Cameras Allowed in Courts

occyoccy Posts: 65,005
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Legal and broadcasting history will be made later when cameras are allowed to film inside the Royal Courts of Justice for the first time.

Permission has been granted to show civil and criminal cases at the Court of Appeal, although there are heavy restrictions on what can be filmed.

Cameras have been banned from courts in England and Wales since 1925.

The rules in Scottish courts are different and earlier this year cameras were allowed to film a murder trial - but only with the permission of all the participants, including the defendant.

Sky News and other broadcasters have been campaigning for a decade for cameras to be allowed to show all trials.

http://news.sky.com/story/1161631/cameras-to-film-appeal-court-after-campaign

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People won't see what you watch on films. So don't get over excited. :D
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  • jmclaughjmclaugh Posts: 63,996
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    If TV companies and others want the workings of courts and the justice system to be better understood why don't they do a series of documentary programmes on them. I can't help feeling the reason they want to televise it has little to do with any of that.
  • flagpoleflagpole Posts: 44,641
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    i think the thread title somewhat overstates the situation.

    but i am still not happy about the direction.

    i would hate for our system to become anything like america's. terrifying.
  • tim59tim59 Posts: 47,188
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    You have been able to watch court cases at the supreme court for a while, www.supremecourt.gov.uk/‎. But if people are looking for something like judge judy, they will be very disappointed
  • zx50zx50 Posts: 91,265
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    jmclaugh wrote: »
    If TV companies and others want the workings of courts and the justice system to be better understood why don't they do a series of documentary programmes on them. I can't help feeling the reason they want to televise it has little to do with any of that.

    I'm guessing they're wanting to copy Judge Judy and others that are similar.
  • zx50zx50 Posts: 91,265
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    flagpole wrote: »
    i think the thread title somewhat overstates the situation.

    but i am still not happy about the direction.

    i would hate for our system to become anything like america's. terrifying.

    Yeah. America's justice system does seem very harsh at times, and doesn't seem to offer leniency when it's needed. This is from what I've read.
  • flagpoleflagpole Posts: 44,641
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    zx50 wrote: »
    Yeah. America's justice system does seem very harsh at times, and doesn't seem to offer leniency when it's needed. This is from what I've read.

    there are several problems with the american justice system.

    one of which is the plea bargaining system. in this country we offer discounts to encourage people to plead guilty but they are relatively small compared to america. something like 10 - 30% off a custodial sentence depending on where in the process you plead guilty.

    in america the difference is massive. you have literally got people being faced with the possibility of trial for attempted murder life in prison or pleading guilty to a relatively minor assault charge. the discrepancy in the sentences means innocent or guilty you are likely to take the plea. meaning guilty people go free and innocent people get punished. particularly in the context of 3 strikes.

    but all of this is at the discretion of the prosecutors. and because of the tv cameras in the event of high profile cases there is less likely to be a plea offered because the prosecutors want to be on the TV and make a name for themselves.
  • deptfordbakerdeptfordbaker Posts: 22,368
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    I imagine that standing up in court must be nerve-racking for many people, especially if they find public speaking difficult. Imagine what it will be like for them if they are on television as well. Will their fear be taken as a sign of guilt? Judges and lawyers are used to public speaking although the jury may not want to be on television. They are not even accused of anything and were forced to attend.

    Does the accused have to consent to this, or is Sky's right to broadcast it for ratings and profit a more important consideration?

    I know its only the Court of appeal, but Scottish murder cases have been broadcast with the consent of the accused, witnesses, I believe and apparently the television companies just see this as a first step to American style televised trails.
  • flagpoleflagpole Posts: 44,641
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    I imagine that standing up in court must be nerve-racking for many people, especially if they find public speaking difficult. Imagine what it will be like for them if they are on television as well. Will their fear be taken as a sign of guilt? Judges and lawyers are used to public speaking although the jury may not want to be on television. They are not even accused of anything and were forced to attend.

    Does the accused have to consent to this, or is Sky's right to broadcast it for ratings and profit a more important consideration?

    I know its only the Court of appeal, but Scottish murder cases have been broadcast with the consent of the accused, witnesses, I believe and apparently the television companies just see this as a first step to American style televised trails.

    i think there are protections in place at the moment. but this is only going one way.

    it's so problematic. supposing a witness does not want to be on tv. do they not broadcast the whole trial, potentially leading to that witness not being called because other people do want for one reason or another it to be on tv.

    or do they not show that bit meaning that the tv audience and the jury may be getting different evidence.
  • solenoidsolenoid Posts: 15,495
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    It's still not tranparent enough.
  • flagpoleflagpole Posts: 44,641
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    solenoid wrote: »
    It's still not tranparent enough.

    what do you propose?
  • solenoidsolenoid Posts: 15,495
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    flagpole wrote: »
    what do you propose?

    More coverage than just courts of appeal.
  • flagpoleflagpole Posts: 44,641
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    solenoid wrote: »
    More coverage than just courts of appeal.

    can you see any downsides?
  • AnnsyreAnnsyre Posts: 109,500
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    I have just been watching David Cameron's brother in the Court of Appeal arguing a case before three Judges. Very interesting.
  • occyoccy Posts: 65,005
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    I wonder if this could be used for students who going through the process of practising law?
  • glasshalffullglasshalffull Posts: 22,291
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    solenoid wrote: »
    It's still not tranparent enough.

    99% of all court hearings are open to the public.
  • solenoidsolenoid Posts: 15,495
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    flagpole wrote: »
    can you see any downsides?

    It won't be very good TV unless the judges are young and pretty?
  • Jol44Jol44 Posts: 21,048
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    Not too sure that turning court cases into an even bigger media circus than they already are is a good thing.

    Sure, we'd all like to ogle at the TV perhaps, but when one thinks a little deeper about it one begins to question. The fact that SKY clearly wish to get their grubby hands all over it speaks volumes.
  • solenoidsolenoid Posts: 15,495
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    99% of all court hearings are open to the public.

    But how easily accessible? Using TV camera feeds enable people to view proceedings in their own time and wherever they are.
  • occyoccy Posts: 65,005
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    David Cameron brother who's a barrister was the first one too be televised. It was a set up.
  • PamthehoundPamthehound Posts: 5,333
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    Will it have its own channel, I cant seem to find it broadcasting......maybe Sky ?????
  • glasshalffullglasshalffull Posts: 22,291
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    solenoid wrote: »
    But how easily accessible? Using TV camera feeds enable people to view proceedings in their own time and wherever they are.

    You go up to the door and if there is room in public gallery they let you in. Done it myself at the High Court and the Bailey more than once.

    And given the courts from magistrates through to supreme sitting every day all over the country do you seriously imagine they could cover them all?

    And if you start to pick and chose say the Bailey you''ll have the Scots complaining they want their court covered and people in Lancashire moaning they want a local murder being tried at Preston etc etc.

    The number of feeds to cover every court would run to hundreds.
  • AnnsyreAnnsyre Posts: 109,500
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    occy wrote: »
    David Cameron brother who's a barrister was the first one too be televised. It was a set up.

    Of course it was.:rolleyes:

    They facts are that Sky did not take up the first case and televise it because it involved a paedophile so they waited and went for the next case. If the first case had been relatively mundane would have been shown instead.

    Not that it matter very much anyway, hundreds of people have already seen Allan Alexander Cameron practising as a barrister in open court.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 6,126
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    Not a fan of this...not so much about what has currently been given the go ahead but we all know where the broadcasters want this to go...If we end up with Crown Court Criminal trials being shown then negatives far,far outweigh any positives..and the list of negatives is a long one.

    From my own perspective back in 1993 I was a witness in a criminal trial...a guy was up for nicking stuff from a Student Halls of residence...I had`t seen him do anything but I had noticed at time X a rug was in place next to a telephone kiosk...and that was it...but I was required to testify in order to clarify a time line...Well fook me I was ripped to shreds in court by the defence team..well that`s how it felt...It`s bad enough having to go through that in Court...but the thought of being made to look like a liar on national TV would seriously make me think twice about making any witness statement to the Police in the future
  • solenoidsolenoid Posts: 15,495
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    You go up to the door and if there is room in public gallery they let you in. Done it myself at the High Court and the Bailey more than once.

    And given the courts from magistrates through to supreme sitting every day all over the country do you seriously imagine they could cover them all?

    And if you start to pick and chose say the Bailey you''ll have the Scots complaining they want their court covered and people in Lancashire moaning they want a local murder being tried at Preston etc etc.

    The number of feeds to cover every court would run to hundreds.
    Possibly in the future it would be as easy as typing a court number/address into an App for your phone and you can then watch the proceedings.
  • Deep PurpleDeep Purple Posts: 63,255
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    solenoid wrote: »
    But how easily accessible? Using TV camera feeds enable people to view proceedings in their own time and wherever they are.

    Courts are not for entertainment purposes. If someone is interested enough, they can go along to their local one, and watch proceedings.

    Most of what happens is quite boring.
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