You never know one day there may be a news event in the Hertfordshire town of Tring!
Tring and the nearby Herts village of Aldbury (featured on Shillingbury Tales and The Avengers no less) is actually in the primary service area of the Oxford transmitter which should make it part of the South Today empire.
You never know one day there may be a news event in the Hertfordshire town of Tring!
Tring and the nearby Herts village of Aldbury (featured on Shillingbury Tales and The Avengers no less) is actually in the primary service area of the Oxford transmitter which should make it part of the South Today empire.
What no evil masterminds for Steed & Mrs Peel to get rid of? LOL
1. Flooding at Farringdon Thameslink.
2.Wembley man who suffered a broken neck after being arrested by police. BUT he was arrested in Bedford by Bedfordshire police- But A Wembley man- dilemma- Ill have to think about that one! (report definitely more about the fact he was a Londoner)
3.Old Oak Common (NW London) regeneration project.
4.KGB spy poison post mortem- report from outside Royal Courts of Justice.
5.NHS report from A & E in Tooting.
6. Canary Wharf to be sold? (side comment- I think Asad Ahmad must have got dressed in the dark)
7. Report from Sheffield!!!! (but because Spurs are playing there tonight) London reporter Chris Slegg sent up there to report, rather than using a local person. I'm DEFINATELY counting that one as London, as it's all about Spurs.
8.. Churchill funeral.- interview with someone who was there.
Once again- no short items read out by Riz. Nothing from the home counties (unless you want to include the passing reference to Bedford). Personally I would say it was an all London day again- but 2 is debatable.
Once again- no short items read out by Riz. Nothing from the home counties (unless you want to include the passing reference to Bedford). Personally I would say it was an all London day again- but 2 is debatable.
I say let's not include it - Bedford doesn't even get a signal from Crystal Palace!!
BBC London News has a lot of potential viewers 20 miles south in the Luton area though, so perhaps it may be a tiny bit relevant to them?
It's hard to see how anything important in Slough, Guildford, or parts of Essex could have bumped any of tonights items in to touch.
Perhaps one way to find out is to listen to the evening news on the BBC Local Radio stations in the home counties and consider whether any of the stories are important enough that they should have been featured, even in brief, on BBC London News.
These are most of the local stories that have featured on the 5pm news on BBC Surrey each day this week so far - do any of these trump the London stories that appeared on television?
MONDAY
Surrey has more claims for pothole damage than any other county
Care home in Haslemere rated as inadequate (I think Haslemere legitimately falls into the South region rather than London)
New housing development for Horley
Police try to trace a woman who intervened in a row in Haslemere (South region again!)
Detectives investigating a violent burglary in Kingswood rule out a suspect
Surrey Wildlife Trust awarded £10,000 for conservation work
Nursing tutors in Guildford are using an innovative new technique to boost students' confidence
TUESDAY
Fire near Chessington World of Adventures
Hundreds of new jobs created as Waitrose announce several new supermarkets in Surrey
Heathrow Airport say they'll help with new flood defences for Surrey
Spelthorne council try to buy Brooklands College site
Man goes missing after walking out from a mental health clinic in Crawley
New road could be built to relieve bottlenecks on the A320 in Guildford
WEDNESDAY
Surrey County Council announces a proposed council tax increase next year
A senior police advisor at an inquest says an officer was driving too fast when he hit and killed an off-duty soldier on the Hog's Back in 2012
Man beaten up in a fight in Weybridge
Man stabbed in Aldershot (South rather than London?)
Man carjacked in Epsom
Victims of crime in Surrey may soon be able to report incidents online
Takeaway in Ewell prosecuted for breaking food safety rules
Jobs to go as Tesco closes its store in Staines
Countryside campaigners challenge politicians to promise to protect Surrey's Green Belt
I have found that even though BBC London News do sometimes cover stories beyond the M25 they still seem to assume everyone's watching inside the M25, and have even been known to address its viewers as 'Londoners'. Realistically, I don't think there's much hope that a London-focused television news programme will ever give adequate coverage to the home counties; if you want to hear about news that concerns your own county, then local radio is really the place to go to. It's a pity the BBC's proposed local television scheme was turned down by the BBC Trust a few years ago.
Robert- I won't copy all of your post, simply to save space, but as someone who is logging BBC London News all week, I appreciate how much effort went into logging that lot!
Potentially- Surrey has more claims for pothole damage, Nursing tutors in Guildford (within London transmitter, but probably not a strong enough story) and maybe one or two others might have got on- but when you are up against the might of London 'proper' it's not easy to get on.
Also, a lot of tv news is planned in advance. Churchill funeral report, send someone to Sheffield for Spurs match, NHS report from Tooting, even the KGB spy case would all have been down for todays programme several days ago. Maybe also the Old Oak Common, and man from Wembley report as well. Really, only Thameslink flooding report (because it's still going on) could be genuinely be said to be reacting to todays events.
Bearing in mind the wide reception area of Crystal Palace surely the BBC need to re-draw the editorial boundaries of their London news ? It's ridiculous for it to be confined within the M25. Huge numbers of licence payers are being ignored completely at the whim of some BBC panjandrum.
Bearing in mind the wide reception area of Crystal Palace surely the BBC need to re-draw the editorial boundaries of their London news ? It's ridiculous for it to be confined within the M25. Huge numbers of licence payers are being ignored completely at the whim of some BBC panjandrum.
Well- as I said before, originally it was my intention to demonstrate that they do go beyond the M25- particularly Bucks/Herts/Berks (Yvonne Hall) and Essex (mostly Gareth George- although he is officially a Look East reporter). So the 'top half' of the London region does quite often get reports, but for some reason, not the 'bottom half' (Surrey/Kent overlaps) Why that should be I just don't know.
And this week is particularly bad. I would say not one single non London story.
Robert- I won't copy all of your post, simply to save space, but as someone who is logging BBC London News all week, I appreciate how much effort went into logging that lot!
Potentially- Surrey has more claims for pothole damage, Nursing tutors in Guildford (within London transmitter, but probably not a strong enough story) and maybe one or two others might have got on- but when you are up against the might of London 'proper' it's not easy to get on.
Also, a lot of tv news is planned in advance. Churchill funeral report, send someone to Sheffield for Spurs match, NHS report from Tooting, even the KGB spy case would all have been down for todays programme several days ago. Maybe also the Old Oak Common, and man from Wembley report as well. Really, only Thameslink flooding report (because it's still going on) could be genuinely be said to be reacting to todays events.
I think that of all of those Surrey stories I logged, there are some, like the items about new roads or housing developments, or council tax rises, that are probably too parochial and of little interest to the rest of the region, but maybe some of them could have been mentioned in an 'in brief' section. But judging from your logs, BBC London News seems to be based around about eight main items, many, as you say, prepared in advance, rather than trying to pack in lots of briefer stories, and this rather limits opportunities for the Home Counties to get on. I still think it's a lost cause, really, if I want to know what's happening local to me I'll listen to local radio or go online.
I think that of all of those Surrey stories I logged, there are some, like the items about new roads or housing developments, or council tax rises, that are probably too parochial and of little interest to the rest of the region, but maybe some of them could have been mentioned in an 'in brief' section. But judging from your logs, BBC London News seems to be based around about eight main items, many, as you say, prepared in advance, rather than trying to pack in lots of briefer stories, and this rather limits opportunities for the Home Counties to get on. I still think it's a lost cause, really, if I want to know what's happening local to me I'll listen to local radio or go online.
I find BBC Radio Berkshire provides a good service for me in the Thames Valley and they have at least a couple of stories a day which would make a TV piece. I wonder if they liaise at all with BBC London ? They must have reporters who are capable of providing TV packages.
1. Scotland Yard response to Paris terrorism attacks .Keeping London safe.
2.Thames water blames Network Rail over Thameslink flooding at Farringdon.
3. Court of Appeal increases minimum sentence to 27 years for claw hammer attack.
4.NHS freeing up hospital beds by providing better care packages- Croydon.
5. kind of a continuation of 4, asking a health official how things can be improved.
6.Jose Mouriniho (sp?) cancels press conference because of a 'media conspiracy' (studio interview with sports reporter)
7.Natural History Museum- Dippy the dinosaur to be replaced by skeleton of blue whale.
8. Movie premier- interview with David Oyelewo.
2 brief stories read out- 1. Money laundering in financial services sector in London on the increase, and 2, Crossrail progress now 60% complete.
With thanks to inothernews I'm afraid this confirms what many of us have been saying for a while now....but do have a look at the thread about Look North Leeds, you are not alone !
1. Boris brands muslim extremists losers who are unsuccessful with women and look at pornography.
2, Vicar posts link to website accusing Israel of being behind 9/11 attacks.
3. Air ambulance service gets 3rd helipad..
4.Club goers in Croydon to be breathalised before entering nightclubs.
5.More disadvantaged teenagers going to university Kingston
6.Sports round-up - various, but all London related! (included a couple of reports)
7. Winston Churchill
3 short items read out 1.Police marksman pleads not guilty to murder 2, Cannabis factory in Bromley 3.Easy Jet wants Heathrow expanded.
Thank you for all your efforts Mr Inothernews! ;-)
It was interesting to see the result and proves just how much BBC London ignores so many of its viewers. I don't doubt this isn't a typical week either.
3 short items ......... 3.Easy Jet wants Heathrow expanded.
To be fair it was pointed out the new helipad will serve people in Kent & Surrey just as much as Londoners.
Also the Easy Jet story was presented within the context of them being the largest operator at Gatwick (begging the question why Easy Jet don't want Gatwick to be chosen for expansion).
Also the story earlier in the week on the flooding of the tunnels used by Thameslink trains was relevant to everyone living along the line in the programme's service area from Luton to Crawley.
I'd also agree with the view stories about events in the Square Mile & West End are usually of interest to a wide cross section of people spread across the whole region.
So I would say a score of 1 out of 40 is on the harsh side- although I accept it is undeniable this week's output had a lot more material of interest for people watching the programme inside as opposed to outside the M25.
As an aside Look East had 2 Hertfordshire wide stories yesterday on educational standards and the Counties LEP using/ employing lobbyists.
Gatwick is very firmly in BBC South's patch although, of course, Londoners use it.
Not sure of that. Crawley (the borough containing Gatwick) is covered by BBC South East, I have seen their news crews covering stories here in the fairly recent past.
Not sure of that. Crawley (the borough containing Gatwick) is covered by BBC South East, I have seen their news crews covering stories here in the fairly recent past.
Gatwick would certainly be an example of 'even if it's beyond the London tv area, it is still worth covering, because so many Londoners start and finish their holidays there' (especially if it was because of a strike)
I'll be honest and say I was typing out reports as they were broadcast- so if the intro was all about Heathrow, that is what I latched on to. If Gatwick then went on to get a mention I was concentrating on typing up Heathrow as the main part of the report.
Gatwick would certainly be an example of 'even if it's beyond the London tv area, it is still worth covering, because so many Londoners start and finish their holidays there' (especially if it was because of a strike)
I'll be honest and say I was typing out reports as they were broadcast- so if the intro was all about Heathrow, that is what I latched on to. If Gatwick then went on to get a mention I was concentrating on typing up Heathrow as the main part of the report.
No, you were right. The item was really about Heathrow, even though Gatwick was mentioned.
However, I have seen BBC London do stories about London Gatwick though not for quite a while. I don't know if BBC SE have much because we cannot get it.
As an aside Look East had 2 Hertfordshire wide stories yesterday on educational standards and the Counties LEP using/ employing lobbyists.
Look East does sometimes do Hertfordshire stories such as reports on the NHS will look at Stevenage hospital for instance.
But in context, only a small part of the county can watch Look East... The districts of North Hertfordshire and Stevenage plus parts of Welwyn Hatfield and East Hertfordshire. Nearly everyone in these two districts has a Crystal Palace aerial and few seem to have BBC East/Anglia by itself.
The rest of Hertfordshire (Watford, Hemel Hempstead, St Albans etc) cannot receive Look East!
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You never know one day there may be a news event in the Hertfordshire town of Tring!
Tring and the nearby Herts village of Aldbury (featured on Shillingbury Tales and The Avengers no less) is actually in the primary service area of the Oxford transmitter which should make it part of the South Today empire.
What no evil masterminds for Steed & Mrs Peel to get rid of? LOL
1. Flooding at Farringdon Thameslink.
2.Wembley man who suffered a broken neck after being arrested by police. BUT he was arrested in Bedford by Bedfordshire police- But A Wembley man- dilemma- Ill have to think about that one! (report definitely more about the fact he was a Londoner)
3.Old Oak Common (NW London) regeneration project.
4.KGB spy poison post mortem- report from outside Royal Courts of Justice.
5.NHS report from A & E in Tooting.
6. Canary Wharf to be sold? (side comment- I think Asad Ahmad must have got dressed in the dark)
7. Report from Sheffield!!!! (but because Spurs are playing there tonight) London reporter Chris Slegg sent up there to report, rather than using a local person. I'm DEFINATELY counting that one as London, as it's all about Spurs.
8.. Churchill funeral.- interview with someone who was there.
Once again- no short items read out by Riz. Nothing from the home counties (unless you want to include the passing reference to Bedford). Personally I would say it was an all London day again- but 2 is debatable.
I say let's not include it - Bedford doesn't even get a signal from Crystal Palace!!
BBC London News has a lot of potential viewers 20 miles south in the Luton area though, so perhaps it may be a tiny bit relevant to them?
These are most of the local stories that have featured on the 5pm news on BBC Surrey each day this week so far - do any of these trump the London stories that appeared on television?
MONDAY
Surrey has more claims for pothole damage than any other county
Care home in Haslemere rated as inadequate (I think Haslemere legitimately falls into the South region rather than London)
New housing development for Horley
Police try to trace a woman who intervened in a row in Haslemere (South region again!)
Detectives investigating a violent burglary in Kingswood rule out a suspect
Surrey Wildlife Trust awarded £10,000 for conservation work
Nursing tutors in Guildford are using an innovative new technique to boost students' confidence
TUESDAY
Fire near Chessington World of Adventures
Hundreds of new jobs created as Waitrose announce several new supermarkets in Surrey
Heathrow Airport say they'll help with new flood defences for Surrey
Spelthorne council try to buy Brooklands College site
Man goes missing after walking out from a mental health clinic in Crawley
New road could be built to relieve bottlenecks on the A320 in Guildford
WEDNESDAY
Surrey County Council announces a proposed council tax increase next year
A senior police advisor at an inquest says an officer was driving too fast when he hit and killed an off-duty soldier on the Hog's Back in 2012
Man beaten up in a fight in Weybridge
Man stabbed in Aldershot (South rather than London?)
Man carjacked in Epsom
Victims of crime in Surrey may soon be able to report incidents online
Takeaway in Ewell prosecuted for breaking food safety rules
Jobs to go as Tesco closes its store in Staines
Countryside campaigners challenge politicians to promise to protect Surrey's Green Belt
I have found that even though BBC London News do sometimes cover stories beyond the M25 they still seem to assume everyone's watching inside the M25, and have even been known to address its viewers as 'Londoners'. Realistically, I don't think there's much hope that a London-focused television news programme will ever give adequate coverage to the home counties; if you want to hear about news that concerns your own county, then local radio is really the place to go to. It's a pity the BBC's proposed local television scheme was turned down by the BBC Trust a few years ago.
Potentially- Surrey has more claims for pothole damage, Nursing tutors in Guildford (within London transmitter, but probably not a strong enough story) and maybe one or two others might have got on- but when you are up against the might of London 'proper' it's not easy to get on.
Also, a lot of tv news is planned in advance. Churchill funeral report, send someone to Sheffield for Spurs match, NHS report from Tooting, even the KGB spy case would all have been down for todays programme several days ago. Maybe also the Old Oak Common, and man from Wembley report as well. Really, only Thameslink flooding report (because it's still going on) could be genuinely be said to be reacting to todays events.
Well- as I said before, originally it was my intention to demonstrate that they do go beyond the M25- particularly Bucks/Herts/Berks (Yvonne Hall) and Essex (mostly Gareth George- although he is officially a Look East reporter). So the 'top half' of the London region does quite often get reports, but for some reason, not the 'bottom half' (Surrey/Kent overlaps) Why that should be I just don't know.
And this week is particularly bad. I would say not one single non London story.
Thankfully, Only two more days to go..
I think you are doing a brilliant job - thanks. The result is proving more than interesting
I find BBC Radio Berkshire provides a good service for me in the Thames Valley and they have at least a couple of stories a day which would make a TV piece. I wonder if they liaise at all with BBC London ? They must have reporters who are capable of providing TV packages.
1. Scotland Yard response to Paris terrorism attacks .Keeping London safe.
2.Thames water blames Network Rail over Thameslink flooding at Farringdon.
3. Court of Appeal increases minimum sentence to 27 years for claw hammer attack.
4.NHS freeing up hospital beds by providing better care packages- Croydon.
5. kind of a continuation of 4, asking a health official how things can be improved.
6.Jose Mouriniho (sp?) cancels press conference because of a 'media conspiracy' (studio interview with sports reporter)
7.Natural History Museum- Dippy the dinosaur to be replaced by skeleton of blue whale.
8. Movie premier- interview with David Oyelewo.
2 brief stories read out- 1. Money laundering in financial services sector in London on the increase, and 2, Crossrail progress now 60% complete.
Still NOTHING all week beyond the M25
1. Boris brands muslim extremists losers who are unsuccessful with women and look at pornography.
2, Vicar posts link to website accusing Israel of being behind 9/11 attacks.
3. Air ambulance service gets 3rd helipad..
4.Club goers in Croydon to be breathalised before entering nightclubs.
5.More disadvantaged teenagers going to university Kingston
6.Sports round-up - various, but all London related! (included a couple of reports)
7. Winston Churchill
3 short items read out 1.Police marksman pleads not guilty to murder 2, Cannabis factory in Bromley 3.Easy Jet wants Heathrow expanded.
So EVERYTHING all week within the M25.
Thank goodness I won't have to do this again!
Fair enough then.
1 out of about 40 reports all week.
Thank you for all your efforts Mr Inothernews! ;-)
It was interesting to see the result and proves just how much BBC London ignores so many of its viewers. I don't doubt this isn't a typical week either.
To be fair it was pointed out the new helipad will serve people in Kent & Surrey just as much as Londoners.
Also the Easy Jet story was presented within the context of them being the largest operator at Gatwick (begging the question why Easy Jet don't want Gatwick to be chosen for expansion).
Also the story earlier in the week on the flooding of the tunnels used by Thameslink trains was relevant to everyone living along the line in the programme's service area from Luton to Crawley.
I'd also agree with the view stories about events in the Square Mile & West End are usually of interest to a wide cross section of people spread across the whole region.
So I would say a score of 1 out of 40 is on the harsh side- although I accept it is undeniable this week's output had a lot more material of interest for people watching the programme inside as opposed to outside the M25.
As an aside Look East had 2 Hertfordshire wide stories yesterday on educational standards and the Counties LEP using/ employing lobbyists.
Gatwick would certainly be an example of 'even if it's beyond the London tv area, it is still worth covering, because so many Londoners start and finish their holidays there' (especially if it was because of a strike)
I'll be honest and say I was typing out reports as they were broadcast- so if the intro was all about Heathrow, that is what I latched on to. If Gatwick then went on to get a mention I was concentrating on typing up Heathrow as the main part of the report.
However, I have seen BBC London do stories about London Gatwick though not for quite a while. I don't know if BBC SE have much because we cannot get it.
Look East does sometimes do Hertfordshire stories such as reports on the NHS will look at Stevenage hospital for instance.
But in context, only a small part of the county can watch Look East... The districts of North Hertfordshire and Stevenage plus parts of Welwyn Hatfield and East Hertfordshire. Nearly everyone in these two districts has a Crystal Palace aerial and few seem to have BBC East/Anglia by itself.
The rest of Hertfordshire (Watford, Hemel Hempstead, St Albans etc) cannot receive Look East!
Not much use being in BBC South when people can't receive a decent signal from one of their transmitters!!