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Disabled Parking - Should they pay?

SomnerSomner Posts: 9,412
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I know that disabled parking provision has been bought up time and time again here and is a very provacative topic.

The large shopping centre in the neighbouring town has now introduced parking charges for disabled customers in all of it's four multi storey car parks. That's £1.20 for up to 2 hours, £2.00 for up to 4, etc.. Hardly a huge amount.

Good on them I say. I see no reason why they should not pay to park, like everybody else has to. I'd be happy for them to only have to pay a reduced amount, due to the fact that the charges are time based and it does generally take disabled people longer to get around than it would for somebody without a disability, however. Those with disabilities arguable cost the car park provider more than those without, the cost is which is then passed on via the parking charges. As well as using the usual facilities of the car park, they will make more use of the elevators, ramps have had to be installed to comply with the DDA, the shop mobility service is heavily subsidised, and they so far haven't been paying a penny!

Obviously there are many blue badge holders who aren't too happy with this, but fail to come up with any good reason why they shouldn't pay.

I regularly use all four of these multi storey car parks and feel that there are far too many disabled spots. The one I use the most has 84 disabled spots over 7 storeys, and yet I have never in my entire life seen any more than about 12 of these spots in use, yet find myself driving up and down for ages trying to find myself a spot!

Last Christmas Eve I had to take my girlfriend up to collect something. Four of these spots were being used, whilst the rest of the car park was absolutely heaving, I ended up parking in one of these 80 unused spots, but had to wait in the car in case a car park official came along. I understand that many disabled people may steer clear of shopping on Christmas Eve because the place would likely be busy, but as I said before, it is extremely rare to see more than 20% of these spots in use!

I have and will never be against disabled parking bays, but I feel that there are far too many and that having them provided free (at the expense of everybody else) makes no sense whatsoever.

Why should disabled parking be free?
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    BerBer Posts: 24,562
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    I agree with this - I can't see any reason why disabled people shouldn't be treated exactly the same as the able-bodied and that means taking the bad as well as the good.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,404
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    I tend to agree that people using disabled bays should pay for parking too (at a reduced rate). However, the problem would be getting to the machine to get a ticket...defeating the point in parking where you don't have to walk far or mobilise with a wheelchair.
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    SomnerSomner Posts: 9,412
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    Ponglie wrote: »
    I tend to agree that people using disabled bays should pay for parking too (at a reduced rate). However, the problem would be getting to the machine to get a ticket...defeating the point in parking where you don't have to walk far or mobilise with a wheelchair.

    Each car park is accessed from level 4 (the level on which the shops are) via large lobby areas (so no space issues) each with 4 ticket machines. Two of the car parks also have alternative accesses on level 4, both very quiet, with elevators and have a single ticket machine. It's "pay on foot" so you pay on your way back to the car.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 953
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    My mum recently qualitied for a blue badge. Since then, I've been surprised at the number of places which offer free parking. What is quite good, it that you can park on double-yellow lines, in certain sitautions. The accessible, wide spaces are also good.

    Last year, she paid £50 for an annual car parking season ticket for nearby attraction. This is now no longer required - free parking with the blue badge. I can't see why it should be free, though.
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    sutiesutie Posts: 32,645
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    COSTCO seem to be labouring under the misapprehension that half the population are disabled, due to the ridiculous percentage of disabled parking places they offer.

    Even if they are free. :mad:
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    Daffodil67Daffodil67 Posts: 1,742
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    Agree, I have a blue badge that I rarely use unless I am having a bad day (thankfully not many these days and will probably relinquish my badge when it expires later this year).

    However, I fail to see why I am able to cross the Severn Bridge for free because I have a Blue Badge (Normal cost £5.40!) It's not like anyone walks over it!
    I have used it on those occasions that I have gone over the bridge though... waste not, want not :)
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    littleboolittleboo Posts: 1,190
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    Presumeably because disabled people are likely to be reliant on the car as a means of transport. It's a concession which I'm sure they would willing trade for being fit and healthy.
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    Charcole911Charcole911 Posts: 6,353
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    Parking charges should be abolished altogether for everybody. We already pay far too much for petrol, council tax, car tax, insurance and repairs.
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    SomnerSomner Posts: 9,412
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    Parking charges should be abolished altogether for everybody. We already pay far too much for petrol, council tax, car tax, insurance and repairs.

    None of which goes to the private company who own these car parks. I don't imagine they'd be too happy
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    spikydogspikydog Posts: 1,926
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    littleboo wrote: »
    Presumeably because disabled people are likely to be reliant on the car as a means of transport. It's a concession which I'm sure they would willing trade for being fit and healthy.

    I don't follow your reasoning here. I am reliant on public transport to get to work, but that doesn't mean I should travel for free.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 3,382
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    What a small minded, mean spirted bunch.
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    SomnerSomner Posts: 9,412
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    mysticalan wrote: »
    What a small minded, mean spirted bunch.

    Who are you referring to?
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    BerBer Posts: 24,562
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    mysticalan wrote: »
    What a small minded, mean spirted bunch.

    What, for believing that disabled people should be given the same considerations as everyone else?
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    sadoldbirdsadoldbird Posts: 9,626
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    Would you really begrudge a disabled person a bit of free parking? Next thing you'll want to charge them extra for the better toilets.
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    Squishy22Squishy22 Posts: 3,074
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    spikydog wrote: »
    I don't follow your reasoning here. I am reliant on public transport to get to work, but that doesn't mean I should travel for free.

    It's not the same. Some disabled people can't use public transport.

    I don't mind them getting it a bit cheaper. I'm just thankful I'm not disabled and don't need allowances to be made for me.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 14,732
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    Aren't the vast majority of disabled people on low incomes and have high expenses due to their disability.

    Why should they pay? Simply because it's another thing we can moan about?
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    BerBer Posts: 24,562
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    Squishy22 wrote: »
    It's not the same. Some disabled people can't use public transport.

    I don't mind them getting it a bit cheaper. I'm just thankful I'm not disabled and don't need allowances to be made for me.

    Many disabled people don't want allowances made for them either - they wanted to be treated like any other person and any allowances that are made are purely there so they can be just like any other person.
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    BerBer Posts: 24,562
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    Kablamo wrote: »
    Aren't the vast majority of disabled people on low incomes and have high expenses due to their disability.

    Why should they pay? Simply because it's another thing we can moan about?

    I don't know - are they?
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 14,732
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    Ber wrote: »
    What, for believing that disabled people should be given the same considerations as everyone else?

    No, for believing some people (able bodied or able in mind) are more equal than others.
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    Squishy22Squishy22 Posts: 3,074
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    Ber wrote: »
    Many disabled people don't want allowances made for them either - they wanted to be treated like any other person and any allowances that are made are purely there so they can be just like any other person.

    They don't have to accept the allowances! Just because some don't want them, doesn't mean all disabled people should lose out.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 14,732
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    Ber wrote: »
    Many disabled people don't want allowances made for them either - they wanted to be treated like any other person and any allowances that are made are purely there so they can be just like any other person.

    I am sure many people want to be millionaires but there are great limitations and hurdles in the way - the same way, as much as somebody who is disabled wishes to be treated on equal grounds they do realise that this means, ramps, help in an able bodied society, using lifts rather than stairs - numerous things because the limitation and hurdles is insurmountable.
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    BerBer Posts: 24,562
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    Squishy22 wrote: »
    They don't have to accept the allowances! Just because some don't want them, doesn't mean all disabled people should lose out.

    No, and thats the problem - there are so many disabilities out there but they all tend to be treated the same by society
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 3,382
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    Ber wrote: »
    What, for believing that disabled people should be given the same considerations as everyone else?

    My ex was born with Spina Bifida. Her whole life has been a struggle against the odds and her car is her lifeline. Do I think society should make concessions for people like her ? You bet.

    Do you imagine that all the disabled are well-off ? They're amongst the poorest in society.

    You could just thank God you have your health and stop bellyaching.
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    fredsterfredster Posts: 31,802
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    sutie wrote: »
    COSTCO seem to be labouring under the misapprehension that half the population are disabled, due to the ridiculous percentage of disabled parking places they offer.

    Even if they are free. :mad:

    I agree with you, but there never seems to be anyone checking the parking lots!!
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    BerBer Posts: 24,562
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    mysticalan wrote: »
    My ex was born with Spina Bifida. Her whole life has been a struggle against the odds and her car is her lifeline. Do I think society should make concessions for people like her ? You bet.

    Do you imagine that all the disabled are well-off ? They're amongst the poorest in society.

    You could just thank God you have your health and stop bellyaching.

    Actually I have spina bifida too.
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