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Robin Windsor
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I like Robin but I do not understand the out cry on twitter to sign a petition to bring him back he has been on the show for 5 year's some like Trent only get to do 1 year I think that it is good to see new pro's and what they can being to the show
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I understand why the show culls dancers to keep it fresh and I won't greatly miss Robin. Based on last season's performances I probably would have dumped Brendan instead because his heart wasn't in it - the David Cameron of Strictly
James Jordan said that the producers wanted to axe Robin last year. I don't know how true that is but as time passes James seems to be quite a reliable informant so maybe Robin's cards were marked and it won't have come as too much of a surprise to him.
Hopefully as the Strictly door closes another one will open. Only Anton (and perhaps Brendan and maybe even Ola lol) can milk Strictly for as long as they want to - the rest probably need to be thinking about taking a feather out of Flavia and Vincent's cap or graduating to DWTS! Hopefully there's always Strictly Estonia or suchlike to fall back on.
He is an unselfish person and was an ideal choice (as were all the pros) for The People's Strictly.
I wish him well.
Robin seems like the loveliest guy and I suspect he will stay in the Strictly family in someway, especially if the People's Strictly returns, but I don't think he's a massive loss to the show as it is.
I think there are quite a lot of gay strictly fans - so I think perhaps Robin had a gay following and I know he's done quite a bit of gay press. And before I get slaughtered, I know that not every gay person who watches strictly will have fancied Robin or even liked him as a dancer but I reckon some would have and be disappointed that he's been dropped especially as there's no gay dancers on the show to identify with now.
Surely gay strictly fans don't need a gay pro dancer to identify with the show?
To be honest, I find that Strictly does everything by numbers and each year there is a Scottish celeb, Welsh celeb, Irish celeb, oap celeb, oversized celeb, gay celeb, asian/black celeb, etc. The tokenism goes too far. This year they're hiring a new black female pro and all I want to hear about is her fantastic dancing, not whether it's good that they've hired someone with her skin colour, or bad that they've hired someone with her skin colour, or anything else about her skin colour. Let's see her dance.
I do not totally agree with that.It depends on the individual. Robin was in the gay press and it was important to him that he had the opportunity to present a positive gay image. Similarly Otlile has danced a showdance in memory of Nelson Mandela which suggests that for her being black is important and informs her decisions. Similarly Natalie Gumede had music that were all from Black female singers, I understand that was her request
I agree with you when it is tokenism and each and every demographic is represented but if it is a matter of importance to the individual we need to know and respect that.
Or go with one extra couple (making 17 couples in all)? Thus adding to the cost of the programme (which would have had its budget set some time ago)?
Never going to happen
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Do you believe that Robin and Otile were hired out of misguided tokenism, or are you saying that's not the case (and posters/fans shouldn't be interested in anything outside of their dancing ability)?
Anyway, has there really been much discussion about Otile being black, beyond a few posts saying it's good to see? I'm not sure being primarily interested in her dancing prowess and being pleased to have a black pro on the show (after ten years) are mutually exclusive ideas.
I think we should talk about her being a good dancer. We should talk about Robin for all his qualities as a pro.
The people who say "Strictly should hire a black/gay dancer" are the first people who would get angry when someone else says "this dancer was only hired because people said the BBC should hire a black/gay dancer".
Oh I see you are a UKIP voter. it would be easier for all of us if you just said that at the begining
No not at all. If you disagree, then make a case, don't throw around insults.
I state again, anyone who says "There should be a black/gay dancer on the show" must realize they do themselves create the question "Is that dancer only there because someone demanded black/gay dancers?". One only happens because of the other.
(I'm not personally questioning the quality of these dancers, just raising a point of logic).
I'm not a UKIP voter either and I agree about having a black dancer (not so much a gay dancer!). I can just hear the producers discussing the politically correct reasons for having a black dancer. I can see Otlile being one of my favourites and can't wait to see her on the show! On YT she looks simply amazing! :cool:
As he wasn't in the main show last year - technically they were correct in only saying goodbye and thanks to Trent and Iveta, but given his involvement with People's Strictly and the Chrismas special, maybe they could (indeed SHOULD) have included him.
I for one won't miss him, let's face it pro dancers are let go virtually every series - even those who have been far more successful in the show than Robin (eg Former winners like Darren Bennet, Lilia Kopylova, Matthew Cutler Artem Chigvintsev and Camilla Dallerup, finalists Ian Waite and Erin Boag, James Jordan) have all been "fired without anywhere near the same degree of outrage from viewers, so why has Robin's firing been different?
He's had a good run on the show, got his name known to the public and he's in a position to capitalise on that - and in fairness, apart from his initial statement on the matter, he has maintained a dignified silence.
I wish him well with his career from her on, but I am looking forward to seeing the new pros take to the floor in September time!
I think there was a lot more outrage when Darren, Lilia, Matt and Ian were let go than there has been for Robin. There wasn't really for Camilla, Erin and Artem as it was obviously their decision (and Artem had a job to go to on DWTS). I think you're right that most people are more bothered that the BBC didn't thank him and that he had shown no signs of wanting to leave, rather than that people will miss him that much.
After thinking on it for a few months I'm convinced Sunetra was utterly wasted on Brendan; imagine what she could've done with a pro who was actually invested and motivated.
I dont understand it either - a petition isnt going to make the slightest bit of difference, the producers have made their decision and they wont change their minds
What I do find distasteful is the fact the BBC openly thanked Iveta and Trent for their time on the show but COMPLETELY ignored Robin despite the fact that he has been part of the show for 5 years
That is rude and totally uncalled for and I can totally understand why fans are upset by that
Personally I wont miss Robin, I have never been wowed by his choreography and I dont think he is a great dancer, I have never met the guy but I dont doubt that he is a lovely guy but he has never been one of my favourites - sorry
I think Sunetra was hindered more by work schedule and logistics as much as anything else.
Sophie came 4th, and went out before her Charleston (which would've given her a fair shot at winning). Brendan always felt a little condescending towards Sophie, and I don't think he ever really pushed her.
I'll agree Sunetra was hampered from the off, but Brendan was very little support.
I'm another one who was never wowed by Robin. He seems a nice guy but his choreography was distinctly lacking for me. I felt, for example, that he pretty much had Lisa Reilly doing the same thing every single week; I think she might have been less annoying with a pro who challenged her to develop as a dancer, instead of becoming a one-trick pony. Still, I wish him all the best in the future.
I'm not Brendan's biggest fan especially after last year but I'm not sure it was entirely his fault that Sophie didn't get to the final 4 - they were given a fast track for their freestyle which meant they could only dance Latin or Disco to it and Latin wasn't Sophie's strengh - let's just put it this way she wasn't on the tour so I suspect the producers were delighted she was first out in the finals. It's a shame because I liked Sophie and I really wanted to see the Charleston again but I don't hold Brendan responsible.
None of the pros are ever fired. Their contracts are only ever per series anwyay. So technically it's more that they don't get re-asked to do a new series, as once they finish a series they're automatically unemployed by the BBC by default.
Camilla left of her own accord, so the BBC never needed to consider whether they'd want to ask her back for a new series, as she eliminated herself out of the situation, prior. When she won with Tom, she saw it as a good high to end her Strictly time on. She said something along the lines of wanting to leave while the party was still on. Basically, leave of your own choosing rather than waiting till you're not wanted anymore.
Artem was hired by DWTS, so argubly he had a better option come along (as I think DWTS pros get paid fractionally more, and do more than one show a year). Plus he became an American citizen officially as well, so it all timed itself nicely for him.
Erin was preganant prior to the a next series of Strictly airing,so I think it was more that situation of looming pregnancy and motherhood that automatically ruled her out of the running to be asked back.
Karen Hardy also left of her own accord, sighting plans to focus on her school as reason to call time on Strictly main show, but has enough time for ITT.
All others that you mention like Ian, Matthew, Darren, Lilya, plus, Nicole Cutler, Jared Murillow, Hayley were not asked back for reasons unknown. None of them had said they had left of their own accord, they just didn't get asked back for a new series. Hayley prob makes sense, as she was really only a filler before Natalie Lowe showed up. The BBC had wanted Natalie for the year Hayley was on the show, but she was still doing Australian DWTS so brought in Hayley in the meantime while Natalie finished her last year there. Then once Natalie was green for Strictly, they didn't have the need to ask Hayley back.