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Ha ha! He's fantastic with Sam - and generally - but obviously he still drives me mental fairly regularly, particularly his snoring and his insistence on watching any sport that's on the telly. Yes, even darts!

I think it's a trade off for being so handy with the kids! My OH is the same way, and he also drives me mental by dressing the kids in the most insane combos ever!


I've had a terrible day! Boy 1 wakes up at 3 in the morning because he was sick in bed. He had a temp of 39.4, so he got into bed with us. So I had to clean up sick, sort out Calpol and then Jimmy decides to wake up an hour later and fight sleep the whole time. Boy 1 appreciates the novelty of being in bed with me so chats to me the whole time. Then, my OH brings Jimmy upstairs because he wouldn't settle and I ended up sleeping with a stuffed monkey in my back.
Thankfully, my husband took Boy 1 to the doctor this afternoon and he has a throat infection and tonsillitis will be missing school for a few days. I've a business trip on Friday!:eek:
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 6,233
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    I couldn't bloody find this thread there! :D lol

    The link that DS put in part one didn't work...

    how is everyone today? new week new start?
    We've got the new week part, but thanks to a seriously mucked up weekend not got the new start part yet - instead got a ton of housework to catch up on :eek:


    Bought Lucy her first proper pair of shoes yesterday - she's growing up so quick :cry:
    Hard to believe its almost been a year...
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    Took me a while to find this thread...the link from the old thread still isn't working!

    Sweetypie - Good luck with catching up on your house work, I also can't believe it's nearlly been a year since our little ones were born. Jacobs birthday will be next month and as you are the wiz kid with cakes...can I bake him a normal cake? Is he allowed to eat it...what with the eggs and stuff? Obviously he will only have a little bit!

    This week is a busy week for us, on Thursday we fly home to England for a visit to kind of say our goodbyes to everyone as it will probably be the last time to catch up before/if we move to Oz! So everyday that we are back home is full of catch ups, I can't wait to see all of my friends, some have got babies now and some are pregnant so that's going to be so exciting and they will also see me for the first time as a mum...awww! Can't wait to see my Brother, his partner and my neice and nephew and of course take a day to do shopping and stock up on english things...tetley tea bags are a must!
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    AngelStar wrote: »
    Took me a while to find this thread...the link from the old thread still isn't working!

    Sweetypie - Good luck with catching up on your house work, I also can't believe it's nearlly been a year since our little ones were born. Jacobs birthday will be next month and as you are the wiz kid with cakes...can I bake him a normal cake? Is he allowed to eat it...what with the eggs and stuff? Obviously he will only have a little bit!

    This week is a busy week for us, on Thursday we fly home to England for a visit to kind of say our goodbyes to everyone as it will probably be the last time to catch up before/if we move to Oz! So everyday that we are back home is full of catch ups, I can't wait to see all of my friends, some have got babies now and some are pregnant so that's going to be so exciting and they will also see me for the first time as a mum...awww! Can't wait to see my Brother, his partner and my neice and nephew and of course take a day to do shopping and stock up on english things...tetley tea bags are a must!

    Angel, unless he is allergic, there is no reason for him not to have eggs. Why not bake him cupcakes? That way he can have one to himself and it is a lot less time consuming than baking and frosting one big cake. Jimmy and his brother have eaten proper food since they were six months old, with no complications. We obviously didn't give them honey until they were one. I baked their cakes from scratch-- well until Boy 1 decided he wanted a Dalek cake when he turned 4.
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    Angel, unless he is allergic, there is no reason for him not to have eggs. Why not bake him cupcakes? That way he can have one to himself and it is a lot less time consuming than baking and frosting one big cake. Jimmy and his brother have eaten proper food since they were six months old, with no complications. We obviously didn't give them honey until they were one. I baked their cakes from scratch-- well until Boy 1 decided he wanted a Dalek cake when he turned 4.


    Oh good. I'm glad I'm not the only one. I got a ticking off from my HV when I told her about the cake I baked for my daughter's first birthday. I felt like the worst mother in the world. :confused:
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    Thx whydoiwatch...doing cupcakes is a great idea and will save me loads of time. I was worried about the eggs because on the food list from the pediatrician it says not to give babies egg whites until they are 13/14 months. I guess I could let him have a few mouthfulls then leave it a few hours, if no bad reaction let him have the rest of the cake.

    As for the honey, I know that's a big 'No No' but noticed on some of the Nestle fruit pots they sell overhere that from 6months there's one with fruits and honey in it!
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    You got told off epicurian? But that's ridiculous, babies need calories! They've got loads of growing to do! Obviously that doesn't mean feed them on kebabs and chocolate for every meal, but every half-intelligent mum knows that! Typical health visitor, assuming women don't have an ounce of common sense and need to be told how to raise their kids. My rule for Sam is that so long as he eats healthily 90% of the time, he's allowed the odd treat. Having said that, you have to control him when cake is in the vicinity as he'll do his very best to eat so much of it that he throws up! I don't have a sweet tooth at all and eat maybe three chocolate bars in a year, and cake only at birthdays - Ian mainlines flapjacks and muffins though, Sam is his father's son!

    AngelStar - egg is in loads of stuff, including pasta and I thought the advice was that egg whites are fine after 6 months anyway? Or is it yolks that are OK? Oh well, Sam's had cake and pasta and all sorts with egg in it from about 8 months, and loves tortilla and omelettes!
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    epicurian wrote: »
    Oh good. I'm glad I'm not the only one. I got a ticking off from my HV when I told her about the cake I baked for my daughter's first birthday. I felt like the worst mother in the world. :confused:

    I'm shocked that you got told off for baking her a cake! The reason I baked both my sons' cakes was because (especially with my eldest) I felt it would be better that I used organic eggs, milk and such and the cake would have no additives or preservatives in it. I baked him an Emeril Lagasse chocolate cake-- it was yum! I am also not a fan of the royal icing that is used on most store-bought cakes here in the UK--American birthday cakes are something I miss!

    I agree with squids-- no one is saying they should eat pie and chips and cola, but the odd treat is fine. My son eats what we and the cats eat.
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    epicurian wrote: »
    Oh good. I'm glad I'm not the only one. I got a ticking off from my HV when I told her about the cake I baked for my daughter's first birthday. I felt like the worst mother in the world. :confused:

    How crazy is you HV. Small amount of treats is not going to give bad eating habits to kids, in fact giving them no treats in my opinion is far worse and is giving them food issues right from the beginning.

    BTW on eggs, cooked yokes from 6 months, whites from 12 months unless there is a allergy in the familiy and then any egg products should be avoid till later.
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    Yep. She asked about Mary's birthday, and I told her about the cake I baked which I was v. proud of since my cakes normally come out of the oven looking like hockey pucks. HV literally looked down her nose at me and said, "and it was only for the adults, of course." When I told her we let my little girl eat (i.e. smear all over the place) the top tier, I got a mini lecture about rising rates of obesity, yadda yadda yadda.


    edit: Thanks everyone! I knew she was full of it, I just couldn't believe I was being told off. For the record, my daughter is in the 75th percentile for height and the 75th for weight, so by my estimation she's more or less perfect... but I would say that, wouldn't I? ;)
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    I remember when I was a kid that a couple of the kids in my class weren't allowed treats at all - they used to beg, borrow and steal sweets and crisps from the other kids at school! My mum used to give us ham sandwiches on white bread (crusts cut off), a Penguin bar, crisps and an apple, and my brother and sister and I have never had weight problems. I think the obesity problem has got more to do with kids not being allowed to walk to school, and sitting in front of computers instead of 'playing out' in the evenings and at weekends. But I digress! I agree with crbx that denying kids any kind of treats is more likely to create food issues than the reverse - making something 'forbidden' is just likely to make it more attractive to all but the very best behaved of kids.
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    epicurian wrote: »
    Yep. She asked about Mary's birthday, and I told her about the cake I baked which I was v. proud of since my cakes normally come out of the oven looking like hockey pucks. HV literally looked down her nose at me and said, "and it was only for the adults, of course." When I told her we let my little girl eat (i.e. smear all over the place) the top tier, I got a mini lecture about rising rates of obesity, yadda yadda yadda.

    Its exactly an attitude like that which helps cause food issues in kids. Small treats are not going to cause obesity. Not teaching kids about how to make healthy choices in the food and them binging on crap because it was banned when they were kids, that causes obesity,

    Was just watching the Jamie Oliver thing were he went to the US. They had 6 year olds who could not identify a potato or a tomoto yet knew what chips, chicken nuggets, pizza and burgers are. Also didn't know that chips came from potatoes. That is scary.
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    Hi all. Not been around for a bit - don't seem to have time for anything these days!:rolleyes:

    Angelstar - been trying to catch up on the thread to see what's been happening. I REALLY hope all is going well with you and things continue to improve with your OH. I'd like to think I'm a fairly decent dad and do at least my fair share with the wee fella and around the house too, but I was taught to do my fair share of housework since I was a kid anyway.

    I'd never claim that my wife and I had a perfect relationship, and since the wee fella arrived, there have obviously been new issues, which I suppose have only surfaced since the start of the year, but some of these issues have gone unresolved and steadily got worse. Mainly, its the effect we have felt on our personal relationship, as well as my wife needing some more time to herself (exacerbated by her family consuming a LOT of her time too), and getting time together as a family - at weekends for example. Not much then! :D

    The OH has actually been able to socialise much more than me (I've only been out with my mates 3 times this year), and while I miss it, I don't regret not getting out 'cos I'm spending the time with my boy. If my wife needs more time with her pals then so be it. Probably my biggest problems are that I have a poor imagination when it comes to thinking of things to do for the 3 of us when we have time together at the weekend, or thinking of toys/gifts to get him for his birthday or for Christmas coming up. I've addressed the former to a degree by making myself a list of places we can walk to where the destination might excite him like the park, or the museum to see the big stuffed animals or planes. I'm also trying to make time to spend just me and the wife, and make sure it is fun and not wasted.

    Still struggle to think of things to buy the wee fella though, and it seems as though this can come across as a lack of interest in him (so not true!), and that upsets my wife, which then makes me feel pretty sh*tty about myself, 'cos these are the things that are supposed to come naturally, or be easy, yeah?

    Anyway, don't know where that all came from. Dont worry Angelstar, I'm NOT saying to you "Give you man a break". I think its just a general message to several on here that we're not all bad - and sometimes we don't get a little bit of deserved credit. I think as long as I recognise and accept there are issues, and try to do something about them, I need to be happy with myself for that.

    Now, what was the question again?!?:confused:
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    c4rv wrote: »
    Its exactly an attitude like that which helps cause food issues in kids. Small treats are not going to cause obesity. Not teaching kids about how to make healthy choices in the food and them binging on crap because it was banned when they were kids, that causes obesity,

    Was just watching the Jamie Oliver thing were he went to the US. They had 6 year olds who could not identify a potato or a tomoto yet knew what chips, chicken nuggets, pizza and burgers are. Also didn't know that chips came from potatoes. That is scary.


    Oh, dear. Well, lets not start comparing notes, because the image Jamie painted of Rotherham wasn't much better. :eek: However, let me assure you that this American knows exactly what a tomato is and I'm fairly certain virtually all of my American friends and family are just as versed. :D

    I do agree with your overall point. I've been a type 1 diabetic since I was I was four, and for a lot of my life I had a horrible relationship with food where I pretty much thought of it as the enemy, which is why I'm determined to instill a healthy, more balanced attitude in my daughter, HVs be damned.


    Edit: Sorry, I should say that that first paragraph is just a general rant aimed at Jamie Oliver, not you. I am not a fan of his.
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    epicurian wrote: »
    Oh, dear. Well, lets not start comparing notes, because the image Jamie painted of Rotherham wasn't much better. :eek: However, let me assure you that this American knows exactly what a tomato is and I'm fairly certain virtually all of my American friends and family are just as versed. :D

    I do agree with your overall point. I've been a type 1 diabetic since I was I was four, and for a lot of my life I had a horrible relationship with food where I pretty much thought of it as the enemy, which is why I'm determined to instill a healthy, more balanced attitude in my daughter, HVs be damned.


    Edit: Sorry, I should say that that first paragraph is just a general rant aimed at Jamie Oliver, not you. I am not a fan of his.

    Sorry I was not picking on the US, its just that was the program I was watching last night. I am sure there are kids in the UK not much better and most kids in the US know what is a tomato.

    I remember stories in the UK about parents passing chips to their kids at lunchtime, I can understand where they come from potentially as some schools have gone totally OTT.

    I think my point being that arm your kids with the right information and let them make the choice. That includes letting them know the odd treat is not going to kill them.
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    c4rv wrote: »
    How crazy is you HV. Small amount of treats is not going to give bad eating habits to kids, in fact giving them no treats in my opinion is far worse and is giving them food issues right from the beginning.

    BTW on eggs, cooked yokes from 6 months, whites from 12 months unless there is a allergy in the familiy and then any egg products should be avoid till later.

    The egg thing must be something new because I never heard that when my eldest who is 7, was a baby. I knew that they could have eggs from 6 months, but I heard nothing about the whites and yolks. He ate it all and he has no issues. If I tried to feed Jimmy something different from his brother, he would literally climb over the high chair tray and try to nick it off Boy 1's plate. I've seen him do it with peas! Jimmy finished his and decided that he would take Boy 1's portion. The screams when Boy 1 withdrew his plate could probably be heard in the next county.

    I am pig sick of the food thing, to be honest. Every other hour it seems that you are feeding your baby the wrong thing. Makes me wonder how many of us born in the 70s managed to survive into adulthood. Some of the colours of 1970s cuisine did not occur in nature!
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    c4rv wrote: »
    Sorry I was not picking on the US, its just that was the program I was watching last night. I am sure there are kids in the UK not much better and most kids in the US know what is a tomato.

    I remember stories in the UK about parents passing chips to their kids at lunchtime, I can understand where they come from potentially as some schools have gone totally OTT.

    I think my point being that arm your kids with the right information and let them make the choice. That includes letting them know the odd treat is not going to kill them.


    Oh, I know you weren't having a go and I think you're spot on. Sorry for my mini rant. It really was aimed at Oliver. I think any good he may do or intends to do, is overshadowed by his massive ego. Is this latest project of his informative, or is it exploitative and dramatized for the sake of his god complex? Personally, I think these programs are borderline poverty porn and his scare-mongering puts him in the same category as my knee-jerk HV.

    (end rant :p)

    Re: The eggs. I give my daughter hard boiled eggs of which she prefers the whites and we've never had any problems. With her being such a picky eater as it is, I'm not going to start limiting her options even more.
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    epicurian wrote: »
    Oh, I know you weren't having a go and I think you're spot on. Sorry for my mini rant. It really was aimed at Oliver. I think any good he may do or intends to do, is overshadowed by his massive ego. Is this latest project of his informative, or is it exploitative and dramatized for the sake of his god complex? Personally, I think these programs are borderline poverty porn and his scare-mongering puts him in the same category as my knee-jerk HV.

    Whenever I am watching that stuff you got to realise that they sensationalises it as much as possible. I think it was 3 or 4 months of filming condensed down into 6 x 1 hour episodes. I would like to think his heart is in the right place and I do appreciate that he has done to bring attention t the subnet, not sure about his methods all the time.
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    RE ; The eggs, my dietitian told me they don't like to introduce eggs unless in cooked form - ie cake, pasta, etc etc, but not eggs on their own. Not sure why.

    The cake - I'm doing the little cupcakes idea for Lucys :D I'm sick of having leftover cake all the time lol. And if I do little cupcakes (I bought one of these cupcake stands lately for another persons bday, and it was a hit.) I can also make sure I do the cupcakes dairy free so that Lucy can have one which is my priority :D

    I TRIED planning her bday in advance yesterday - my god what a nightmare. Her birthday is 9th November which is a Tuesday, so I tried 4pm,,, but nope! Some people can't make it. So I changed to Sat 6th November only to be told by the OH "I'm working"... so I tried the 7th and everyone was fine with it... UNTIL.
    My MUM :rolleyes: - she will have my eldest daughter away for a few days and isn't back till that night.
    So for now I've given up. I might keep her day special for us as a little(big) family and have a day at the weekend where I'll put out a buffet or something and people can come and go. Can't be bothered with the stress.


    Anyone also remember the granny situation we were having? (trying to get access,,,,reporting us to SW before, then we had the kids taken while we were investigated?)
    Well it all blew up yesterday when we went on a shopping trip, she clocked us, and all hell broke loose - from her I might add, not us. She was ranting and raving like a lunatic. Her and her son, and they were both being so aggressive too :eek: All infront of the kids that she moans about not seeing :rolleyes:
    My stress levels have hit the roof.... the skin on my face has broken out something terrible and I've got barely a thing done today due to my mental state :(
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    Hello everyone, I don't have any children but I thought I'd post to ask you baby folks a question, something that's been on my mind a lot lately..........

    I'm 23, I'll be 24 next month. I still live with my mother and don't even have a boyfriend. Even if I did I really don't think I'm anywhere near ready to have a baby, not until I'm around 35 I don't think.......theres a lot I want to do before having a baby.

    I hear a lot about the importance of having a baby before you're 30, because apparently it's best to start a family in your 20s? The thing is I am 24 next month, so that gives me 6 years to find the right person, hopefully fall in love with them and start a family.......... am I over thinking this whole thing? Be honest, is mid 30s too old to start a family? Because that's the age I picture for myself.............
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    It might have been best to start your family when in your 20's when people lived to 50 years of age. Not the case anymore. There are still increasing risks the older you get but you are 100% better off having the baby when you are ready rather then resenting missing out on single life by having the baby when you are not ready.

    This is not to say that for some people starting family young is the wrong thing, just saying it nots the right thing for everyone.
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    Hello everyone, I don't have any children but I thought I'd post to ask you baby folks a question, something that's been on my mind a lot lately..........

    I'm 23, I'll be 24 next month. I still live with my mother and don't even have a boyfriend. Even if I did I really don't think I'm anywhere near ready to have a baby, not until I'm around 35 I don't think.......theres a lot I want to do before having a baby.

    I hear a lot about the importance of having a baby before you're 30, because apparently it's best to start a family in your 20s? The thing is I am 24 next month, so that gives me 6 years to find the right person, hopefully fall in love with them and start a family.......... am I over thinking this whole thing? Be honest, is mid 30s too old to start a family? Because that's the age I picture for myself.............

    I would hope mid-30s isn't too old to start a family - I've just turned 40 and the wee fella isn't yet 18 months!!!! Good manners prevent me from divulging my wife's age....;)

    Seriously - I don't feel we're too old. And I have no fears about being an older parent collecting him from school down the line - anyone dares refer to us as the grandparents and I'll happily 'correct' them. As far as I'm concerned, I'm still a young thing. Barring any medical issues, I'd say you've got plenty of time to enjoy yourself before thinking of starting a family.

    Oops - didn't mean that last line to be too personal or sound like I was prying! :o
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    RE ; The eggs, my dietitian told me they don't like to introduce eggs unless in cooked form - ie cake, pasta, etc etc, but not eggs on their own. Not sure why.

    The cake - I'm doing the little cupcakes idea for Lucys :D I'm sick of having leftover cake all the time lol. And if I do little cupcakes (I bought one of these cupcake stands lately for another persons bday, and it was a hit.) I can also make sure I do the cupcakes dairy free so that Lucy can have one which is my priority :D

    I TRIED planning her bday in advance yesterday - my god what a nightmare. Her birthday is 9th November which is a Tuesday, so I tried 4pm,,, but nope! Some people can't make it. So I changed to Sat 6th November only to be told by the OH "I'm working"... so I tried the 7th and everyone was fine with it... UNTIL.
    My MUM :rolleyes: - she will have my eldest daughter away for a few days and isn't back till that night.
    So for now I've given up. I might keep her day special for us as a little(big) family and have a day at the weekend where I'll put out a buffet or something and people can come and go. Can't be bothered with the stress.


    Anyone also remember the granny situation we were having? (trying to get access,,,,reporting us to SW before, then we had the kids taken while we were investigated?)
    Well it all blew up yesterday when we went on a shopping trip, she clocked us, and all hell broke loose - from her I might add, not us. She was ranting and raving like a lunatic. Her and her son, and they were both being so aggressive too :eek: All infront of the kids that she moans about not seeing :rolleyes:
    My stress levels have hit the roof.... the skin on my face has broken out something terrible and I've got barely a thing done today due to my mental state :(


    Bloody hell Sweety! So she saw you and just started screeching? Is she your husband's ex's mum? Apart from anything else - how embarrassing for you, you must have been mortified! No wonder you're a ball of stress, anyone would be. My advice is to pour yourself a nice big glass of wine as soon as you decently can!

    evesapple - I had my first kid at 33 and am planning a second one. No probs conceiving or with the pregnancy, although the birth was a 'mare - nothing to do with my age though. Apparently the quality of a woman's eggs starts dropping off at around 32, meaning after that you're more prone to miscarriage and it's harder to get pregnant, but it's not until you get past 40 really that this becomes a problem.
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    Hello everyone, I don't have any children but I thought I'd post to ask you baby folks a question, something that's been on my mind a lot lately..........

    I'm 23, I'll be 24 next month. I still live with my mother and don't even have a boyfriend. Even if I did I really don't think I'm anywhere near ready to have a baby, not until I'm around 35 I don't think.......theres a lot I want to do before having a baby.

    I hear a lot about the importance of having a baby before you're 30, because apparently it's best to start a family in your 20s? The thing is I am 24 next month, so that gives me 6 years to find the right person, hopefully fall in love with them and start a family.......... am I over thinking this whole thing? Be honest, is mid 30s too old to start a family? Because that's the age I picture for myself.............

    Depends. Had I not had my first son when I was 25, I never would have had children. I would have been too settled into being married without kids by then. I'm 33 and had a baby last year and as much as I would like a third child, it is not happening. There is a massive difference in the energy I had with my eldest versus my youngest. But then again, my youngest is very active, I have a much more demanding job and a bigger social life.

    There are very real issues regarding health and being able to conceive once you hit your late-30s. There is no sense in saying there isn't because that's a fact. However, you mental, emotional and financial state are just as important as your physical state and there is no sense in getting knocked up before you are ready just because your 20s is biologically the best time for you to do it.

    ETA-- it's late 30s not mid 30s-- though a friend's sister just had her first kid at 44. That's leaving a bit too long in my book.
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    Yeah, the energy levels thing is definitely true - I better have this second (and last) kid soon while I've still got a bit of energy left! I've no idea what it's like having them any younger - I wasn't with anyone I could realistically have a kid with in my 20s and the thought of being a mum absolutely terrified me until I got to about 30 - but the pros of being younger parents definitely include more energy and being used to being up at all hours! On the other hand, in your 30s, you tend to be financially settled (more so anyway!) and over the desire to go out and party. Pros and cons to both.

    On an aside - I see another child-hating thread has sprung up in Advice, this time in the guise of 'etiquette regarding babies.' 'Hating' babies is normal and fine apparently. Sure - if you're Hannibal Lecter. ;)
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    You can balance having less energy with having better life experiance to deal with the little sprogs.
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