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Locomotion : Dan Snow's History of the Railways : BBC2

Doghouse RileyDoghouse Riley Posts: 32,491
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I'm always wary of so called documentaries where the name of the presenter is included in the title. Particularly when you think that presenter isn't an expert on the subject.
I guess the producers feel that the subject wouldn't be interested enough without the addition.

They were dead right. I s'ppose I can't complain that the programme seemed to be "50% Dan Snow." Lot's of close ups of Dan's face included by the director (is there something going on there?)
Ten minutes of the hype was enough for me, we've had enough programmes on railways recently and many more before that, all better than this, it's getting like "railwaymania" on the BBC.

Though I'm sure some love Dan Snow and will watch it.
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    Smiley433Smiley433 Posts: 7,900
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    Was just about to start a thread on this. Had high hopes for this series as I find railway history quite interesting, but as you point out it was (I thought nearer) 90% Dan Snow walking along a rail track, Dan Snow walking along a pavement, Dan Snow with a pathetic wee torch walking through a tunnel. Didn't think there was a need to get a couple of voice-over artists to re-enact the parliament throwing out of plans for the Manchester to Liverpool railway - that could have been covered in one minute yet they spent about 10 minutes on the subject.

    There were some interesting facts in it but take out all the fluff and wobbly camera shots and it could have been cut down to about 30 minutes.

    Not sure if I'll watch next week, will probably give it a go though.
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    Ted MurrayTed Murray Posts: 89
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    After seeing him in the BBC Roman Empire doc a couple of weeks ago, I'm wondering whether he specialises in "documentary dumb-downs," because that one wasn't up to much either.
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    Doghouse RileyDoghouse Riley Posts: 32,491
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    Ted Murray wrote: »
    After seeing him in the BBC Roman Empire doc a couple of weeks ago, I'm wondering whether he specialises in "documentary dumb-downs," because that one wasn't up to much either.

    I only got as far as him firing the gun,(for cryin' out loud) this was "Blue Peter Level."

    To think BBC2 has sunk to this sort of dumbed down nonsense.
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    lundavralundavra Posts: 31,790
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    I normally like programmes he does but this seemed very gimmicky.

    I still don't understand what the bit with the gun was about, I initially thought there were going to rats around but no mention was made of that.

    Why shoot in the tunnel with just a silly little torch in his hand? They could have easily lit the area around him much better.
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    redvers36redvers36 Posts: 4,895
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    I only got as far as him firing the gun,(for cryin' out loud) this was "Blue Peter Level."

    To think BBC2 has sunk to this sort of dumbed down nonsense.

    Perhaps he should go back to doing BBC shows with his father Peter Snow or perhaps his fathers cousin Jon Snow could help him out at Channel 4.
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    Doghouse RileyDoghouse Riley Posts: 32,491
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    redvers36 wrote: »
    Perhaps he should go back to doing BBC shows with his father Peter Snow or perhaps his fathers cousin Jon Snow could help him out at Channel 4.

    This is an example of what the endemic nepotism in TV, does for the quality of programmes.
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    piimapoikapiimapoika Posts: 285
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    Not totally dumbed down. I was interested to see Chat Moss is still there. I had assumed that it had been drained and built over years ago. I didn't get those blokes filling the iron skips with mud. It wasn't a reconstruction of 1830's navvying. It looked as if they were doing a real job without benefit of mechanical excavators. Why?
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    drykiddrykid Posts: 1,510
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    I thought it was enjoyable enough, although the history was familiar enough to me already. But it did a good job I thought of capturing the spirit of the times. Will definitely watch the remaining two parts anyway.

    I was surprised they didn't mentioned the Rainhill Trials, since that seemed an important part of the George Stephenson story, and would've added a bit of drama. Also couldn't see the point of having him wander around what I assume was Edge HIll Cutting at the start without actually bothering to explain where he was or how it connected with anything else that came later.
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    Doghouse RileyDoghouse Riley Posts: 32,491
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    drykid wrote: »
    I thought it was enjoyable enough, although the history was familiar enough to me already. But it did a good job I thought of capturing the spirit of the times. Will definitely watch the remaining two parts anyway.

    I was surprised they didn't mentioned the Rainhill Trials, since that seemed an important part of the George Stephenson story, and would've added a bit of drama. Also couldn't see the point of having him wander around what I assume was Edge HIll Cutting at the start without actually bothering to explain where he was or how it connected with anything else that came later.

    This may have been true, but surely it was made up for by the inclusion of a lot of close-up footage of young Dan "doin' stuff?"
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    drykiddrykid Posts: 1,510
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    I don't find him annoying though; it's clear he does have a big interest in the topic. So yeah, although they could've fitted more in if they'd cut down on the clowning about, I can't say it was driving me to distraction the way it clearly does others. I'd have been happy if they just added an extra episode to fit in the bits they skipped over.

    Talking of which, I hope it doesn't end up doing what they did with his Empire Of The Seas series and finishing the last episode at some abritrary historical point for no obvious reason. Cos I remember that leaving me a little non-plussed at the time.
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    Doghouse RileyDoghouse Riley Posts: 32,491
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    drykid wrote: »
    I don't find him annoying though; it's clear he does have a big interest in the topic. So yeah, although they could've fitted more in if they'd cut down on the clowning about, I can't say it was driving me to distraction the way it clearly does others. I'd have been happy if they just added an extra episode to fit in the bits they skipped over.

    Talking of which, I hope it doesn't end up doing what they did with his Empire Of The Seas series and finishing the last episode at some abritrary historical point for no obvious reason. Cos I remember that leaving me a little non-plussed at the time.

    Hmm..

    Propose a topic, pay me a lot of money to talk about it, I'll gen up on it and "clearly" demonstrate an interest in it.
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    roddydogsroddydogs Posts: 10,308
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    Being Peters son hasnt done him much harm, has it.
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    FayecorgasmFayecorgasm Posts: 29,793
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    They should have got Micheal Portillo to do it his great British railways journeys was fabulous and he is an excellent presenter much to my surprise the prgramme is never about him and he brings things to life
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    NickLangleyNickLangley Posts: 561
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    The Discovery Channel did this kind programme a lot better and on a very much lower budget.
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    Doghouse RileyDoghouse Riley Posts: 32,491
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    roddydogs wrote: »
    Being Peters son hasn't done him much harm, has it.

    Yes, in many businesses, when it comes to getting a job, "pull" is so much more effective than "push." None more so than the BBC.

    Or you could say, such a happy coincidence that people selected for jobs in TV frequently happen to have a relative already in the business.

    The Dimbleby's were really lucky, weren't they?
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    lundavralundavra Posts: 31,790
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    roddydogs wrote: »
    Being Peters son hasnt done him much harm, has it.

    He has a first in modern history at Balliol so he is a historian and not just a TV presenter. He comes up with great snippets from history in his Tweets, my favourite was on Chris Hoy in the Olympics as the greatest mounted charge by a Scotsman since Ensign Ewart at Waterloo.
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    Doghouse RileyDoghouse Riley Posts: 32,491
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    lundavra wrote: »
    He has a first in modern history at Balliol so he is a historian and not just a TV presenter. He comes up with great snippets from history in his Tweets, my favourite was on Chris Hoy in the Olympics as the greatest mounted charge by a Scotsman since Ensign Ewart at Waterloo.
    But being the son of an established TV presenter, was a far more important "qualification."

    My point about "pull" rather than "push" is that there must be lots of similarly, or better academically qualified people out there, who never get the opportunity to find similar jobs.
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    I'm always wary of so called documentaries where the name of the presenter is included in the title. Particularly when you think that presenter isn't an expert on the subject.
    I guess the producers feel that the subject wouldn't be interested enough without the addition.

    They were dead right. I s'ppose I can't complain that the programme seemed to be "50% Dan Snow." Lot's of close ups of Dan's face included by the director (is there something going on there?)
    Ten minutes of the hype was enough for me, we've had enough programmes on railways recently and many more before that, all better than this, it's getting like "railwaymania" on the BBC.

    Though I'm sure some love Dan Snow and will watch it.


    Oh dear for once I find my self agreeing with you:):)
    It was too much Dan and not enough information.:mad:
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    Doghouse RileyDoghouse Riley Posts: 32,491
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    Oldbod wrote: »
    Oh dear for once I find my self agreeing with you:
    It was too much Dan and not enough information.:mad:

    It would only be polite of me to say, thanks for that, but I wouldn't have minded in the least if you didn't, why should I?
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    gboygboy Posts: 4,989
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    I enjoyed it. An interesting reminder of the huge significance rialways had on the development of society and the progression of the industrial revolution.

    I agree that there were times this felt a bit like 'The Dan Snow Show' - I suppose producers felt like he would bring in viewers who wouldn't normally watch these type of documentaries. It's the kind of programme Fred Dibnah excelled at - sadly, I don't think Dan is the new Fred.
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    AmbassadorAmbassador Posts: 22,333
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    It was alright, nothing too engaging though and did come across as 'history-lite'

    I actually saw this being filmed at Beamish Museum in Co.Durham (the scenes where Dan ran alongside the Rocket) and he was a right miserable git. Refused to sign autographs and wouldn't speak to anyone. They did that running take about 15 times so he was probably knackered.
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    redvers36redvers36 Posts: 4,895
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    This is an example of what the endemic nepotism in TV, does for the quality of programmes.

    I am afraid so.
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    heikerheiker Posts: 7,029
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    The Dan Snow Show should be placed aboard a Saturn Rocket and blasted off into deepest space never to be seen again.
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    albertdalbertd Posts: 14,362
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    In Episode 2 (22/1/13) there is an aerial shot where a train is shown entering a tunnel under a cornfield. Just to the left of the tunnel portals, silhouetted against the field, is a small TV mast and I wondered where it is. On iPlayer it is at the 40m45s point in the programme.

    Does anyone recognise the location?
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    wazzyboywazzyboy Posts: 13,346
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    There are some great railway historians who from time to time get to speak on TV, for example the guy who was on the show about model railways on BBC Four last night. I've seen him on a few things now.

    However could he or his peers carry an entire show as a presenter? I'm not sure about that.

    You could apply this to factual shows in general. Most are aimed at the lay person, not intended as a TV lecture like the Open University.
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