There's something about her that I just don't get. I don't see anything about her that is enough to make her endearing (at least to me, in my opinion).
I was so excited to hear Nicky was taking part in SCD this year and am disappointed that he's been given to Karen. He obviously wants to learn, try something new and puts effort into learning, I know that at this stage he's quite a poor dancer but I feel that he could improve so much more if he had a 'better' partner - one that sticks to the rules, doesn't blame him for her mistakes and knows how to choreograph.
Have to say, I'm agreeing with the negative comments about Karen and she might well prove to be another Jared. HOWEVER, I think an element might also be the fault of the judges. More and more in previous years, they have been allowing illegal moves (often being inconsistent about that too), moving much more towards the Americanised version of the show. Karen may have been misled by this into thinking she can get away with things. This year, it looks as though the judges are becoming much stricter about requiring proper dance content and compliance with the rules (which I like a lot, and hope it continues). If Karen and Nicky stay in, I hope she will have learned her lesson. Trouble is, if they stay in I think they'll be back to ballroom next week, and I don't think Karen is any great shakes as a ballroom dancer. Having seen her in the pro dances, she seems to be amazing at Latin.
Yes, but at least Michael attempted to jive, and it was obviously a (terrible) attempt at a jive, Nicky's was completely unrecognisable. He's got good potential, and it's being wasted
I hope you're right but I'm not so sure. He can do a few boyband moves but as to whether he can improve as a dancer I'm not convinced yet.
Katya would have been a great partner for him. A travesty to get rid of that girl.
I hope you're right but I'm not so sure. He can do a few boyband moves but as to whether he can improve as a dancer I'm not convinced yet.
Katya would have been a great partner for him. A travesty to get rid of that girl.
Well if Nicky goes this week, someone on the production team will look a bit stupid. At least Katya stayed quite a few weeks in the previous series. In fact she was nearly there with Gavin Henson.
The thing is even if Karen wants to start doing it properly, she can't teach ballroom if she can't even do heel leads herself and the other more-seasoned pros are using these early dances to get the basics of Latin and ballroom taught. Whereas in 4 weeks, Nicky's learned virtually nothing.
She can't start from scratch now. I think she should call in help, but she won't.
The thing is even if Karen wants to start doing it properly, she can't teach ballroom if she can't even do heel leads herself and the other more-seasoned pros are using these early dances to get the basics of Latin and ballroom taught. Whereas in 4 weeks, Nicky's learned virtually nothing.
She can't start from scratch now. I think she should call in help, but she won't.
It makes you wonder why she was chosen over Katya. There must be loads of talented dancers out there so why choose her. Perhaps she comes cheap.
Well if Nicky goes this week, someone on the production team will look a bit stupid. At least Katya stayed quite a few weeks in the previous series. In fact she was nearly there with Gavin Henson.
I think they looked stupid as soon as they announced Katya was gone. She was everything I love in a strictly pro *sigh*.
I seem to remember the same crew last year giving Aliona a hard time. She won regardless. Boy Band stars have a good track record I expect you'll be complaining for quite a while!
Nicky is not one of my favourites but I would hate to see him go so soon. It's not his time. Both routines I have to say I disliked. Nicky definitely has musicality and rhythmn and I'm damm sure she could do a lot better with him. For god sake woman give him a bloody chance, he's obviously trying hard and wants to do well. I feel bad for him.
I doubt any of the younger pros have done any teaching prior to SCD. Its only hit and miss if they turn out to be good teachers.
I think all of the pros will have done teaching, that's how most dancers of any discipline make their money once they reach a certain level. Every amateur dancer I have ever known who has danced for more than a few years has done some kind of teaching.
I hope you're right but I'm not so sure. He can do a few boyband moves but as to whether he can improve as a dancer I'm not convinced yet.
Katya would have been a great partner for him. A travesty to get rid of that girl.
It makes you wonder why she was chosen over Katya. There must be loads of talented dancers out there so why choose her. Perhaps she comes cheap.
Does anyone know that Katya didn't just go her own way? Something I overheard at the Internationals on Thursday evening tells me that Katya might already have had her movie opportunities.
When she dances with Artem, her Latin is off-the-charts amazing. But did anybody bother to ask her if she could teach ballroom and Latin?
Good point can she actually teach and choreograph at all?
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but isn't all or most of the choreography on SYTYCD US done by specialist people?
And as regards her dancing with Artem, its ok - not too great. I want to see her do some sort of pro ballroom routine to see if she can cope with things like heel leads and heel turns but going on what happened last year only the ballroom pros (Vincent and Flavia, Brendan and Natalie and of course Anton and Erin) do the ballroom pro numbers. Of course with the Top Hat pro number next week we might get the chance to see what she can do.
Good point can she actually teach and choreograph at all?
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but isn't all or most of the choreography on SYTYCD US done by specialist people?
And as regards her dancing with Artem, its ok - not too great. I want to see her do some sort of pro ballroom routine to see if she can cope with things like heel leads and heel turns but going on what happened last year only the ballroom pros (Vincent and Flavia, Brendan and Natalie and of course Anton and Erin) do the ballroom pro numbers. Of course with the Top Hat pro number next week we might get the chance to see what she can do.
Last year Katya and Pasha choreographed that amazing Rolling in the Deep number (foxtrot? Can't just remember at the minute) that they performed with Natalie and Brendan.
I havent warmed to Karen, she should know the rules and not do that to her partner. I also think that her and Nicky dont seem to have a good relationship (not that they dont like each other) but I just dont see the chemistry.
She is a good pro dancer but unlike the other pros who are excellent in both types her strength is Latin. So far I dont think she a good teacher and I havent liked her choreagraphy.
Though its only Week two and Im sure Nicky has loads of fans voting so as the week progress I may warm to Karen.
I havent warmed to Karen, she should know the rules and not do that to her partner. I also think that her and Nicky dont seem to have a good relationship (not that they dont like each other) but I just dont see the chemistry.
She is a good pro dancer but unlike the other pros who are excellent in both types her strength is Latin. So far I dont think she a good teacher and I havent liked her choreagraphy.
Though its only Week two and Im sure Nicky has loads of fans voting so as the week progress I may warm to Karen.
She is such a lovely person - and is an absolutely outstanding pure Latin dancer. But agree that she hasn't come across well at all so far.
And I'm a huge fan of hers.
She is very 'Latin' in temperament as well - and I don't think Nicky 'gets' a Latin woman! he would have worked better with Flavia and Louis with Karen, in terms of their respective temperaments.
He is a poor dancer - in terms of posture, and emoting, just really not good at all - I think he would be like this though with whoever he danced with at first - but I'd like to see her correct some of his faults. Hopefully she will - but I've never seen Karen do ballroom - ever, so not sure if she's ever taught it before.
So I agree with you Alli when you said did anyone ask her if she could teach ballroom!
I just love her socks off - she's a very humourous and warm person - but its not working well on the show so far.
When she dances with Artem, her Latin is off-the-charts amazing. But did anybody bother to ask her if she could teach ballroom and Latin?
I'm not that impressed with her Latin tbh, I thought she looked really messy in the pro dance last week compared to some of the others. I've never had any inclination to see Burn the Floor though, so I can only judge on what I've seen on Strictly, and in the pro dance last week and the cha cha last night I really wasn't impressed.
I'd be very interested as well to see her in a ballroom pro dance, as even the other pros who aren't great at ballroom (the Jordans etc) can dance it fairly competently.
BIB: Exactly this,,the judges need to be harsh with her and tell her straight that her choreography is the problem.
Nicky is just a clod, and while perhaps a different routine might have been able to have hidden that better, no one could have made him a high quality dancer in the few weeks together.
Oh, and the professional shouldn't try to out-dance her amateur partner, so I'm not concerned at all about Karen's own dancing.
Nicky is just a clod, and while perhaps a different routine might have been able to have hidden that better, no one could have made him a high quality dancer in the few weeks together.
Oh, and the professional shouldn't try to out-dance her amateur partner, so I'm not concerned at all about Karen's own dancing.
very true. Nicky's fans have overlooked the fact that he was struggling in practice even with last night's minimal CCC routine and was storming off, etc. :rolleyes:
Im hoping that people vote for him to keep him in cause he doesnt deserve to go. However, if she carries on like she has up to now, then he stands no chance at all. Its a shame because I think he could have alot of potential with the right partner.
The thing is even if Karen wants to start doing it properly, she can't teach ballroom if she can't even do heel leads herself and the other more-seasoned pros are using these early dances to get the basics of Latin and ballroom taught. Whereas in 4 weeks, Nicky's learned virtually nothing.
She can't start from scratch now. I think she should call in help, but she won't.
I agree that there seems to be no technique being learned that will help him correct his faults and progress with the other dances to come. The problem is getting bigger as time passes and Nicky still seems to be dancing like he did in Westlife.
If Karen doesn't have the background to teach ballroom then I would blame the producers, not Karen. Her partner is an expert ballroom and latin dancer, so I thought maybe things would be OK. I'm sure Karen is putting the effort in, but so far it seems misdirected.
I originally thought Nicky would do very well based on his dancing with Westlife, but he would need a lot of things corrected and the time for that to happen was the first 3 weeks. He still has a hunched slouched posture and it all looks a bit rough. He maybe isnt as good as I first thought, but he should be doing a lot better than he is.
As I said, I'm wondering have the producers made a big mistake?
very true. Nicky's fans have overlooked the fact that he was struggling in practice even with last night's minimal CCC routine and was storming off, etc. :rolleyes:
And Karen is having to provide the personality for both of them (sorry Nicky fans - if you're not already a fan of him, he doesn't come across as being that interesting).
Not convinced that Karen is the greatest teacher (surely she could have improved Nicky's posture a bit more?), or the world's greatest choreographer (there was too much anger in that routine!), but she's interesting and a bit different, so I'm happy to see her come back next year.
Don't rate their chances at all this year, and I doubt the producers do either, as they stuck them on first...
I cannot see her being invited back again next year when she is doing such a dire job in the opening two shows.
I feel for Nicky and I think he is right to be a bit uptight about things he is not getting the guiding support or dance steps he needs and I believe someone needs to step in and help out. I do realise help should not be needed as she is a pro but clearly she is out of her depth.
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I was so excited to hear Nicky was taking part in SCD this year and am disappointed that he's been given to Karen. He obviously wants to learn, try something new and puts effort into learning, I know that at this stage he's quite a poor dancer but I feel that he could improve so much more if he had a 'better' partner - one that sticks to the rules, doesn't blame him for her mistakes and knows how to choreograph.
I do wonder why they swapped Katya for Karen.
I hope you're right but I'm not so sure. He can do a few boyband moves but as to whether he can improve as a dancer I'm not convinced yet.
Katya would have been a great partner for him. A travesty to get rid of that girl.
She is certainly a very good dancer of some genres.
I expect that Karen is doing her best (unless she has instructions to do otherwise).
The producers are the ones who are responsible for hiring the pros and saying what they want from them.
Well if Nicky goes this week, someone on the production team will look a bit stupid. At least Katya stayed quite a few weeks in the previous series. In fact she was nearly there with Gavin Henson.
She can't start from scratch now.
It makes you wonder why she was chosen over Katya. There must be loads of talented dancers out there so why choose her. Perhaps she comes cheap.
When she dances with Artem, her Latin is off-the-charts amazing. But did anybody bother to ask her if she could teach ballroom and Latin?
I think they looked stupid as soon as they announced Katya was gone. She was everything I love in a strictly pro *sigh*.
I doubt any of the younger pros have done any teaching prior to SCD. Its only hit and miss if they turn out to be good teachers.
I think all of the pros will have done teaching, that's how most dancers of any discipline make their money once they reach a certain level. Every amateur dancer I have ever known who has danced for more than a few years has done some kind of teaching.
Does anyone know that Katya didn't just go her own way? Something I overheard at the Internationals on Thursday evening tells me that Katya might already have had her movie opportunities.
Good point can she actually teach and choreograph at all?
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but isn't all or most of the choreography on SYTYCD US done by specialist people?
And as regards her dancing with Artem, its ok - not too great. I want to see her do some sort of pro ballroom routine to see if she can cope with things like heel leads and heel turns but going on what happened last year only the ballroom pros (Vincent and Flavia, Brendan and Natalie and of course Anton and Erin) do the ballroom pro numbers. Of course with the Top Hat pro number next week we might get the chance to see what she can do.
Last year Katya and Pasha choreographed that amazing Rolling in the Deep number (foxtrot? Can't just remember at the minute) that they performed with Natalie and Brendan.
Aliona was teaching ballroom from her mid teens. She did several jobs to help fund her competition dancing when she moved to the USA with her family.
She is a good pro dancer but unlike the other pros who are excellent in both types her strength is Latin. So far I dont think she a good teacher and I havent liked her choreagraphy.
Though its only Week two and Im sure Nicky has loads of fans voting so as the week progress I may warm to Karen.
She is such a lovely person - and is an absolutely outstanding pure Latin dancer. But agree that she hasn't come across well at all so far.
And I'm a huge fan of hers.
She is very 'Latin' in temperament as well - and I don't think Nicky 'gets' a Latin woman! he would have worked better with Flavia and Louis with Karen, in terms of their respective temperaments.
He is a poor dancer - in terms of posture, and emoting, just really not good at all - I think he would be like this though with whoever he danced with at first - but I'd like to see her correct some of his faults. Hopefully she will - but I've never seen Karen do ballroom - ever, so not sure if she's ever taught it before.
So I agree with you Alli when you said did anyone ask her if she could teach ballroom!
I just love her socks off - she's a very humourous and warm person - but its not working well on the show so far.
Her dancing with Artem, however, is fantastic!
I'm not that impressed with her Latin tbh, I thought she looked really messy in the pro dance last week compared to some of the others. I've never had any inclination to see Burn the Floor though, so I can only judge on what I've seen on Strictly, and in the pro dance last week and the cha cha last night I really wasn't impressed.
I'd be very interested as well to see her in a ballroom pro dance, as even the other pros who aren't great at ballroom (the Jordans etc) can dance it fairly competently.
Nicky is just a clod, and while perhaps a different routine might have been able to have hidden that better, no one could have made him a high quality dancer in the few weeks together.
Oh, and the professional shouldn't try to out-dance her amateur partner, so I'm not concerned at all about Karen's own dancing.
very true. Nicky's fans have overlooked the fact that he was struggling in practice even with last night's minimal CCC routine and was storming off, etc. :rolleyes:
Spot on:(
I agree that there seems to be no technique being learned that will help him correct his faults and progress with the other dances to come. The problem is getting bigger as time passes and Nicky still seems to be dancing like he did in Westlife.
If Karen doesn't have the background to teach ballroom then I would blame the producers, not Karen. Her partner is an expert ballroom and latin dancer, so I thought maybe things would be OK. I'm sure Karen is putting the effort in, but so far it seems misdirected.
I originally thought Nicky would do very well based on his dancing with Westlife, but he would need a lot of things corrected and the time for that to happen was the first 3 weeks. He still has a hunched slouched posture and it all looks a bit rough. He maybe isnt as good as I first thought, but he should be doing a lot better than he is.
As I said, I'm wondering have the producers made a big mistake?
And Karen is having to provide the personality for both of them (sorry Nicky fans - if you're not already a fan of him, he doesn't come across as being that interesting).
Not convinced that Karen is the greatest teacher (surely she could have improved Nicky's posture a bit more?), or the world's greatest choreographer (there was too much anger in that routine!), but she's interesting and a bit different, so I'm happy to see her come back next year.
Don't rate their chances at all this year, and I doubt the producers do either, as they stuck them on first...
I feel for Nicky and I think he is right to be a bit uptight about things he is not getting the guiding support or dance steps he needs and I believe someone needs to step in and help out. I do realise help should not be needed as she is a pro but clearly she is out of her depth.