HD radio in the uk

MGBCTVMGBCTV Posts: 1,380
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What progress has there been in the development of HD radio in the UK and does anyone think it will ever take off.

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  • BollardBollard Posts: 3,421
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    HD radio is a digital signal broadcast alongside the analogue FM signal is it not? If so, it is not necessary in the UK as we have DAB on a separate band.
  • Gerry1Gerry1 Posts: 4,222
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    MGBCTV wrote: »
    What progress has there been in the development of HD radio in the UK...
    None.
    MGBCTV wrote: »
    ... and does anyone think it will ever take off.
    No.

    It hasn't taken off even in the USA. There are few HD transmissions, and they're mostly simulcasts or minority interest programming.

    http://www.ibiquity.com/social/hdradioguide2.html

    Bear in HD-1 will only be a simulcast (so nothing new there) and stations below 92.1 MHz are University / PBS / NPR / religious etc so of mostly minority appeal.

    Unlike the UK where supermarkets and stores are full of DAB radios, I can't remember ever having seen an HD radio on display over there. Similarly, although I've had a rental car with satellite radio, I've never had one with an HD radio fitted. On AM, HD causes interference on adjacent channels and is restricted at night.

    Technically, the USA likes to do its own thing but they often end up as lemons that few others adopt. Think 525 lines, NTSC (Never Twice the Same Colour), 1900MHz mobiles, 120V 60Hz etc. Even 120V isn't completely standard because cookers and tumble driers use 240V.

    They still haven't invented Chip & PIN, high-intensity rear foglights or roundabouts either... :D

    As we've had DAB transmissions for nearly 20 years, there's zero chance of HD radio ever starting in the UK.
  • PhilipSPhilipS Posts: 825
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    MGBCTV wrote: »
    What progress has there been in the development of HD radio in the UK and does anyone think it will ever take off.

    As others have said, none. HD is a marketing name and does not mean high definition - in fact, it's just as subject to low bit rates and other criticsms as DAB. I do, actually, own an HD portable - it makes me very glad to get back to DAB!
  • Colin_LondonColin_London Posts: 12,716
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    If the OP is talking about the Ibiquity IBOC proprietary technology, then (thankfully) none. It is a non-optimal dated technology aimed at maintaining the US broadcast spectrum market.

    If they are talking generically then high(er) definition radio broadcasts are available via the internet. BBC Radio 3 is available at 320kbps AAC to Internet radios.
  • AmaraAmara Posts: 5,376
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    Can't see the point of it at all.
  • HaggisSupperHaggisSupper Posts: 230
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    As mentioned in earlier posts about what the Yanks call 'HD Radio' - its NOT "High Defintition" it stands for 'Hybrid Digital' and its a patented system and stations have to pay licence fees to use it whether the AM or FM versions. Its no better than DAB. but simply doesnt take up a whole separate waveband. Just 'because it digital ...'

    It also 'piggy-backs' out on to the sidebands of the primary signal hence expression 'IBOC ha sh' to describe the edge-of-pulse-generated interference that leaks everywhere around a channel especially on AM.

    Remmeber too that in the USA theres a bigger gap between FM channels they are only on oddnumbered frequencies - e.g. 101.1 but never 101.2 so they have more bandwidth for HD-1 HD-2 and even HD-3 in lessening bitrates outwards hanging on to WXXX-FM.

    It wont be coming here ever - unless someone at the top receives a bung. Thats surely never happened has it? :o
  • hanssolohanssolo Posts: 22,662
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    There is another system called Digital radio mondaile (DRM) that works very similar to HD in the AM and VHF FM bands, but has solved some of HD radio's problems, tests have been going on in several countries, including the US, for a long time, but DRM has never gained widespread use.

    But the latest generation of DAB/FM chipsets will also support HD and DRM,
    http://www.radioworld.com/article/single-chip-receivers-open-the-way-for-conversion-to-dab-drm/270749
    so there is renewed interest in DRM radio, especially for small stations and international broadcasters in India and South Africa. It could also replace HD radio in the US?
    But the DRM name can get confused with digital rights rather than radio!.
    Notice a test was done in Germany where DAB+ and DRM+ co existed.
    http://www.drm.org/drm-and-dab-side-by-side-at-german-symposium/
  • buglawtonbuglawton Posts: 1,258
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    How long before we get an aerial connected to a generic RF stage connected to a totally programmable software receiver? So it covers all current and future standards.
  • lundavralundavra Posts: 31,790
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    buglawton wrote: »
    How long before we get an aerial connected to a generic RF stage connected to a totally programmable software receiver? So it covers all current and future standards.

    Close to that now with SDR.
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