If it goes ahead, does anyone know for definite whether the on line version will be VOD or a streaming channel? Nobody seems to know for sure and there is a lot of conflicting and vague material on the web.
If it goes ahead, does anyone know for definite whether the on line version will be VOD or a streaming channel? Nobody seems to know for sure and there is a lot of conflicting and vague material on the web.
Cheers.
Logically VOD. There's not enough content for a 24/7 channel and stuff like Family guy can't be shown over the internet.
Will BBC3 be streaming or VOD after migration to the internet?
If it goes ahead, does anyone know for definite whether the on line version will be VOD or a streaming channel? Nobody seems to know for sure and there is a lot of conflicting and vague material on the web.
Cheers.
Not remotely interested because this has to get past the BBC Trust first and they'll be conducting a full public consultation first in the early part of next year. Despite what Hall and Cohen say, this is not a done deal.
You can hear an arrogant Danny Cohen going on about the wonders of taking BBC Three off air but you'll also get to hear The Media Show's Steve Hewlett unpicking his (poor and spurious) argument:
The BBC's plans to close BBC Three as a broadcast channel and re-invent it as online service in Autumn 2015 have been submitted to the BBC Trust. The proposals will generate savings of £50 million. Eighty percent of the new budget will be spent on long form programmes like 'Murdered by My Boyfriend' and twenty percent will go on non traditional content such as micro videos and listicles. Traditional genres like dramas and comedy will be replaced by the strands 'Make Me Think' and 'Make Me Laugh'. Alongside this, the BBC Executive also proposes launching a BBC One+1 channel, extending the hours for CBBC and enhancing BBC iPlayer. Danny Cohen, BBC Director of Television, explains the thinking behind BBC 3's new incarnation and Lis Howell, Director of Broadcasting at City University, gives her verdict on the proposals. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04tlfsm
Not remotely interested because this has to get past the BBC Trust first and they'll be conducting a full public consultation first in the early part of next year. Despite what Hall and Cohen say, this is not a done deal.
Logically VOD. There's not enough content for a 24/7 channel and stuff like Family guy can't be shown over the internet.
Well, the BBC did say that going on line would be an improvement as the channel hours would increase from from 9 hours a day to 24. I don't really regard VOD services available for 24 hours a day as equivalent to a channel that broadcasts 24 hours a day. Perhaps this was just BBC spin.
In any case, based on that logic, as BBC3 content is currently already available 24/7 via VOD, it's already a "full time" channel- they can't have it both ways.
In any case, based on that logic, as BBC3 content is currently already available 24/7 via VOD, it's already a "full time" channel- they can't have it both ways.
Streaning/VOD is not "broadcasting" in the accepted sense. And as it stands, the existing broadcast BBC Three is indeed a part-time channel.
However, when it changes to online only, it ceases to be a "broadcast" channel, even though its programming will be available 24x7. Ergo, it will be a 24x7 channel.
No spin, just a matter of interpretation and semantics.
Streaning/VOD is not "broadcasting" in the accepted sense. And as it stands, the existing broadcast BBC Three is indeed a part-time channel.
However, when it changes to online only, it ceases to be a "broadcast" channel, even though its programming will be available 24x7. Ergo, it will be a 24x7 channel.
No spin, just a matter of interpretation and semantics.
By Danny Cohen's own admission on the Media Show, BBC Three will be producing less content for this 24 hour iPlayer platform than it will for it's 9 hour broadcast platform, that's a hell of a lot of repeats...
By Danny Cohen's own admission on the Media Show, BBC Three will be producing less content for this 24 hour iPlayer platform than it will for it's 9 hour broadcast platform, that's a hell of a lot of repeats...
The more I read about the proposed plans, the more I see young adults getting an extremely raw deal from the BBC and how the cuts are ideological.
The more I read about the proposed plans, the more I see young adults getting an extremely raw deal from the BBC and how the cuts are ideological.
He does not come across well in that interview, struggling to answer even the most basic of questions.
But he does say that actually the BBC have simplified the plans significantly in their public statements, and they're taking money away from other parts of the BBC to allocate it to the new BBC Three (specifically he says some of the BBC iPlayer's content budget has been reallocated), which is why the figures in their public statements don't quite add up. But he doesn't really go into any kind of useful detail...
WIll the content make it to iPlayer anyway? Just that there are some issues with some linear streaming with LG550 TVs.. or is ti buy another box and a bigger Ethernet hub time?
Well, the BBC did say that going on line would be an improvement as the channel hours would increase from from 9 hours a day to 24. I don't really regard VOD services available for 24 hours a day as equivalent to a channel that broadcasts 24 hours a day. Perhaps this was just BBC spin.
In any case, based on that logic, as BBC3 content is currently already available 24/7 via VOD, it's already a "full time" channel- they can't have it both ways.
I can see the sense in the BBC's explanation/justification. I doubt many people would want to watch BBC Three all day, the way some viewers might with BBC One. Whatever content is available will be there 24/7, so in a sense it's "better" than the current arrangement, whereby the only things available on e.g. a Tuesday evening are that night's listed programming (plus whatever happens to be on the iPlayer).
I'd really like to think another FTA channel would pick up the rights to Family Guy if it stops being on BBC3. That seems a no-brainer.
It seems clear the savings will come from overall less programming, but the quid pro quo is it will all be available 24/7. Those who can't access the internet will lose out, but I don't think there are too many people in the target demographic who fall into that category. It's a shift in viewing habits, but if this was to be asked of any group, the BBC Three target audience seems not a bad place to start, given many of them are watching other programmes this way already.
I still don't agree with making space for a BBC+1 channel, but I am starting to see the logic of what they're doing.
I can see the sense in the BBC's explanation/justification. I doubt many people would want to watch BBC Three all day, the way some viewers might with BBC One. Whatever content is available will be there 24/7, so in a sense it's "better" than the current arrangement, whereby the only things available on e.g. a Tuesday evening are that night's listed programming (plus whatever happens to be on the iPlayer).
I'd really like to think another FTA channel would pick up the rights to Family Guy if it stops being on BBC3. That seems a no-brainer.
It seems clear the savings will come from overall less programming, but the quid pro quo is it will all be available 24/7. Those who can't access the internet will lose out, but I don't think there are too many people in the target demographic who fall into that category. It's a shift in viewing habits, but if this was to be asked of any group, the BBC Three target audience seems not a bad place to start, given many of them are watching other programmes this way already.
I still don't agree with making space for a BBC+1 channel, but I am starting to see the logic of what they're doing.
You're very trusting of the BBC's word. I see this as the beginning of the end as with all other former publications that promised to remain online. They're fobbing the viewers off.
I also can't see people making the effort to go to i-player to search out programmes that aren't being televised. So much of online viewing begins with word of mouth and how can a series that's online only gain any traction?
I think the only chance it has of working is to abandon the linear channel model altogether and make web series to be shown on a UK only youtube channel or the like. But I doubt the BBC is really serious about this.
I also can't see people making the effort to go to i-player to search out programmes that aren't being televised. So much of online viewing begins with word of mouth and how can a series that's online only gain any traction?
That might be true of those "Hey, check this out" clips, and assorted "funny, look at what this cat/dog/baby is doing" videos posted on YouTube, but I don't think that it's the same for full-length programmes and properly filmed & directed dramas, documentaries and features
If the content is compelling enough, people will seek it out and watch it (without having to be emailed links, or flooded with Twitter retweets.
The plan, if agreed by the BBC Trust, is for the broadcast version to close in the Autumn of 2015. So that's around 9 months or more of BBC Three broadcast programming to promote, and more when online. Do you honestly think that they would not promote their programming?
That might be true of those "Hey, check this out" clips, and assorted "funny, look at what this cat/dog/baby is doing" videos posted on YouTube, but I don't think that it's the same for full-length programmes and properly filmed & directed dramas, documentaries and features
If the content is compelling enough, people will seek it out and watch it (without having to be emailed links, or flooded with Twitter retweets.
You've mixed up my points. I don't think content that isn't televised will gain traction by word of mouth. But (my 3rd point) I do think that if they're going down the online channel route they'd do better on a popular platform like youtube to create something akin to this channel (which is a mixture of professionally made series as well as a contest to find the best youtuber)
I take comfort from the fact that the BBC's equally inane plans to axe the 6 Music station ended in total failure in 2010 :D. The Save BBC3 campaign will also get a good publicity boost next year when the plans for the BBC Trust consultation about the closure of the BBC Three channel are announced.
The plan, if agreed by the BBC Trust, is for the broadcast version to close in the Autumn of 2015. So that's around 9 months or more of BBC Three broadcast programming to promote, and more when online. Do you honestly think that they would not promote their programming?
And if the Trust says no ..............
Then the BBC will have to get its act together and start pruning the bloated multiple management layers instead thus saving loads of dosh that way.
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Not remotely interested because this has to get past the BBC Trust first and they'll be conducting a full public consultation first in the early part of next year. Despite what Hall and Cohen say, this is not a done deal.
The BBC's plans to close BBC Three as a broadcast channel and re-invent it as online service in Autumn 2015 have been submitted to the BBC Trust. The proposals will generate savings of £50 million. Eighty percent of the new budget will be spent on long form programmes like 'Murdered by My Boyfriend' and twenty percent will go on non traditional content such as micro videos and listicles. Traditional genres like dramas and comedy will be replaced by the strands 'Make Me Think' and 'Make Me Laugh'. Alongside this, the BBC Executive also proposes launching a BBC One+1 channel, extending the hours for CBBC and enhancing BBC iPlayer. Danny Cohen, BBC Director of Television, explains the thinking behind BBC 3's new incarnation and Lis Howell, Director of Broadcasting at City University, gives her verdict on the proposals.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04tlfsm
I really hope this plan dies on its arse.
Well, the BBC did say that going on line would be an improvement as the channel hours would increase from from 9 hours a day to 24. I don't really regard VOD services available for 24 hours a day as equivalent to a channel that broadcasts 24 hours a day. Perhaps this was just BBC spin.
In any case, based on that logic, as BBC3 content is currently already available 24/7 via VOD, it's already a "full time" channel- they can't have it both ways.
However, when it changes to online only, it ceases to be a "broadcast" channel, even though its programming will be available 24x7. Ergo, it will be a 24x7 channel.
No spin, just a matter of interpretation and semantics.
By Danny Cohen's own admission on the Media Show, BBC Three will be producing less content for this 24 hour iPlayer platform than it will for it's 9 hour broadcast platform, that's a hell of a lot of repeats...
They're both already VODing BBC Three programmes.
He does not come across well in that interview, struggling to answer even the most basic of questions.
But he does say that actually the BBC have simplified the plans significantly in their public statements, and they're taking money away from other parts of the BBC to allocate it to the new BBC Three (specifically he says some of the BBC iPlayer's content budget has been reallocated), which is why the figures in their public statements don't quite add up. But he doesn't really go into any kind of useful detail...
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2031690
I can see the sense in the BBC's explanation/justification. I doubt many people would want to watch BBC Three all day, the way some viewers might with BBC One. Whatever content is available will be there 24/7, so in a sense it's "better" than the current arrangement, whereby the only things available on e.g. a Tuesday evening are that night's listed programming (plus whatever happens to be on the iPlayer).
I'd really like to think another FTA channel would pick up the rights to Family Guy if it stops being on BBC3. That seems a no-brainer.
It seems clear the savings will come from overall less programming, but the quid pro quo is it will all be available 24/7. Those who can't access the internet will lose out, but I don't think there are too many people in the target demographic who fall into that category. It's a shift in viewing habits, but if this was to be asked of any group, the BBC Three target audience seems not a bad place to start, given many of them are watching other programmes this way already.
I still don't agree with making space for a BBC+1 channel, but I am starting to see the logic of what they're doing.
I also can't see people making the effort to go to i-player to search out programmes that aren't being televised. So much of online viewing begins with word of mouth and how can a series that's online only gain any traction?
I think the only chance it has of working is to abandon the linear channel model altogether and make web series to be shown on a UK only youtube channel or the like. But I doubt the BBC is really serious about this.
If the content is compelling enough, people will seek it out and watch it (without having to be emailed links, or flooded with Twitter retweets.
And if the Trust says no ..............
So do I, popeye13.
I take comfort from the fact that the BBC's equally inane plans to axe the 6 Music station ended in total failure in 2010
Then the BBC will have to get its act together and start pruning the bloated multiple management layers instead thus saving loads of dosh that way.
And yes, I too hope this doesn't happen.