 4chan would have seriously given two hoots about a group that aims to increase representation of women in gaming had Zoe Quinn not come into the equation, you're even more naive than I think.
Maybe, maybe not. The enemy of my enemy and all that.But again, you like others are just attacking where the movement or the actions originate. You make an assumption about the origins of the movement (and that's all it is; an assumption) and then proceed to crap on any positive action because of that.
And it's not about increasing representation in gaming. That's already massively high - about 40 to 45% for women in many cases when it comes to console games. And higher still in the casual/social space and mobile.
It's about protecting female developers who want to get into the industry in many cases. You know...the same people who in many cases, have been attacked by these social justice warriors for daring to voice a different opinion. And even then, I'd say it's not because these people happen to be female - it's just because they're being singled out of very unfair treatment.
Vivian James is a terrible mascot for GamerGate. For a start, she is an imaginary character, completely under the control of 4chan. She has no agency of her own - only that which is given to her by her masters. Hardly an exmaple you can use to say "look, we have women on our side!"
Plus, she only reinforces the criticism towards GamerGate and 4chan, not refute it. For a start, the colour scheme of her jumper is based on a creepy, rape meme that did the round on 4chan involving Dragon Ball Z characters (I'll spare people the details). If you're trying to given GamerGate some kind of pro-women slant, Vivian James is not a good example of doing so.
I think you got btfo already by retford already, but it took the fevered imagination of McIntosh to see the colors of green and purple as a rape meme. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzEemp1SLOM
And mascots are imaginary characters.... complaining about a cartoon not having agency is missing the point so hard its not funny. Vivian is however the work of countless people, and as such there are countless different versions of her, to have a real live mascot would be ridiculous. Come to think of it, that is kind of what Anita is right? https://i.imgur.com/c5WJ7ZK.png https://i.imgur.com/V0JSG9P.png https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuPEoZjgJh0
and of course you like Tim Schafer are ignoring the live women on our side to talk about a cartoon character. Its a bagdad bob level of denial.
And I notice you ignored the second part about Cytherea which only hammers down the point. You fixate on not only obscure but imagined assaults while ignoring the real. Feminists have been treating every imagined harm on twitter or the net as the most horrifying assaults on women, they will go even as far as preemptively believing the most dubious claims of real world assault by the "right" women, especially in those american collage campus assault cases, but a real world gang rape as brought up by mercedes? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDaa61mHkuc Suddenly, radio silence, and yes, gamergate helped step into that breach as well.
So yea, keep criticizing cartoon characters with imagined problems... feminists actual concern for rape has been proven non genuine.
Another win for ethics as Eurogamer and Gamer Network updates its editorial policy, including a new right to reply clause - which means VG247 which refused to allow Mark Kern a right to reply to the hit-piece against his petition is now under pressure to back down on their stance and allow Kern to put his side across:
For a supposed "hate group", there are sure many companies who are reviewing and introducing new editorial, ethical, transparency and disclosure policies of their own free will as a result. Good on them.
I guess that's something, I still remember their letter from the editor citing "gamers are worse than isis" devin faraci as the go to guy for info on gamergate.
Anyways, massive info drop, mod leaked mod channel chat logs for reddit, corruption behind closed doors, no surprise, but its good to see it exposed. This san fran cabal which were supposed to be the stewards of free speech are proving time and time again they can't be trusted.
Yeah, really overblown when you're receiving horrible threats that force you to leave your home. You think that's acceptable, do you?
Nothing quite ironic like a Gator having the gall to call anything "overblown"! Having a big tantrum over video games of all things!
Huh? Are you trying to say that I'm a gator? I've not even bothered getting involved with all this nonsense, but even an outsider can see how crazy Brianna Wu is, other people have legit reasons and issues, Wu on the otherhand goes to seek out abuse so she can then cry about it.
Threats and stuff, that's bad, but from the looks of things, there are a lot more people to take serious in this issue than her, she's the kind of person to scream sexist at ANYTHING. That is not how you go about being taken seriously, that's just being the polar opposite of the extreme gamegates people.
Like I said before, both sides are stupid, people trying to rally Gamergate and trying to force it to be this ethical thing, they're stupid, the name is tainted, and a lot of bad eggs have ruined it. Then again, the other extreme, the Tumblr Feminists type people, also stupid, both sides are happy they have someone to scream and shout at really.
Flipping heck, is anti-gamergate really still a thing? I honestly thought that had died out ages ago and us gamers had been left in peace to get on with our hobby but it seems there are still some hateful people out there intent on ruining our fun.
Can't believe in this day it's still okay to hate on the right type of people.
Some people in this thread will look back on their actions in a few years and cringe, or maybe not.
Flipping heck, is anti-gamergate really still a thing? I honestly thought that had died out ages ago and us gamers had been left in peace to get on with our hobby but it seems there are still some hateful people out there intent on ruining our fun.
Can't believe in this day it's still okay to hate on the right type of people.
Some people in this thread will look back on their actions in a few years and cringe, or maybe not.
It never was a "thing". It's a construct invented by Gamergate supporters to be used as a scarecrow. There is no official organised "anti" movement with its own dedicated forums like GG has. Just like how the right refer to "cultural Marxists". Really don't see how you refuse to understanding this.
Proper laughing at your use of "us gamers". I'm a gamer too. You don't speak for me. I think the ones in here backing the crowd who harrass and threaten people becayse they got their knickers in a twist over VIDEO GAMES are much more likely to be the embarrassed ones looking back than say someone like me who just said a few heated words!
It never was a "thing". It's a construct invented by Gamergate supporters to be used as a scarecrow. There is no official organised "anti" movement with its own dedicated forums like GG has. Just like how the right refer to "cultural Marxists". Really don't see how you refuse to understanding this.
Proper laughing at your use of "us gamers". I'm a gamer too. You don't speak for me. I think the ones in here backing the crowd who harrass and threaten people becayse they got their knickers in a twist over VIDEO GAMES are much more likely to be the embarrassed ones looking back than say someone like me who just said a few heated words!
There isn't a anti movement because it gets destroyed within hours whereas we are still going strong.
Your side has Ben kuchera who is currently gathering a mob to demand EA fire Chris Mancil, a communication director becuase he hasn't openly called every GGer a terrorist and worse than Hitler.
It never was a "thing". It's a construct invented by Gamergate supporters to be used as a scarecrow. There is no official organised "anti" movement with its own dedicated forums like GG has. Just like how the right refer to "cultural Marxists". Really don't see how you refuse to understanding this.
Proper laughing at your use of "us gamers". I'm a gamer too. You don't speak for me. I think the ones in here backing the crowd who harrass and threaten people becayse they got their knickers in a twist over VIDEO GAMES are much more likely to be the embarrassed ones looking back than say someone like me who just said a few heated words!
You know that the anti gamer gate crowd have been found guilty of harassment as well, right? In fact, given the AGG tendency to cry victim over anything, I'd more likely believe the other side. TB got death threats just for stating he was neutral (from AGGs), did he cry about it to the media? Of course not. Useless death threats have been around since the dawn of the internet, even before. Not every "I'm going to kill you" message on Twitter is serious, these people are making it out to be a massive issue because, well, it makes them money.
It's interesting that the only side generating income from this are the anti gamer gaters. I wonder why that is?
It never was a "thing". It's a construct invented by Gamergate supporters to be used as a scarecrow. There is no official organised "anti" movement with its own dedicated forums like GG has. Just like how the right refer to "cultural Marxists". Really don't see how you refuse to understanding this.
Proper laughing at your use of "us gamers". I'm a gamer too. You don't speak for me. I think the ones in here backing the crowd who harrass and threaten people becayse they got their knickers in a twist over VIDEO GAMES are much more likely to be the embarrassed ones looking back than say someone like me who just said a few heated words!
Errr...wow...it must be embarrassing to be be constantly caught out when it comes to facts.
There's this little thing called Gamergahzi on reddit. Boy, don't you look silly...again. Let me ask...do you even bother to research and proof any of the stuff that you write?
Then there's the GG auto blocker which has been used to block anybody on twitter who even follows a person who is pro-GG in some way. It might might not be so bad, but I've seen a few people trying to use it as a screening process for potential employees and for a while, the IGDA also used it to filter out people they considered undesirable. Which rather embarrassingly, meant a lot of their chapter heads were blocked and accused of being sexist and misogynist. The IGDA stood by this judgment. That's a global organisation that is supposed to represent and support game developers, actively saying "we believe in aGG and in guilt by association".
No organised groups representing aGG? Pull the other one, it's got bells on.
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I'm curious about this rape meme with DBZ characters.
Oh please. We're talking about 4chan here, who created this character. 4chan - the same place the aforementioned rape joke originates from, and that bastion of feminist campaigning.
http://fastcompany.com/3037941/the-secret-meaning-behind-gamergates-branding
You hold 4chan in far too high regard.
You also conveniently forgot to mention how Vivian James is due to be a character for a game as a result of a feminist group wanting to make games using under-represented labour for under-represented demographics to fund non-profit charities.
https://twitter.com/TFYCapitalists/status/502912133416640512
https://twitter.com/radicalbytes/status/523647279391981570
(he has been told that purple and green were the primary colours of the suffragettes
They wore white and gold!
Blue and black, surely?
They wore both.
Purple symbolised dignity, white purity, and green hope.
A simple google search brings that up.
And you have proof that it was merely to spite Quinn? You have evidence, or is this just another had wavy opinion based on "bellyfeel".?
I'd say that the continuing support for charities, organisations that support women and direct support of female developers shows that there's more there than just going out of their way to spite people. There's a movement there that's saying "hey, this is unfair" and acting on it.
Maybe, maybe not. The enemy of my enemy and all that.But again, you like others are just attacking where the movement or the actions originate. You make an assumption about the origins of the movement (and that's all it is; an assumption) and then proceed to crap on any positive action because of that.
And it's not about increasing representation in gaming. That's already massively high - about 40 to 45% for women in many cases when it comes to console games. And higher still in the casual/social space and mobile.
It's about protecting female developers who want to get into the industry in many cases. You know...the same people who in many cases, have been attacked by these social justice warriors for daring to voice a different opinion. And even then, I'd say it's not because these people happen to be female - it's just because they're being singled out of very unfair treatment.
I think you got btfo already by retford already, but it took the fevered imagination of McIntosh to see the colors of green and purple as a rape meme. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzEemp1SLOM
And mascots are imaginary characters.... complaining about a cartoon not having agency is missing the point so hard its not funny. Vivian is however the work of countless people, and as such there are countless different versions of her, to have a real live mascot would be ridiculous. Come to think of it, that is kind of what Anita is right?
https://i.imgur.com/c5WJ7ZK.png
https://i.imgur.com/V0JSG9P.png
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuPEoZjgJh0
and of course you like Tim Schafer are ignoring the live women on our side to talk about a cartoon character. Its a bagdad bob level of denial.
And I notice you ignored the second part about Cytherea which only hammers down the point. You fixate on not only obscure but imagined assaults while ignoring the real. Feminists have been treating every imagined harm on twitter or the net as the most horrifying assaults on women, they will go even as far as preemptively believing the most dubious claims of real world assault by the "right" women, especially in those american collage campus assault cases, but a real world gang rape as brought up by mercedes? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDaa61mHkuc Suddenly, radio silence, and yes, gamergate helped step into that breach as well.
So yea, keep criticizing cartoon characters with imagined problems... feminists actual concern for rape has been proven non genuine.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-03-09-editors-blog-weve-revised-our-editorial-policy
For a supposed "hate group", there are sure many companies who are reviewing and introducing new editorial, ethical, transparency and disclosure policies of their own free will as a result. Good on them.
Anyways, massive info drop, mod leaked mod channel chat logs for reddit, corruption behind closed doors, no surprise, but its good to see it exposed. This san fran cabal which were supposed to be the stewards of free speech are proving time and time again they can't be trusted.
#ModTalkLeaks
http://blogjob.com/oneangrygamer/2015/03/reddit-mods-admit-to-censoring-gamergate-hiding-corruption/
https://archive.today/alL0e
http://pastebin.com/trends
http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2ydvd2/since_the_beginning_gamergate_has_been_about/
Δ #GamerGate Update Rollup - 03/08/2015 Δ
Bonn Ortloff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62IzDPrOJ-k
A Conversation with Mykeru
Sargon of Akkad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVvWg4ABqL8
KotakuInAction Sunday Stream: Subreddit of the Day!
Hat Deux
http://youtu.be/7-UBZ8DfW6o?t=2h00m01s
http://jezebel.com/rep-katherine-clark-the-fbi-needs-to-make-gamergate-a-1690599361
Sorry i have to link to a Jezebel article but an actual US congresswomen has urged the FBI to investigate Gamergate.
I can see this going well with the american taxpayer and other nations if the FBI actually try to pull something.
/grabs coat
"Clark is the congresswoman for Brianna Wu"
Of bloody course she is, wherever there's overblown hysterics, you usually find Brianna Wu!
Yeah, really overblown when you're receiving horrible threats that force you to leave your home. You think that's acceptable, do you?
Nothing quite ironic like a Gator having the gall to call anything "overblown"! Having a big tantrum over video games of all things!
Huh? Are you trying to say that I'm a gator? I've not even bothered getting involved with all this nonsense, but even an outsider can see how crazy Brianna Wu is, other people have legit reasons and issues, Wu on the otherhand goes to seek out abuse so she can then cry about it.
Threats and stuff, that's bad, but from the looks of things, there are a lot more people to take serious in this issue than her, she's the kind of person to scream sexist at ANYTHING. That is not how you go about being taken seriously, that's just being the polar opposite of the extreme gamegates people.
Like I said before, both sides are stupid, people trying to rally Gamergate and trying to force it to be this ethical thing, they're stupid, the name is tainted, and a lot of bad eggs have ruined it. Then again, the other extreme, the Tumblr Feminists type people, also stupid, both sides are happy they have someone to scream and shout at really.
Can't believe in this day it's still okay to hate on the right type of people.
Some people in this thread will look back on their actions in a few years and cringe, or maybe not.
It never was a "thing". It's a construct invented by Gamergate supporters to be used as a scarecrow. There is no official organised "anti" movement with its own dedicated forums like GG has. Just like how the right refer to "cultural Marxists". Really don't see how you refuse to understanding this.
Proper laughing at your use of "us gamers". I'm a gamer too. You don't speak for me. I think the ones in here backing the crowd who harrass and threaten people becayse they got their knickers in a twist over VIDEO GAMES are much more likely to be the embarrassed ones looking back than say someone like me who just said a few heated words!
There isn't a anti movement because it gets destroyed within hours whereas we are still going strong.
Your side has Ben kuchera who is currently gathering a mob to demand EA fire Chris Mancil, a communication director becuase he hasn't openly called every GGer a terrorist and worse than Hitler.
You know that the anti gamer gate crowd have been found guilty of harassment as well, right? In fact, given the AGG tendency to cry victim over anything, I'd more likely believe the other side. TB got death threats just for stating he was neutral (from AGGs), did he cry about it to the media? Of course not. Useless death threats have been around since the dawn of the internet, even before. Not every "I'm going to kill you" message on Twitter is serious, these people are making it out to be a massive issue because, well, it makes them money.
It's interesting that the only side generating income from this are the anti gamer gaters. I wonder why that is?
Errr...wow...it must be embarrassing to be be constantly caught out when it comes to facts.
There's this little thing called Gamergahzi on reddit. Boy, don't you look silly...again. Let me ask...do you even bother to research and proof any of the stuff that you write?
Then there's the GG auto blocker which has been used to block anybody on twitter who even follows a person who is pro-GG in some way. It might might not be so bad, but I've seen a few people trying to use it as a screening process for potential employees and for a while, the IGDA also used it to filter out people they considered undesirable. Which rather embarrassingly, meant a lot of their chapter heads were blocked and accused of being sexist and misogynist. The IGDA stood by this judgment. That's a global organisation that is supposed to represent and support game developers, actively saying "we believe in aGG and in guilt by association".
No organised groups representing aGG? Pull the other one, it's got bells on.