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Did I hear Helren right

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    Sun Tzu.Sun Tzu. Posts: 19,064
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    I applaud Danielle for taking her on. Helen is an utter disgrace.
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    Bagshot85Bagshot85 Posts: 8,248
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    sheff71 wrote: »
    I'd love to see Helen be equally as offensive to a muslim lass on BB, and see how much abuse she would get... but obviously such abuse of Christianity is ok? hmm...

    Probably wouldn't have been shown, and we would have been in the dark.

    Why are all these ppl crawling out of the woodwork, and keep bringing muslims/Islam into it?
    She made a VERY offensive comment against Jesus, WHO HAPPENS TO BE A PROPHET OF ISLAM!!
    So her comment was very offensive to both Christians and Muslims.
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    Odette ValmontOdette Valmont Posts: 1,923
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    You did hear her right. Unfortunately, I suspect Big Brother didn't, as she should have been given a stern warning.
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    Incognito777Incognito777 Posts: 2,846
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    Have they mentioned it BOTS yet?
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    rockjackrockjack Posts: 13,897
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    She said numerous derogatory things about God on the live show but only shown the one comment tonight.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 9,122
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    Bagshot85 wrote: »
    Probably wouldn't have been shown, and we would have been in the dark.

    Why are all these ppl crawling out of the woodwork, and keep bringing muslims/Islam into it?
    She made a VERY offensive comment against Jesus, WHO HAPPENS TO BE A PROPHET OF ISLAM!!
    So her comment was very offensive to both Christians and Muslims.

    so agree with this!

    isn't it offensive to jews too? all abrahamic faiths have faith in him either as a prophet or a god.
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    MobolocoMoboloco Posts: 889
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    If Helen said that about another religion she would be thrown and and be under police protection I think.

    She never mentioned a specific religion. Her comment about Jesus could & will offend many different religions that involve Jesus in their beliefs... including the one your talking about.
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    Incognito777Incognito777 Posts: 2,846
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    flowers786 wrote: »
    so agree with this!

    isn't it offensive to jews too? all abrahamic faiths have faith in him either as a prophet or a god.

    Jews don't believe in Jesus.
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    MobolocoMoboloco Posts: 889
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    Jews don't believe in Jesus.

    Yes they do. They just don't believe he was the son of god or a prophet.

    They simply reject him.
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    Incognito777Incognito777 Posts: 2,846
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    Moboloco wrote: »
    She never mentioned a specific religion. Her comment about Jesus could & will offend many different religions that involve Jesus... including the one your talking about.

    She told a Christian Girl to stop sh*gging Jesus. Does it need to be any clearer?
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    FoxyRoxiFoxyRoxi Posts: 918
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    You did hear her right. Unfortunately, I suspect Big Brother didn't, as she should have been given a stern warning.

    You can bet your bottom dollar that further down the line BB have got one of those fantastic, never happened before, rock the house etc, twists to do with the pass to the final. I bet they are fuming at how Helen is behaving, because if they are forced to evict her if she says anything worse, it will ruin their plans.
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    Incognito777Incognito777 Posts: 2,846
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    Moboloco wrote: »
    Yes they do. They just don't believe he was the son of god or a prophet.

    So they believe he was no one.... So why would they be offended. that's my point.
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    Kayleigh_ArrowsKayleigh_Arrows Posts: 13
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    I must have missed the comment. Helen had probably started to infuriate me, and when this happens, which is often, I blank her out. I'm not a fan of Danielle either, but she was the lesser evil in that argument in my opinion, and I'm annoyed at BBOTS for their editing of the whole thing in Helen's favour! I've disliked her since the vile comment her and Tamara made towards Jale being a slug.
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    MobolocoMoboloco Posts: 889
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    She told a Christian Girl to stop sh*gging Jesus. Does it need to be any clearer?

    I just see it as her using the name of Jesus to ridicule her, If she used another prophet or messenger of gods name that is also associated with multiple religions it would be no different.
    Muslims see Christians as "People of the Book" so insulting a Christian by using Jesus is also insulting their beliefs in many cases.

    No one religion has a monopoly on Jesus.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 204
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    I hope she gets 2 red cards that was shocking I hope something is done about it
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    Incognito777Incognito777 Posts: 2,846
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    Moboloco wrote: »
    I just see it as her using the name of Jesus to ridicule her, If she used another prophet or messenger of gods name that is also associated with multiple religions it would be no different.
    Muslims see Christians as "People of the Book" so insulting a Christian by using Jesus is also insulting their beliefs in many cases.

    No one religion has a monopoly on Jesus.

    Dude....Helen was ridiculing Danielle for being a Christian. Its as simple as that in my eyes.
    Jesus is the most important person in Christianity.
    I agree Muslims will find it a distasteful comment.
    But you know it would be a whole different story if Danielle was Muslim and the comment was about Mohammed.
    Keep it real.
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    Bagshot85Bagshot85 Posts: 8,248
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    Dude....Helen was ridiculing Danielle for being a Christian. Its as simple as that in my eyes.
    Jesus is the most important person in Christianity.
    I agree Muslims will find it a distasteful comment.
    But you know it would be a whole different story if Danielle was Muslim and the comment was about Mohammed.
    Keep it real.

    I hand on heart don't believe it would have been shown.

    Pretty much like the p*ki comments Jack Tweed, Danielle and JO would make.
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    omipaloneomipalone Posts: 11,735
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    abs2512 wrote: »
    Did she actually say something very inappropriate about Jesus

    Who him :confused:

    A fictional character? Would I be as upset, as some claim, if she had said the same about Harry Potter?

    I think my response would be the same - Meh!
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    ryanr554ryanr554 Posts: 4,013
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    I generally don't care and don't have time for religion of any kind but I totally respect that other people do. I don't ridicule them for believing in something that I don't.

    What Helen said was totally distasteful and really showed that Danielle was right in saying she had no class. Completely stupid thing to say and I would be extremely surprised if she didn't get a warning for it.
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    Incognito777Incognito777 Posts: 2,846
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    We judge them as Housemates.

    If Danielle made insulting homophobic comments in the house. I would expect her to get a warning. Just like if someone made a sexist or a racist comment.
    If someone made jokes about Islam they would get warned about Islamaphobia.

    But when its an insult to Christianity....its just a bit of a giggle...is that how it works?

    We just ask for consistency, everyone is fair game or no one. Im happy either way. But no special rules.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 10,188
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    I thought Winston's strip in the diary room was more disgusting.
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    MobolocoMoboloco Posts: 889
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    Dude....Helen was ridiculing Danielle for being a Christian. Its as simple as that in my eyes.
    Jesus is the most important person in Christianity.
    I agree Muslims will find it a distasteful comment.
    But you know it would be a whole different story if Danielle was Muslim and the comment was about Mohammed.
    Keep it real.

    If she said the same thing to a Muslim would it have been because she was a Muslim?

    A Muslim would be equally offended if either Jesus(Isa) or Muhammad's name was used. Don't forget in Islam all prophets are equal.

    I just think it was a nasty comment that idiots sometimes use when they are trying to hurt anybody of faith. She could of even said it to a Jew & they would be equally offended.

    I prefer to see such comments as a slur against people of faith regardless of which religion they belong to. I think if more people felt this way we would have a greater tolerance towards one another,
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    Bagshot85Bagshot85 Posts: 8,248
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    We judge them as Housemates.

    If Danielle made insulting homophobic comments in the house. I would expect her to get a warning. Just like if someone made a sexist or a racist comment.
    If someone made jokes about Islam they would get warned about Islamaphobia.

    But when its an insult to Christianity....its just a bit of a giggle...is that how it works?

    We just ask for consistency, everyone is fair game or no one. Im happy either way. But no special rules.

    Yes, but that comment has caused quite a stir out here. In the house they/BB probably couldn't give a hoot.
    Remember the Conor comments? Did BB care? Nope.
    The whole Jade/Shilpa thing? Nope.
    I could go on....
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    StandByMe89StandByMe89 Posts: 550
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    BIGM0MMA wrote: »
    I think if Helen had insulted another religions god her feet wouldn't touch the ground on the way out.

    Not sure why this is seemingly acceptable for one but not another.
    True.
    She should have been pulled up for this comment & the threat of violence. Others would've been. I think she's going to lose her ticket to the final.
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    Mani_BhangraMani_Bhangra Posts: 859
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    I am a Sikh, if someone disrespects my religion, I would not be happy, sorry, she needs to be punished for that comment, it was bang out of order, Channel 5 needs to do something about this.
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