they sure need something similar to a reformation and an age of enlightenment for a start.
Problem with that is it's trying to consider the Islamic states as a nation or group of nations, as Europe was in the 1500s. They're not.
They vary from warlord led tribal groups to proto-democracies, with all the development points in-between, and not even religion in common when you consider the factions.
The non-seperation of religion from politics isn't conducive to a Reformation either.
Essentially most Islamic political structures are trapped in the 12th -15th century, without the benefit of the split of power between church and state that had developed by then. You'd have thought they'd have learned - when they held power in the Levant a millenium ago they were always frustrated by how unmanageable the various Arab tribes were because of no centralised structure, and had their own major centres of advanced civilisation long before we settled down into working out how to do it.
The irony is that by wanting a single Islamic state ISIS have the right idea, but the wrong reasons. Thankfully they have no hope of achieving it - even more ironically because of their inhuman attitudes.
Also what is quite interesting is that during that time america or uk (dont remember which) taught the rebels (ISIS) how to use the internet and in particular twitter as a tool to mobilise people and as a tool of propaganda. So when you see ISIS using twitter as a tool to mobilise people and as a tool of propaganda now you know who to thank
I know nothing about this. It sounds like anti western propaganda. I kind of remember the Arab spring stuff but that's not specific to ISIS and was just a few years ago when I think even the people in Syria and such technological backwaters knew how to use the internet and find twitter already. I found it, and used it without any training whatsoever.
Problem with that is it's trying to consider the Islamic states as a nation or group of nations, as Europe was in the 1500s. They're not.
They vary from warlord led tribal groups to proto-democracies, with all the development points in-between, and not even religion in common when you consider the factions.
The non-seperation of religion from politics isn't conducive to a Reformation either.
Essentially most Islamic political structures are trapped in the 12th -15th century, without the benefit of the split of power between church and state that had developed by then. You'd have thought they'd have learned - when they held power in the Levant a millenium ago they were always frustrated by how unmanageable the various Arab tribes were because of no centralised structure, and had their own major centres of advanced civilisation long before we settled down into working out how to do it.
The irony is that by wanting a single Islamic state ISIS have the right idea, but the wrong reasons. Thankfully they have no hope of achieving it - even more ironically because of their inhuman attitudes.
I wish this was universally understood. It would also save acres of space on DS.
Problem with that is it's trying to consider the Islamic states as a nation or group of nations, as Europe was in the 1500s. They're not.
They vary from warlord led tribal groups to proto-democracies, with all the development points in-between, and not even religion in common when you consider the factions.
The non-seperation of religion from politics isn't conducive to a Reformation either.
Essentially most Islamic political structures are trapped in the 12th -15th century, without the benefit of the split of power between church and state that had developed by then. You'd have thought they'd have learned - when they held power in the Levant a millenium ago they were always frustrated by how unmanageable the various Arab tribes were because of no centralised structure, and had their own major centres of advanced civilisation long before we settled down into working out how to do it.
The irony is that by wanting a single Islamic state ISIS have the right idea, but the wrong reasons. Thankfully they have no hope of achieving it - even more ironically because of their inhuman attitudes.
BiB - Well actually it's not, it's mearly suggesting that if something where possible then it woud be a good thing. It's what is needed but, for the reasons you set out, it's not going to happen any time soon.
Yeah, I pointed out the similarities to Kony's crew earlier in the thread. It's not a compliment, is it. I've had a little personal experience of them, years back.
I said this in the thread about the 140 kids that got killed yesterday.
They were Muslims also. Yet the killers are also Muslims.
Which kind of points to something that many Muslims have banged on about since 9/11 when all Muslims bandied under the banner of 'evil/fanatical/barbaric etc'.....that your ordinary Muslim has absolutely NOTHING to do with the likes of AL-Q/IS/Taliban etc and they are actually the biggest victims at the hands of these killers.
Plenty of 'ordinary' muslims have left these islands to go fight with IS and the same from many other countries across the world so how are you defining an 'ordinary' muslim?
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They vary from warlord led tribal groups to proto-democracies, with all the development points in-between, and not even religion in common when you consider the factions.
The non-seperation of religion from politics isn't conducive to a Reformation either.
Essentially most Islamic political structures are trapped in the 12th -15th century, without the benefit of the split of power between church and state that had developed by then. You'd have thought they'd have learned - when they held power in the Levant a millenium ago they were always frustrated by how unmanageable the various Arab tribes were because of no centralised structure, and had their own major centres of advanced civilisation long before we settled down into working out how to do it.
The irony is that by wanting a single Islamic state ISIS have the right idea, but the wrong reasons. Thankfully they have no hope of achieving it - even more ironically because of their inhuman attitudes.
I know nothing about this. It sounds like anti western propaganda. I kind of remember the Arab spring stuff but that's not specific to ISIS and was just a few years ago when I think even the people in Syria and such technological backwaters knew how to use the internet and find twitter already. I found it, and used it without any training whatsoever.
No to mention the kids educated in "the West" that go off to the Middle East and join IS.
I wish this was universally understood. It would also save acres of space on DS.
No, it is indeed possible - just very very unpalatable.
Our standards have changed since 1945.
Without finding a way to block IS sophisticated recruitment techniques, a determined campaign by parents and TPTB, they will never be stopped.
Good news today the Khurds have ended the siege in Northern Iraq, freeing the Yazidis trapped on the Sinjar Mountains. IS are now retreating.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/isis-in-iraq-yazidis-freed-from-mount-sinjar-after-being-trapped-since-august-1.2879013
BiB - Well actually it's not, it's mearly suggesting that if something where possible then it woud be a good thing. It's what is needed but, for the reasons you set out, it's not going to happen any time soon.
I quite agree with the rest of your post.
Yeah, I pointed out the similarities to Kony's crew earlier in the thread. It's not a compliment, is it. I've had a little personal experience of them, years back.
I simply cannot understand it - what the f*** do they think their lives are going to be like once they achieve their wonderful ambition?
It hurts my brain.
Plenty of 'ordinary' muslims have left these islands to go fight with IS and the same from many other countries across the world so how are you defining an 'ordinary' muslim?