Terence Crutcher - shot dead by police
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A Tulsa police officer shot and killed an African American man who ignored repeated requests to put up his hands before reaching into an SUV that was stalled in the middle of a street, the police department said.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/17/tulsa-oklahoma-police-shooting-suv
and then video emerges...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dr_CWr5iSLY
The video, as well as disturbing footage from a police helicopter, appears to back up his family's assertion that his hands were in the air at all times.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37413558
An unarmed black man killed by a white Oklahoma police officer can be seen on video walking away from officers and toward his SUV with his hands up before he approaches the driver’s side door, where he drops to the ground after being shocked with a stun gun and then fatally shot.
In Tulsa, the police helicopter footage was among several clips released on Monday showing the shooting of 40-year-old Terence Crutcher and its aftermath. A man in the helicopter that arrives above the scene as Crutcher walks to the vehicle can be heard saying: “Time for a Taser.” He then says: “That looks like a bad dude, too. Probably on something.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/19/tulsa-oklahoma-terence-crutcher-police-shooting
It will be interesting to see the responses on here to this one.
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I'll probably be accused of victim blaming (and by no means do I say this dude deserved to get shot), but in todays climate, why would you walk away from four armed cops like that?
**I reserve the right to change my opinion if more evidence comes out.
I agree about his arms being up, until he gets to the car when it's hard to see. Either way, it says they tasered him. Why shoot?
I'd agree with you actually. Obviously it should go without saying in ten foot high letters that you shouldn't have to behave like that because the police shouldn't be shooting you, but surely common sense should be telling you to protect yourself by complying with their instructions and even kneeling and not moving - anything like that - and not walking away from them, even with your hands in the air.
I know even not moving can still get you shot in some states, but at least try to protect yourself.
The fact they shot him and then just left him there on the floor is so sad. In the time they spent slowly shuffling back to their vehicles, they could have been administering first aid.
In America, if a trigger happy policeman is pointing a gun at you, best to do what he says, whatever your colour or race.
That said, if they shot him while he was on the floor after being tasered, it's inexcusable.
To be honest, just watching the video it almost looks like they asked him to get something from his car, the way they just let him move towards it and follow him like sheep.
^ bingo. if they shot him because he reached into the car, why lie and say it's because he refused to put his hands up? the fact they've been caught out lying massively calls their credibility into question. that they just left him there after shooting him does the same for their sense of humanity.
but hey let's continue trying to shift some of the responsibility onto the victim...
At 18 seconds in on the YouTube video, you can see him put his hands down and reach for or in the car.
Yeah that certainly looks like what's happened. But then if they've asked him to fetch something from his car, why then taser him ?. And then, obviously, shoot him ?.
I suppose you can envisage a trigger happy officer who's terrified of black people and was probably so scared that she fired anyway.
It's just so ridiculously senseless. Again.
why was the reason given for shooting him fabricated?
I know, I've seen the video. I'm saying he would have been asked for his license and registration, so my assumption is that that is what he was getting from his vehicle. We know he was unarmed and there was no weapon in his car, so I think my assumption is a fair one to make.
I'm not defending them, I'm just saying the video shows that he didn't have his hands up when they tasered/ shot him.
That could quite possible be what happened, but why then shoot him if he was only doing as requested ?
Have you got a citation or any quotes for that?
It's in the very first link the OP posted
whats your take on it ?
Quote it directly, please, because I don't see such a claim in any of the links the OP has provided.
Watching the full dash video it makes it look far worst. I cannot see any reason he was shot from this angle. What is worst is they take 5 minutes before going to his aid. Cops in the USA seriously need some training. They should not be carrying guns by default they should only be given to highly trained cops.
The helicopter footage is clearer, but it's still difficult to tell exactly why they opened fire rather than simply tazered him.
I'm starting to think it was just a terrible mistake by an officer who f**ked up massively under pressure.
On the helicopter footage you can see that when he gets back to his car he puts his hands down, and you can clearly see the cops take a step back. They obviously weren't expecting him to do that.
He never puts his hands up again and appears (although I'm not certain) to be rummaging in his pockets. Perhaps looking for his car keys to open the car door? It's not clear.
It's about 10 seconds between him putting his hands down and them apparently opening fire, when he slumps to the ground. The call of shots fired is then heard 5 or 6 seconds after that on the helicopter footage.
One thing I would like to point out is that this video completely undermines the claims that he was shot despite having his hands in the air. That doesn't mean I'm saying it was justified; just that the rush to report the shooting as far and wide as possible before the facts have been established has once again popularised a falsehood.
Yeah, that won't fly. You aren't going to get many recruits for a job where you have to regularly approach strangers in a country with nearly 300 million guns and serious gang and gun crime problems if they're not even afforded the means to defend themselves.
40 cops have been shot dead this year so far, despite them all being armed. You could probably put that figure in triple digits by disarming your average cop.
Probably wouldn't even be considered lawful.
sorry for snipping the rest of your post but i genuinely think thats one of the reasons for alot of these shootings rather than anything inherently racist