Why is marriage dying?

Demonia90Demonia90 Posts: 195
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Article from Dailymail
George Clooney, Benedict Cumberbatch and Eddie Redmayne may have all taken the plunge recently — but they are a diminishing band of brothers, for the number of men marrying in the West has plunged in recent decades.
The state of matrimony is not just ailing. It is dying out faster than a mobile phone battery.
According to the Office for National Statistics, marriage in Britain is at its lowest level since 1895. In 2011, there were just 286,634 ceremonies — a 41 per cent free fall from 1972, when 480,285 couples tied the knot.
For an army of women, Mr Right is simply not there, no matter how hard they look for him. And the reason? When it comes to marriage, men are on strike.
Why? Because the rewards are far less than they used to be, while the cost and dangers it presents are far greater.
‘Ultimately, men know there’s a good chance they’ll lose their friends, their respect, their space, their sex life, their money and — if it all goes wrong — their family,’ says Dr Helen Smith, author of Why Men Are Boycotting Marriage, Fatherhood And The American Dream.
‘They don’t want to enter into a legal contract with someone who could effectively take half their savings, pension and property when the honeymoon period is over.
‘Men aren’t wimping out by staying unmarried or being commitment phobes. They’re being smart.’
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  • BigAndy99BigAndy99 Posts: 3,277
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    Greed and selfishness.

    And you are far better off financially having a bunch of kids but just living down the road from their father(s).

    Rape the hard working taxpayer.

    But of course, "it's all legal", "it's their money they can do what they want with it" and "it's the government's fault".
  • BastardBeaverBastardBeaver Posts: 11,903
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    If less men are getting married then surely less women are too?
  • dearmrmandearmrman Posts: 21,515
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    Because it's an incredible waste of money for a bit of meaningless paper.
  • TrollHunterTrollHunter Posts: 12,496
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    Because it's an out-dated tradition that belongs in the 20th century?
  • gulliverfoylegulliverfoyle Posts: 6,318
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    because women can come back to you for money even if your divorced for decades
  • BigAndy99BigAndy99 Posts: 3,277
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    dearmrman wrote: »
    Because it's an incredible waste of money for a bit of meaningless paper.

    The paper has nothing to do with it - that's the point.

    But your opinion is probably what a large number of people think so it is no wonder people don't get married.

    As i said above, it's all about the money now - the self, the greed, the "i want it all and i want it now".
  • dearmrmandearmrman Posts: 21,515
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    BigAndy99 wrote: »
    The paper has nothing to do with it - that's the point.

    But your opinion is probably what a large number of people think so it is no wonder people don't get married.

    As i said above, it's all about the money now - the self, the greed, the "i want it all and i want it now".

    I assume you are talking about the venues, churches, catering, cakes etc...which are marked up and exploit the situation of getting married.
  • BigAndy99BigAndy99 Posts: 3,277
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    dearmrman wrote: »
    I assume you are talking about the venues, churches, catering, cakes etc...which are marked up and exploit the situation of getting married.

    That's one part of it.

    The other part is the people - they don't get married because the marriage itself costs money and i do believe being married, or even living together costs money.
  • Dare DevilDare Devil Posts: 118,737
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    The only reason to get married is so the law is on your side in case of split or death. That's it.
  • BigAndy99BigAndy99 Posts: 3,277
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    Dare Devil wrote: »
    The only reason to get married is so the law is on your side in case of split or death. That's it.

    Marriage does nothing of the sort. I think most Western countries have that covered by laws without getting married.

    Maybe some people marry because they think it shows they love each other and want to show the other they are dedicated to them for the rest of their lives.
  • Hollie_LouiseHollie_Louise Posts: 39,987
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    BigAndy99 wrote: »
    Marriage does nothing of the sort. I think most Western countries have that covered by laws without getting married.

    Maybe some people marry because they think it shows they love each other and want to show the other they are dedicated to them for the rest of their lives.

    It's sad people think it takes a piece of paper and a ring to show that.
  • dearmrmandearmrman Posts: 21,515
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    BigAndy99 wrote: »
    Marriage does nothing of the sort. I think most Western countries have that covered by laws without getting married.

    Maybe some people marry because they think it shows they love each other and want to show the other they are dedicated to them for the rest of their lives.

    True...but then again you don't need marriage to prove that, those that think that must be quiet insecure.
  • Pumping IronPumping Iron Posts: 29,891
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    Jesus, only on DS would people think you're sad or insecure for wanting to get married! :D
  • Pisces CloudPisces Cloud Posts: 30,239
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    I think it's never been easier for both men and women to not get married if they don't want to. Especially, with regards to women who have more financial freedom now. That pressure of the past is fast diminishing.
  • dearmrmandearmrman Posts: 21,515
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    Jesus, only on DS would people think you're sad or insecure for wanting to get married! :D

    Re read and you will realise that is not what is been said.
  • boddismboddism Posts: 16,436
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    Demonia90 wrote: »
    Marriage is obsolete. Over 40% of them end in failure and that percentage is rising. How long till it gets to 50%??
    Also-serial monogamy is the norm these days-people have a handful of serious relationships throughout their lives, this is the new norm.

    I know people on their 4th marriages. Isn't marriage supposed to be for life??!
    All this marriage-divorce-marriage-divorce-marriage-divorce activity makes a total mockery of the concept.
    Spare yourself all the angst of the whole rigmarole and DONT BOTHER!!
    I know happy couples who've been together for decades & aren't married. It's a big party at the end of the day, a title you have & to most doesn't mean much more than that.
  • Keiō LineKeiō Line Posts: 12,979
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    I think its easier to look at it from the other end.

    People used to get married (and stay married) because they had to. This is no longer the case.

    I wonder what would happen if people prior to the 1950s had the choice. It is interesting to note how many of the rich lived apart and openly had lovers.
  • Bulletguy1Bulletguy1 Posts: 18,429
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    Because it's an out-dated tradition that belongs in the 20th century?
    The Gay activists and their supporters will vehemently disagree with you on that!
  • bluebladeblueblade Posts: 88,859
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    Marriage is dying because when you look at it, there's really not much in for you except all give and a load of hassle. Massively high expectations of me, compared to very low rate of return from the marriage partner or potential marriage partner. Leastways, that's the way I've always experienced relationships - ultimately highly critical of all I do.

    Not for me, sorry. I'm quite happy single. I can please myself, don't have to make compromises and don't have to continually try and live up to ludicrously high expectations.
  • Dare DevilDare Devil Posts: 118,737
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    BigAndy99 wrote: »
    Marriage does nothing of the sort. I think most Western countries have that covered by laws without getting married.

    Maybe some people marry because they think it shows they love each other and want to show the other they are dedicated to them for the rest of their lives.

    With or without being married you can live together, go on holiday together, have the same name, have pets, have a family, share a car, have joint bank account(s), buy a house together.

    However, if you are not marriage the partner is not automatic next of kin, is not entitled to a settlement in case of split and is not entitled to make end of life/medical decisions due to not being automatic next of kin. Also, thanks to the tories, if you are married, you get a tax a break too. So it's also about money.

    As I said, marriage is all about the law and the legal security you get from it.
  • LyricalisLyricalis Posts: 57,958
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    Bulletguy1 wrote: »
    The Gay activists and their supporters will vehemently disagree with you on that!

    They wanted equality. That doesn't mean that all gay couples want to get married. They just want the option to do so if they wish.
  • MichellerlzMichellerlz Posts: 538
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    BigAndy99 wrote: »
    Greed and selfishness.

    And you are far better off financially having a bunch of kids but just living down the road from their father(s).

    Rape the hard working taxpayer.

    But of course, "it's all legal", "it's their money they can do what they want with it" and "it's the government's fault".

    I'm not married and I don't live down the road from my kids father, we live together in our own home, we don't "rape" the tax payer or claim any benefits whatsoever, your very presumptuous tarring everyone with the same brush.
    Although we are engaged and plan to marry.
  • miss_astridmiss_astrid Posts: 1,808
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    I don't know why it's dying out, but it's kind of sad. My grandparents, whom I idolise, have been married for nearly 50 years. I aspire to be in such a secure and committed relationship like they are.

    I plan to get married in the future to my partner, but we are in no rush. We're going to get married because we love each other, that's it really. We don't need the ring and the piece of paper to prove we love each other, but it'll be a nice day for the family regardless. :)
  • Hollie_LouiseHollie_Louise Posts: 39,987
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    BigAndy99 wrote: »
    Greed and selfishness.

    And you are far better off financially having a bunch of kids but just living down the road from their father(s).

    Rape the hard working taxpayer.

    But of course, "it's all legal", "it's their money they can do what they want with it" and "it's the government's fault".

    That's a very wide brush you're tarring people with.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 68,508
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    There is no reason to suppose that women want to get married and men won't. Marriage has become class-related: the more financially stable someone is, the more likely they are to get married. It is people with nothing to lose that don't get married; marriage rates are lowest of all among the long-term unemployed, who are presumably not in a panic in case someone asks for a share of their nothing.
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