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Tories block drugs reform

AneechikAneechik Posts: 20,208
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30611157
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/dec/26/norman-baker-reveals-drugs-proposals-theresa-may-stripped-from-report

Norman Baker has just revealed that the recent Home Office drugs report was censored of recommendations by Theresa May.
1. Promoting the use of cannabis-based medicines, by removing the barrier to their development and allowing them to be prescribed for a range of conditions.

2. Piloting a system used in Portugal, where drug use has been decriminalised, which involves “dissuasion commissions” assessing drug users and diverting them from the criminal justice system and into treatment.

3. Encouraging more long-term heroin addicts to seek treatment involving clinically supervised diamorphine injections.

Anyone surprised?
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    kerrminatorkerrminator Posts: 618
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    nope lol. after the ''conference'' it was shown they still like a 'hard line'
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    ElectraElectra Posts: 55,660
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    Aneechik wrote: »
    Blinkered idiots. I suspect they may have misjudged the nation's mood on this one. Even the ones who read the Mail.
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    allaortaallaorta Posts: 19,050
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    Aneechik wrote: »

    No, I'm encouraged by their stance, it may be one of the only sensible things they're committed to.
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    Ethel_FredEthel_Fred Posts: 34,127
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    allaorta wrote: »
    No, I'm encouraged by their stance, it may be one of the only sensible things they're committed to.
    Ah, this is obviously some strange use of the word sensible that I wasn't previously aware of.
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    bluebladeblueblade Posts: 88,859
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    Aneechik wrote: »

    No, but disappointed nonetheless. I think cannabis, at least, should be legalised if only as a pain relief agent.
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    AneechikAneechik Posts: 20,208
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    Electra wrote: »
    Blinkered idiots. I suspect they may have misjudged the nation's mood on this one. Even the ones who read the Mail.

    There have been a few opinion polls recently that suggest the public are more comfortable with reform than the political elite are.

    http://www.tdpf.org.uk/campaign/changing-public-opinion
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 4,074
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    Why should I believe what a LibDem MP ex government ministers who publicly stated he did not get along with May says about May, over what the government and the home office says as far as what was contained in the draft report. And why when he resigned on the 3rd of November has he wait until the 26th December when presumably May and the many civil servants at the home office are on holliday to reveal this.
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    Jol44Jol44 Posts: 21,048
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    Those 'liberal' Tories at work again.
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    SULLASULLA Posts: 149,789
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    A better title.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 4,074
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    Aneechik wrote: »
    There have been a few opinion polls recently that suggest the public are more comfortable with reform than the political elite are.

    http://www.tdpf.org.uk/campaign/changing-public-opinion
    If you go to the poll it indicates public opposition to drug reform not support.
    Question one on the poll was for a small quantity for pesonal use to be decriminalised and instead be punished with fines, attendance at a drug treatment or education programme.
    68 people 14% of those polled for it.
    102 people 21% of those polled thought it was worth a time and area limited trial to see how effective it was.
    286 people 60% of people supporting no change in the law.
    30 people 4% were Other.
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    GreatGodPanGreatGodPan Posts: 53,186
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    SULLA wrote: »
    A better title.

    What drug do you "abuse"?

    Alcohol? Coffee? Tobacco?
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    Jol44Jol44 Posts: 21,048
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    SULLA wrote: »
    A better title.

    Are they banning alcohol or something?
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    tim59tim59 Posts: 47,188
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    SULLA wrote: »
    A better title.

    Dont think its about going soft on drugs, its about still sticking to a system that has not worked, is not working and will not work, the war on drugs was lost along time ago, and nothing has been gained for all the billions of pounds spent, and trillions of man hours that has not gained a thing, it is time to look at the whole drug issue again and keep a open mind while every ave is looked into.
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    Ethel_FredEthel_Fred Posts: 34,127
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    tim59 wrote: »
    Dont think its about going soft on drugs, its about still sticking to a system that has not worked, is not working and will not work
    "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
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    OLD HIPPY GUYOLD HIPPY GUY Posts: 28,199
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    blueblade wrote: »
    No, but disappointed nonetheless. I think cannabis, at least, should be legalised if only as a pain relief agent.

    It might have been possible if all the major pharmaceutical billion pound/dollar profit making companies didn't have so much invested in far more expensive methods of producing effective pain medication, We certainly can't have an effective medicinal drug that could be grown by your average granny in her greenhouse now could we?
    What would that do to all that luverly profit that the drug companies are only ever interested in?
    Hell, can you imagine what would happen tomorrow if someone came up with a way of turning water into an effective fuel for the internal combustion engine? I can almost guarantee that within weeks there would be undeniable proof that it causes cancer and/or destroys the environment.
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    OLD HIPPY GUYOLD HIPPY GUY Posts: 28,199
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    SULLA wrote: »
    A better title.

    Hello, 1975 just called, they would like their propaganda back, some of us have moved on, some of us have become better informed, some of us have learned to see through the BS, some of us know far better than to automatically accept what we are instructed to believe.
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    DaccoDacco Posts: 3,354
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    Electra wrote: »
    Blinkered idiots. I suspect they may have misjudged the nation's mood on this one. Even the ones who read the Mail.

    I think they have judged the nations mood accurately, we can't control the use of alcohol let alone these..... Only thing the Westminster simpletons have got right.
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    Jim_McIntoshJim_McIntosh Posts: 5,866
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    We're still too backward then. No surprise really. Give it 5 years.
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    GTR DavoGTR Davo Posts: 4,573
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    Ban alcohol then! I remember being in clubs where everyone was on ecstasy you wouldn't see any of those beating the hell out of someone like they would paralytic on booze! ridiculous decision but I'm not surprised.
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    Jellied EelJellied Eel Posts: 33,091
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    Dacco wrote: »
    I think they have judged the nations mood accurately, we can't control the use of alcohol let alone these.....

    If you can't beat it, tax it!

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11313327/Britain-edges-past-France-on-world-stage.html

    UK economy, boosted by the inclusion of sex and drugs in national accounts, overtakes France by a whisker to become the world's fifth largest economy

    Given the subject, are they sure it was a whisker? But lots of potential tax uncollected (even though the EU is going to tax us) and legalising would remove the criminal elements and improve safety.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 8,916
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    UK economy, boosted by the inclusion of sex and drugs in national accounts, overtakes France by a whisker to become the world's fifth largest economy

    Given the subject, are they sure it was a whisker?

    It was curly, so was probably something else.
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    AndyCopenAndyCopen Posts: 2,213
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    Socialists seem to want to drug every one up. I suppose it makes living in a socialist dystopia more bearable
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    niceguy1966niceguy1966 Posts: 29,560
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    AndyCopen wrote: »
    Socialists seem to want to drug every one up. I suppose it makes living in a socialist dystopia more bearable

    It's about freedom of choice, small government and reducing the nanny state. The right should be all for it.
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    Jellied EelJellied Eel Posts: 33,091
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    It's about freedom of choice, small government and reducing the nanny state. The right should be all for it.

    Don't forget money!

    But currently we have illegal drugs and prostitution with little in the way of safety, doseage, quality control or even kids eating/snorting/smoking mystery 'legal highs'. With no idea of the content, or long term effects. And no money from licences, duty, taxes etc to pay for any of the harm caused or policing.
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    Ethel_FredEthel_Fred Posts: 34,127
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    UK economy, boosted by the inclusion of sex and drugs in national accounts, overtakes France by a whisker to become the world's fifth largest economy
    That must really piss off the French
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