HBO Game Of Thrones S05 (NO SPOILERS)

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  • Slow_LorisSlow_Loris Posts: 24,845
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    I think i agree with those predicting trouble for Sansa.

    I think it will all go terribly wrong for Littlefinger, he will be out played and that both will end up in a sticky situation.
  • Ian F 2012Ian F 2012 Posts: 190
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    jenzie wrote: »
    and back to the bolton household ..... sansa's look of unbelievable HAAAAAAATRED towards roose when they met, then only protocol making her snap out of that and greet him!

    that place is gonna erupt soon .....

    man this episode was the best in a LONG WHILE!

    Absolutely agree - some of the plotting was intense, and that phrase ...." Welcome back my lady - the North remembers"
  • RebelScumRebelScum Posts: 16,008
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    Re Sansa already being married; I'm not sure but I'm guessing there are factors that could (potentially) render her first marriage annulled. The marriage was never consummated, Sansa is still a virgin. Also (again, just guessing) but perhaps Tyrion's current status may also play a part in allowing the marriage to be annulled. He is an outlaw and he's been stripped of his titles, wealth etc.
  • varsasvarsas Posts: 1,695
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    Malliday wrote: »
    I don't think he does. I don't think he really cares one bit for Sansa either.

    She's just another pawn for him to sacrifice in his quest for power.

    But we might finally see some pangs of guilt or humanity if anything happens to Sansa at the hands of Ramsay.
    I do think he does care for her, in lieu of Catelyn, but you're also right that she's a pawn for him too.
    blitzben85 wrote: »
    I know the Night's Watch are neutral but have a feeling Mr Snow can have some sort of pull with the northern folk.
    The problem with that is that a large number of his 'brothers' will not take kindly to any alliance. As with Dany's situation it'll be interesting to see how he handles the politics.
    I'm worried - worried that if the writers stop caring about the last five main characters I'll just stop caring about the whole programme.
    Who are the last five? It's not like the writers have deliberately killed characters for the fun of it; they've been following an existing story for the most part regarding the major characters. I doubt they'll kill all the remaining main characters from the start of the series off.
    sradia wrote: »
    Apologies if this has been asked before, I haven't read all of the thread, but how can a character who is already married to somebody else get married again. while the first husband is still very much alive?
    RebelScum wrote: »
    Re Sansa already being married; I'm not sure but I'm guessing there are factors that could (potentially) render her first marriage annulled. The marriage was never consummated, Sansa is still a virgin. Also (again, just guessing) but perhaps Tyrion's current status may also play a part in allowing the marriage to be annulled. He is an outlaw and he's been stripped of his titles, wealth etc.
    Littlefinger specifically referred to her not having consummated making it possible for Ramsey to marry her.

    However as the original scene played out at her arrival, I'm sure that Ramsey's female friend isn't too happy about the situation.

    Double trouble for Sansa :(
  • CD93CD93 Posts: 13,939
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    Addisonian wrote: »
    Nice to see Jorah return - I bet he's been at that brothel practically every night since he was exiled so could drool over that **** who was dressed as Danaerys :D

    Game of Thrones finally evolved in to it's final form - it's own porn parody.
  • BermondseybrickBermondseybrick Posts: 1,256
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    That scene between cercei and Margery was hair raising the tension behind all those kind words was palpable ... You could feel the hate ....

    If I was tommen I'd have mummy on a ship to casterly rock ASAP ... Anything to keep me in Margery's good books ;)
  • YuffieYuffie Posts: 9,864
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    That scene between cercei and Margery was hair raising the tension behind all those kind words was palpable ... You could feel the hate ....

    If I was tommen I'd have mummy on a ship to casterly rock ASAP ... Anything to keep me in Margery's good books ;)

    Margery was excellent in that episode. From her "innocently" asking Tommen questions about Cersai and Casterly Rock to her chat with Cersai.

    And asking Cersai what should she be called now. Ooooohh Margery you sexy devil. Tommen is one lucky bastard.
  • Old Man 43Old Man 43 Posts: 6,214
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    Lets see:-

    Sansa is a red-haired virgin who was a gentle if naive child. However found herself trapped in situation (after the death of her father, mother & brother) where at any moment she could be executed on some pretext.

    From this adversity she has learned to play the game with an attempt to survive and perhaps place herself in a position of power. At the same time trying to avoid getting married or (if she does not consummating the marriage).

    Another interesting is the rise of a new puritan religion in the seven kingdoms.

    Now, as the author of GoT was inspired by the Tudor period of English history, who do you think Sansa might be based on.

    Hint:-
    The real historical person became Queen.


    I maybe wrong but the parallels are there.
  • Serial LurkerSerial Lurker Posts: 10,763
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    varsas wrote: »
    However as the original scene played out at her arrival, I'm sure that Ramsey's female friend isn't too happy about the situation.

    Double trouble for Sansa :(

    Roose will make it clear to Ramsay that Sansa isn't to be harmed, she's too valuable to them. Ramsay's girlfriend might be a different matter though. I reckon she'll try and harm/kill Sansa, and Ramsay will "punish" her for it, maybe trying to get Sansa involved in it, which is when she'll find out that oopsie daisy I'm betrothed to a psycho again, what am I like?!
  • Arwen_EvenstarArwen_Evenstar Posts: 801
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    sradia wrote: »
    Apologies if this has been asked before, I haven't read all of the thread, but how can a character who is already married to somebody else get married again. while the first husband is still very much alive?

    Little finger mentioned this to Roose, she is a virgin, marriage wasn't consummated, in the eyes of the law she is no man's wife.

    Added to which no one in Westeros knows he is actually alive.

    Added again he is currently a criminal.

    Strong case for having the marriage annulled!

    One would hope Ramsay would honour his wife and save everything else for his mistress, but when it comes to him I doubt it :(
  • YuffieYuffie Posts: 9,864
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    Poor Ramsey. He seemed genuinely smitten with Samsa.
  • BatchBatch Posts: 3,344
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    ... Daenarys, Tyrion, Sansa, Jon and Arya.

    I'm worried - worried that if the writers stop caring about the last five main characters I'll just stop caring about the whole programme.

    Part of its appeal to me is that I don't have a clue who is getting it next. I don't really want to lose any of those, well maybe Sansa, but I could happen couldn't it. After the Red Wedding anything could.

    But then again its TV. They may well shy away from alienating viewers. Who knows.
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    I liked the way Jon Snow beheaded the voice of dissent against the pleas of clemency, just as Daenerys did last week. We know that it backfired on Daenerys, but we don't know whether the same thing will happen to Jon Snow.

    He may lose the respect of his men, join up with the wildlings and lead them into battle. Surely that's how it'll eventually end, an all out mass battle. And ultimately there can be only one winner in the game of thrones...
  • Shawn_LunnShawn_Lunn Posts: 9,353
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    I liked that episode. Maybe the best one we've had so far.

    Sansa having to marry Ramsay is not a good thing unless it's used as a means for her to avenge Cat and Robb's deaths. Here's a hoping.

    Cersei is so going to regret getting in contact with that High Sparrow guy. You can just tell she won't be able to control him.

    Loving the scenes with Margaery working her magic to try and faze Cersei out by putting the Casterly Rock idea in Tommen's head as well.

    Brienne and Podrick's scenes were great. I loved seeing her opening up this week about her past.

    Arya's scenes in Braavos were also great this week. I'm really enjoying this arc for her.

    More Varys/Tyrion moments please. Loved the last moment where Jorah captured Tyrion for all the good it'll do him though.

    The wall stuff was the least interesting but hey, at least they killed off Janos Slynt. Best thing Jon's done in a while to be honest, 9/10
  • varsasvarsas Posts: 1,695
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    Batch wrote: »
    I liked the way Jon Snow beheaded the voice of dissent against the pleas of clemency, just as Daenerys did last week. We know that it backfired on Daenerys, but we don't know whether the same thing will happen to Jon Snow.

    He may lose the respect of his men, join up with the wildlings and lead them into battle. Surely that's how it'll eventually end, an all out mass battle. And ultimately there can be only one winner in the game of thrones...

    A good comparison, I think that Jon will likely have more respect from his men especially since Janos Slynt was such a coward and admitted it at his death.
  • Serial LurkerSerial Lurker Posts: 10,763
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    Jon learned from Ned - whoever passes the sentence should swing the sword. Daenerys meanwhile couldn't even look.
  • ThrombinThrombin Posts: 9,416
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    gilesb wrote: »
    Something a little uncomfortable about 33 year old Natalie Dormer and the actor playing Tommen, who i think is 17. Why didn't they cast a younger actress to play Marjory? It just doesn't work no matter how good an actress Natalie is.

    Surely, that's the point though. She's marrying him for the power not for his sexual suitability. She has to suffer sleeping with a kid to hold the throne. All part of Westeros politics.
    jenzie wrote: »
    and who the bloody hell Is under that cloth in ..... I JUST READ ON GoTwiki who it is!!!!!

    we can rebuild him :D

    I haven't read any spoilers but I thought it was pretty obvious that it's the Mountain. We saw last season the Maester working on bringing him back.
    and arys couldn't have thrown the needle into the water ..... not for ANYTHING! almost heartbreaking to see her face while thinking about it

    I was happy she didn't. I'm not keen on the idea of her giving up her identity to become a faceless one and this holds out a bit of hope that she won't be fully commited to that path.
    I wonder if Littlefinger liked the stunt that Roose Bolton pulled on him? If he cares for Sansa then surely he has another plan that we don't know about at the moment. After all, the Boltons do flay folk / murdered her brother! Or it could be the case, that he doesn't care as Malliday points out.

    He did tell her to think about revenge. Seems to me the whole point is to infiltrate the Boltons so she can betray them.
  • circlebro2019circlebro2019 Posts: 17,560
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    i think if marjorie was a DS forum member she would have received many warnings by now because that girl can troll!
  • sradiasradia Posts: 940
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    Thanks for clearing up why Sansa can marry again, although I must admit I am still harbouring hope that Sansa and Tyrion will live happily ever after together :blush:
  • TyjetTyjet Posts: 8,509
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    The explanation for why Sansa can marry again was a complete hand-wave on behalf of the writers as far as I'm concerned. Whether it was consummated or not, Sansa and Tyrion are still married since neither of them have sought an annulment. Only the High Septon can annul a marriage.

    Not that either of them could obviously. Tyrion is guilty of regicide and Sansa is wanted for regicide, so.
  • EraserheadEraserhead Posts: 22,016
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    I agree with the sentiment here, excellent episode. Light on action but full of intrigue, particularly between the Margery / Cersei dynamic and with Sansa and Littlefinger. I definitely think that Sansa is now well aware that any alliance she has with the Boltons will be scuppered by Baelish's backstabbing ways. He only cares for his own ambitions and will turn on Roose and Ramsay, especially if they end up clashing with Stannis at some point.

    I'm glad Arya couldn't quite give up Needle. It's the last thing which ties her to her past and to her family.

    And so pleased to see Janos lose his head. I thought for a second that Jon would show mercy but when he started snivelling I knew he was for the chop!

    I'm not sure what Cersei's game is with the Sparrows. I guess she's desperate for any allies now but I fear this won't end well for her.
  • ThrombinThrombin Posts: 9,416
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    Tyjet wrote: »
    The explanation for why Sansa can marry again was a complete hand-wave on behalf of the writers as far as I'm concerned. Whether it was consummated or not, Sansa and Tyrion are still married since neither of them have sought an annulment. Only the High Septon can annul a marriage.
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    In the North they don't worship the Seven so why should they care about the High Septon?

    In any case, you're assuming facts not in evidence. The Laws of Westeros are whatever the writers say they are so you can't say the writers are wrong about the laws when they're the ones inventing them!
  • Rocket QueenRocket Queen Posts: 1,224
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    Can someone please refresh my memory why Jorah was exiled?
  • CorwinCorwin Posts: 16,588
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    Can someone please refresh my memory why Jorah was exiled?

    He sold Poachers he captured on his land as slaves (instead of sending them to the Wall).

    He needed the money to keep his wife (a noble from a powerful southern House) in the manner to which she was accustomed.
  • ItHasPotentialItHasPotential Posts: 7,817
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    Can someone please refresh my memory why Jorah was exiled?

    because of what he done
  • RebelScumRebelScum Posts: 16,008
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    Can someone please refresh my memory why Jorah was exiled?
    He's been exiled a couple of times now. The first time is as explained in post #374, the second time was last a season when Daenerys exiled him after it came to light that he'd been spying on her for King Robert during the early seasons.
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