A 26-year-old man shot by the police during Croydon rioting, has now died.
Conceivably if this deceased gent was trying to mow down policemen with his car rather than trying to get clean away, then the police would have been justified to stop him instantly in self defence. West Croydon last night faced a serious situation as a huge fire raged in a furniture warehouse as a diversion from the serious pastime of looting.
Perhaps the Germans(or French) don't have professional full time pussies like you who are all too ready to berate the police if they as so much as raise a truncheon in anger?
I notice that the Acting Commissioner has now called up all Special Constables. That's a desperate decision.
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I know a lot of Special Constables who were in yesterday and are going in today. They are not only there to deal with the rioters but to back up their regular colleagues dealing with the day to day calls.
As most of them work in East London, they will be providing a much needed resource and calling it a desperate decision smacks those volunteers in the face, especially as they could be sitting at home watching it unfold on the TV, but they want to do what they can to help during this time.
Perhaps the Germans(or French) don't have professional full time pussies like you who are all too ready to berate the police if they as so much as raise a truncheon in anger?
I personally think too that the police here in my area is pussyfooting around the neds throwing stones at them. That's neither a foreign problem nor a black problem. The problem is a lack of common sense, which you contribute a great deal to, dear riley.
Anyway for all to enjoy Antifa and Police with drawn weapons against fascists with baseball bats.. that just made some Council election.. one Nazi gets arrested.
I always thought British policing is weak.. The Neds get away here with to much.
But since I come from a state which has police with guns and using more extreme measures some of my reactions will still resonate that.
Everyone, black,white,brown or yellow should feel the same level handed full force of the law. However if gun,knife,drug or sex crime is predominant in your ethnic group, then expect them to target you. There should be no special concessions or pussy footing around for one particular ethnic group or class.
That's strange as I don't recall there ever being this level of civil disobedience when it was a punishment. So I would say it certainly does work.
A slight reminder might be poll tax riots, Bradford, Burnely, May day riots + a few protests that got out of hand. Maybe you shoudl have been caned more in school to improve your memory.
Sorry that was afterwards. Try the Brixton, Toxteth, Broadwater Farm, Notting Hill, Battle of Cable St....
Everyone, black,white,brown or yellow should feel the same level handed full force of the law. However if gun,knife,drug or sex crime is predominant in your ethnic group, then expect them to target you. There should be no special concessions or pussy footing around for one particular ethnic group or class.
WTF are you talking about? Police sees guy trying to put a molotov in window. Police uses force.. shoots rubber bullets.
Police sees crowd getting in a shop. Deploys tear gas.
Police sees aggressive mob throwing stuff at them. Uses water thrower with tear gas.
Police sees peaceful protest. It doesn't do these things.
I have not made that a racial issue anywhere?
I try to be in the MIDDLE of the political spectrum. Neither too left nor too right is good. I might not succeed always, but that's at least my intention..
WTF are you talking about? Police sees guy trying to put a molotov in window. Police uses force.. shoots rubber bullets.
Police sees crowd getting in a shop. Deploys tear gas.
Police sees aggressive mob throwing stuff at them. Uses water thrower with tear gas.
Police sees peaceful protest. It doesn't do these things.
I have not made that a racial issue anywhere?
I try to be in the MIDDLE of the political spectrum. Neither too left nor too right is good. I might not succeed always, but that's at least my intention..
Perhaps the Germans(or French) don't have professional full time pussies like you who are all too ready to berate the police if they as so much as raise a truncheon in anger?
Do their police kill innocent newspaper sellers on their way home from work ?
A 26-year-old man shot by the police during Croydon rioting, has now died.
Conceivably if this deceased gent was trying to mow down policemen with his car rather than trying to get clean away, then the police would have been justified to stop him instantly in self defence. West Croydon last night faced a serious situation as a huge fire raged in a furniture warehouse as a diversion from the serious pastime of looting.
He was not shot by Police and it is now being investigated by officers form Operation Trident so that should give you a clue.:rolleyes:
Yes the man has died, but he was not shot by the Police.
That's true. I missed the part where a previous poster was blaming police. Sorry. We don't now who he was shot by. So it's wrong for anybody to say police did/didn't do this.
Sky reporting there were 3 looters in a car. Some sort of argument broke out and the 26 year old was shot. This is coming from police sources. So take it as you will.
I think everyone on this forum will sooner or later need beta-blockers or Valium by the time this is over. Rarely seen such intense and strongly-held opinions about a single issue.
Might pop the kettle on and have a nice herbal tea myself.
Seems like the moderates against the hang 'em and flog 'em brigade. One person even said they should be shot - with live ammo :eek:
That's true. I missed the part where a previous poster was blaming police. Sorry. We don't now who he was shot by. So it's wrong for anybody to say police did/didn't do this.
Sky reporting there were 3 looters in a car. Some sort of argument broke out and the 26 year old was shot. This is coming from police sources. So take it as you will.
As the incident is being investigated by Operation Trident, and not by the IPCC I think we can be fairly certain that he was not shot by Police.
That's true. I missed the part where a previous poster was blaming police. Sorry. We don't now who he was shot by. So it's wrong for anybody to say police did/didn't do this.
Sky reporting there were 3 looters in a car. Some sort of argument broke out and the 26 year old was shot. This is coming from police sources. So take it as you will.
My mistake completely. The reports say the man was shot. It did not say by whom, or not by whom, or whether even by himself.
More people get hurt by thugs than the police. Where I live a 67 year old is critically ill at the hands of rioters. Sure the occasional officer may screw up (and should be punished), but they need to be free to do their job.
This modern obsession with seeking perfection where no-one gets hurt is getting us nowhere.
As the incident is being investigated by Operation Trident, and not by the IPCC I think we can be fairly certain that he was not shot by Police.
A lot of people on here were quite certain that Duggan fired at the police before he was hit. In fact the original statement from the Met clearly meant people to infer that he did, without actually saying so.
I quote "Police were trying to arrest Mr Duggan, who was a passenger in a minicab when the incident took place on Thursday evening. A non-police issue handgun was recovered at the scene and an officer's radio, which appeared to have a bullet lodged in it, was also found."
The bullet, of course was police issue.
As I predicted, he had not fired a shot. I wonder whether or not the non-police issue handgun was in fact Duggan's .The Met are past masters at deception.
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A 26-year-old man shot by the police during Croydon rioting, has now died.
Conceivably if this deceased gent was trying to mow down policemen with his car rather than trying to get clean away, then the police would have been justified to stop him instantly in self defence. West Croydon last night faced a serious situation as a huge fire raged in a furniture warehouse as a diversion from the serious pastime of looting.
Perhaps the Germans(or French) don't have professional full time pussies like you who are all too ready to berate the police if they as so much as raise a truncheon in anger?
I know a lot of Special Constables who were in yesterday and are going in today. They are not only there to deal with the rioters but to back up their regular colleagues dealing with the day to day calls.
As most of them work in East London, they will be providing a much needed resource and calling it a desperate decision smacks those volunteers in the face, especially as they could be sitting at home watching it unfold on the TV, but they want to do what they can to help during this time.
Is that me off the xmas list?
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I always thought British policing is weak.. The Neds get away here with too much.
But since I come from a state which has police with guns and using more extreme measures some of my reactions will still resonate that.
Personally shooting water with tear gas at sitting peaceful protesters is bs. Using it against looters is another.
But you live in a B&W world, I would be grateful if you wouldn't pull me into it.
Everyone, black,white,brown or yellow should feel the same level handed full force of the law. However if gun,knife,drug or sex crime is predominant in your ethnic group, then expect them to target you. There should be no special concessions or pussy footing around for one particular ethnic group or class.
A slight reminder might be poll tax riots, Bradford, Burnely, May day riots + a few protests that got out of hand. Maybe you shoudl have been caned more in school to improve your memory.
Sorry that was afterwards. Try the Brixton, Toxteth, Broadwater Farm, Notting Hill, Battle of Cable St....
WTF are you talking about? Police sees guy trying to put a molotov in window. Police uses force.. shoots rubber bullets.
Police sees crowd getting in a shop. Deploys tear gas.
Police sees aggressive mob throwing stuff at them. Uses water thrower with tear gas.
Police sees peaceful protest. It doesn't do these things.
I have not made that a racial issue anywhere?
I try to be in the MIDDLE of the political spectrum. Neither too left nor too right is good. I might not succeed always, but that's at least my intention..
Are you sure? Or are you just spreading rumours?
Then It's obviously not working
Take a chill pill..
Do their police kill innocent newspaper sellers on their way home from work ?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-14462693
Indy, Guardian, Telegraph, Mail- all reporting this.
He was not shot by Police and it is now being investigated by officers form Operation Trident so that should give you a clue.:rolleyes:
Yes the man has died, but he was not shot by the Police.
That's true. I missed the part where a previous poster was blaming police. Sorry. We don't now who he was shot by. So it's wrong for anybody to say police did/didn't do this.
Sky reporting there were 3 looters in a car. Some sort of argument broke out and the 26 year old was shot. This is coming from police sources. So take it as you will.
I think everyone on this forum will sooner or later need beta-blockers or Valium by the time this is over. Rarely seen such intense and strongly-held opinions about a single issue.
Might pop the kettle on and have a nice herbal tea myself.
Seems like the moderates against the hang 'em and flog 'em brigade. One person even said they should be shot - with live ammo :eek:
As the incident is being investigated by Operation Trident, and not by the IPCC I think we can be fairly certain that he was not shot by Police.
I haven't got that much confidence in the MET. But we shall see.
My mistake completely. The reports say the man was shot. It did not say by whom, or not by whom, or whether even by himself.
That's the way I see it too.
No problems.
This modern obsession with seeking perfection where no-one gets hurt is getting us nowhere.
I don't really care about your prejudice - I am only interested in the the facts.
A lot of people on here were quite certain that Duggan fired at the police before he was hit. In fact the original statement from the Met clearly meant people to infer that he did, without actually saying so.
I quote "Police were trying to arrest Mr Duggan, who was a passenger in a minicab when the incident took place on Thursday evening. A non-police issue handgun was recovered at the scene and an officer's radio, which appeared to have a bullet lodged in it, was also found."
The bullet, of course was police issue.
As I predicted, he had not fired a shot. I wonder whether or not the non-police issue handgun was in fact Duggan's .The Met are past masters at deception.
Nothing excuses the rioting however.