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Should child benefit stop being paid after the second child?

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    MTUK1MTUK1 Posts: 20,077
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    Mesostim wrote: »
    So having children could then be a privelege of the rich? That's nice.

    Nobody has a divine right to a child rich or poor.
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    Pumping IronPumping Iron Posts: 29,891
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    Pull2Open wrote: »
    What is the risk you speak of?

    The risk is that you are far more likely to have children if you don't use contraception, compared to if you do.
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    annette kurtenannette kurten Posts: 39,543
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    Already been through this :)

    i missed it.

    what`s the plan b then?
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    Pull2OpenPull2Open Posts: 15,138
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    Gilbertoo wrote: »
    Tough it out?

    We're talking £20 a week here. So what should happen if after receiving £20 a week, they still can't afford it?

    So the child suffers for simply being born. Anywsy previous posters have already argued that it isn't just £20, once you take into consideration other expenses like NHS costs are involved. How about those costs, costs of immunization programmes, health visitors, state education etc, considering all those costs, denying £20 per week is both trivial and wouldn't be worth the cost of administering its abolition.
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    boniverboniver Posts: 863
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    GOGO2 wrote: »
    Countries are judged on how it treats it's children. We already have a pretty rubbish reputation in that department so lets leave Child Benefit alone. It's such a small amount of money anyway, it'd cost more to means test it!!

    It's already means tested, they'd just need to lower the income level when you start getting tested.

    And it's not just about cutting the benefits bill, there's also an argument to limit population growth.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 25,366
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    Pull2Open wrote: »
    So the child suffers for simply being born. Anywsy previous posters have already argued that it isn't just £20, once you take into consideration other expenses like NHS costs are involved. How about those costs, costs of immunization programmes, health visitors, state education etc, considering all those costs, denying £20 per week is both trivial and wouldn't be worth the cost of administering its abolition.

    What is your solution if £20 a week isn't enough?
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    Pull2OpenPull2Open Posts: 15,138
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    The risk is that you are far more likely to have children if you don't use contraception, compared to if you do.

    By trying to make me look like a pray you make yourself look like a bigger one. You were clearly talking of financial risk of having children. Are you saying financial cost isn't the point you are making?
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    Pumping IronPumping Iron Posts: 29,891
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    i missed it.

    what`s the plan b then?

    Plan b is to take care and provide for your child like a decent parent should.
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    Pumping IronPumping Iron Posts: 29,891
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    Pull2Open wrote: »
    By trying to make me look like a pray you make yourself look like a bigger one. You were clearly talking of financial risk of having children. Are you saying financial cost isn't the point you are making?

    You've got your wires crossed. I was talking about contraception. What's a pray?
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    EvieJEvieJ Posts: 6,036
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    Plan b is to take care and provide for your child like a decent parent should.

    Money doesn't enable that PI. IMO a child is far better off in a loving home with parents and siblings and no money for luxuries than one who has everything that money can buy except love warmth and quality relationships.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 55
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    Plan b is to take care and provide for your child like a decent parent should.

    So your parents didn't accept any child benefit when you was a child? Also now that your so against it, you will now refund that money to the tax payer? Thankyou in advance, im sure more will follow your lead.
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    Pumping IronPumping Iron Posts: 29,891
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    Rebecca19 wrote: »
    So your parents didn't accept any child benefit when you was a child? Also now that your so against it, you will now refund that money to the tax payer? Thankyou in advance, im sure more will follow your lead.

    I am not against child benefit.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 25,366
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    Rebecca19 wrote: »
    So your parents didn't accept any child benefit when you was a child? Also now that your so against it, you will now refund that money to the tax payer? Thankyou in advance, im sure more will follow your lead.

    Don't be silly, that's not how it works.
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    Pumping IronPumping Iron Posts: 29,891
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    EvieJ wrote: »
    Money doesn't enable that PI. IMO a child is far better off in a loving home with parents and siblings and no money for luxuries than one who has everything that money can buy except love warmth and quality relationships.

    I agree that love is more important than money.
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    BigAndy99BigAndy99 Posts: 3,277
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    so what if someone with no children couples with someone with two children?

    or someone takes on a dead relative`s children.

    or someone has adopted some children.

    you`ve been raped, you don`t believe in abortion and have two children.

    your sterilisation fails.

    your contraceptive fails.

    and so on.


    Oh goodness, here come the outlandish examples.
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    welwynrosewelwynrose Posts: 33,666
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    Rebecca19 wrote: »
    'could' .So we just take the risk?

    Why are future generations paying for the mistakes of past and present generations?

    Why are people having children expecting the state to pick up the bill
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    BigAndy99BigAndy99 Posts: 3,277
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    Plan b is to take care and provide for your child like a decent parent should.

    That's what working parents do PI, we're dealing with selfish people who choose to be on benefits here - planning, caring and providing do not come in to it.

    Waiting until they have prepared their nest doesn't come in to it. Serious thought? No way!
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    tim59tim59 Posts: 47,188
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    BigAndy99 wrote: »
    That's what working parents do PI, we're dealing with selfish people who choose to be on benefits here - planning, caring and providing do not come in to it.

    Waiting until they have prepared their nest doesn't come in to it. Serious thought? No way!

    And of course working parents DONT claim benefits do they, and dont get state aid at all to looking after children or themselves.
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    Bulletguy1Bulletguy1 Posts: 18,429
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    tim59 wrote: »
    And of course working parents DONT claim benefits do they, and dont get state aid at all to looking after children or themselves.
    Of course they do.....but at least they are contributing to it as well.
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    mickmarsmickmars Posts: 7,438
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    YES. and it should begin exactly 1 year from today,but not include existing claimants
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    tim59tim59 Posts: 47,188
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    Bulletguy1 wrote: »
    Of course they do.....but at least they are contributing to it as well.

    What percentage of the UK's adult population is dependent on the welfare state?

    The welfare state is a big part of British family life, with 20.3 million families receiving some kind of benefit (64% of all families), about 8.7 million of them pensioners. For 9.6 million families, benefits make up more than half of their income (30% of all families), around 5.3 million of them pensioners.
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    Pull2OpenPull2Open Posts: 15,138
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    You've got your wires crossed. I was talking about contraception. What's a pray?

    why should they have to use contraception?
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    EvieJEvieJ Posts: 6,036
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    BigAndy99 wrote: »
    That's what working parents do PI, we're dealing with selfish people who choose to be on benefits here - planning, caring and providing do not come in to it.

    Waiting until they have prepared their nest doesn't come in to it. Serious thought? No way!

    Caring for children including financial support is an investment. There are many other abuses of benefits and tax avoidance etc which could be addressed without punishing children and controlling and labelling parents.
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    Pumping IronPumping Iron Posts: 29,891
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    Pull2Open wrote: »
    why should they have to use contraception?

    I'm sure you know this already, but contraception is used to prevent pregnancy. If someone doesn't want a child then it's best to use contraception. If someone does its best not to use contraception. The choice is upto them.
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    Pull2OpenPull2Open Posts: 15,138
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    I'm sure you know this already, but contraception is used to prevent pregnancy. If someone doesn't want a child then it's best to use contraception. If someone does its best not to use contraception. The choice is upto them.

    I think you're being deliberately obtuse here, and if not I apologise, but what does some wanting or not wanting children have to do with whether someone should get child benefit or not?
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