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15 year old heads off to Syria
Si_Crewe
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Haven't seen a thread about THIS story yet.
Was watching a press conference held by the family on the C4 news tonight and, I couldn't help noticing the proliferation of family members all dressed up in their finest bin liners.
I can't help thinking that, tragic as this situation is, it's an inevitable consequence of bringing kids up to think that they're not actually part of the community they live in and are, instead, members of some other society thousands of miles away.
Seems she'd been talking to some other (as yet unidentified) older girl in London and they've both decided to nip off to Syria and lend a hand.
Was watching a press conference held by the family on the C4 news tonight and, I couldn't help noticing the proliferation of family members all dressed up in their finest bin liners.
I can't help thinking that, tragic as this situation is, it's an inevitable consequence of bringing kids up to think that they're not actually part of the community they live in and are, instead, members of some other society thousands of miles away.
Seems she'd been talking to some other (as yet unidentified) older girl in London and they've both decided to nip off to Syria and lend a hand.
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While I'm at it, it seems rather disturbing the way her family are busy complaining that "there's no proof" she's been radicalised or that she's up to no good.
That all sounds rather defensive to me.
F**k the proof. If I was a parent who was concerned about getting my kid back safely I'd be more interested in offering any possible information which I thought might be useful, rather than spending my time denying that there was "proof" of anything.
"Greased the wheels"?
"Eased their passage"?
Am I missing something?
She might not have the money but ISIS are well known to be the wealthiest terrorist organisation around. They would pay the fare to get fresh meat to impregnate and get more lovely jihadists.
If that's the case, I guess the police must already know more than they're saying.
I mean, they know the kids flew to Turkey so they'll have information about whoever did purchase the tickets, if the kids didn't purchase them for themselves.
Wonder if there's any CCTV in Istanbul airport, possibly showing them being met by somebody?
You do. From an earlier report it claimed she was self radicalised. I've no idea how true that is.
I thought you were better than that Si.
Right, cos that's the important issue here.
Just seems, to me, that here you've got somebody who obviously feels enough of an affiliation with something that's happening half way across the world that she, apparently, heads off to join, there's probably a reason for it.
I think it's fair to say, judging by the way her family and friends looked during the press conference, that the culture she's been brought up in probably had something to do with her forming the views she seems to have.
God how much do I detest that garment and everything it stands for, even twenty years ago they were almost unheard off in this country.
Yes! Exactly this ^^^
Don't even get me started on it >:(
I bet she's stuck there now, like women in Saudi Arabia who are not allowed to leave the country without male permission.
Compared to the absolute hell-hole that she's going to find when she gets to Syria, I reckon a bit of Saudi level female subservience would be a God-send.
You and me both. Islamic ways are coming for you. You have been warned.
Many Muslims breed like rabbits, don't and won't integrate very well with current society and some IMO are a threat in terms of radical religious views.
It's a disaster waiting to happen and it won't be long for the UK be terminally infected.
And people say, I don't tell it as it is.
These comments are disgraceful.
A security threat? 'Oh well the parents wont see her again'.
They have just effectively lost their child. I feel for them.
For any Muslim/Islamist that wants to leave the UK for the Middle East I'd pay for them to go, if I could afford it. A one way ticket that is, and they would have to forfeit British citizenship, as part of the deal, i.e. you go, don't bother coming back. Take your family and friends (sharing your views) with you for good measure.
I hope so too and I hope that, once she's safely home, the family do some serious soul-searching about what led their 15 year old daughter to think that the conflict in Syria was more important than her life in Britain.
Tough. Things have gotten out of hand and need resolving ASAP. They should bring back trying people for treason, and that includes 15 year olds.
From what I've heard most of the radicalisation takes place online - undoubtedly twitter has something to answer for - Anjem Choudhary's twitter preaches hate and then there are other very sinister accounts I found linked to his. I would imagine that the majority of the mosques aren't preaching this kind of hatred but of course a few of them are. I suppose the online messages are you can either be a fake Western loving Muslim leading a meaningless existence in Britain or live a life of glamour, Call of Duty style violence and purpose in Syria/Iraq.
I would agree that the people have to have some sort of religious indoctrination to fall for the really nasty stuff, although some people convert from atheist to Muslim to terrorist in a very short space of time. Basically we need people to deconstruct the religion and force it through some sort of reformation - the status quo of it being left alone can no longer exist.
I hope she is safe and well, but I hope she doesn't return here. We have enough people here already who seemingly hate The West and all it stands for, without re-importing those who hate us enough to go to these extreme lengths.
Did you read the first sentence I wrote? Their daughter didn't go a bit off the rails and get a tattoo or get drunk at a party, she decided to join an organization with is well known for the most horrific brutality oppression and the mass murder of thousands of prisoners.
She's made her bed, now she can lie in it.
She is fifteen years old and has been monumentally stupid but like it or not this country is her home and she should come back
Her recent experiences may well have changed her outlook and her story could help dissuade others from being so foolish