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Help - running out of hard drive space!

as you can see below my PC is configured with two drives - the C drive is now hopelessly full, I've deleted everything I can.

is there a way to increase the space on my C drive? Or will I have to buy a new hard drive?

thanks

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    JeffG1JeffG1 Posts: 15,275
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    75GB is tiny for a system disk these days. Are they two separate physical drives, or one drive partitioned into two?

    Disk drives are cheap as chips these days (an SSD for the C drive may cost a little more but worth the extra). A 250GB SSD would set you back £73 on Amazon.

    You could clone the C drive using something like Macrium Reflect Free on to a larger disk temporarily plugged into a USB caddy, then replace your C drive in the PC with the new one.

    I am assuming your disks are SATA, rather than IDE?
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    Strange QuarkStrange Quark Posts: 193
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    75GB is tiny for a system disk these days. Are they two separate physical drives, or one drive partitioned into two?

    I think they're two separate drives. unfortunately that's what my PC came with


    Disk drives are cheap as chips these days (an SSD for the C drive may cost a little more but worth the extra). A 250GB SSD would set you back £73 on Amazon.

    forgive me I'm not tech-savvy. Are you saying I could add more drive space to the C drive or replace it with a whole new drive? Would I have to get a professional to do that? I don't fancy mucking around with my PC drives when I don't know what I'm doing


    You could clone the C drive using something like Macrium Reflect Free on to a larger disk temporarily plugged into a USB caddy, then replace your C drive in the PC with the new one.

    I am assuming your disks are SATA, rather than IDE?

    sorry I don't know what that means :blush:
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    LION8TIGERLION8TIGER Posts: 8,484
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    I would imagine it is 2 partitions on a 500GB drive, the figures add up to that (465GB).
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    chrisjrchrisjr Posts: 33,282
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    I think they're two separate drives. unfortunately that's what my PC came with
    It is more likely they are two partitions on a single physical drive. This shows you how to access the Disk Management utility in Windows. Just click on the version of Windows you have to see what to do.

    http://support.wdc.com/KnowledgeBase/answer.aspx?ID=1284

    Once open the lower section of Disk Manager shows the physical drives in rows. Partitions on the drive are shown as blocks in the rows (see the images in the link above). If you have two physical drives you will see a Drive 0 and Drive 1 each with a block labelled as C: or D: as appropriate. A single drive divided into partitions will just show Drive 0 with two (or maybe more) blocks one labelled C: and the other D:.
    forgive me I'm not tech-savvy. Are you saying I could add more drive space to the C drive or replace it with a whole new drive? Would I have to get a professional to do that? I don't fancy mucking around with my PC drives when I don't know what I'm doing
    You cannot add space to a hard drive. It basically has whatever space the manufacturer gave it in the factory. The only way you could increase the size of the C: drive is if the drive is partitioned and not all of the drive space has been allocated. If there is an amount of unused space on the drive then you may be able to use partitioning software to rearrange how the drive is partitioned to use up this free space. But I guess that may be outside your comfort zone. :)

    If there is no free space on the drive (Disk Manager referred to above will show you if there is) then the only way to increase the size of the C: drive is to install a new physical drive. Either to replace the existing drive completely or to use as the D: drive if both existing C: and D: are on the same physical drive. You copy over the existing D: drive to the new drive then use partitioning tools to remove the old D: drive and use the space freed up to increase the size of the C: drive.
    sorry I don't know what that means :blush:
    Cloning means using software to make an exact copy of one drive on another drive. With some cloning software you can also increase the size of the partitions allocated to C: and D:. The new drive therefore becomes a clone of the old one but with more room.

    IDE and SATA are the interfaces used to connect the hard drive to the PC, if you like what plugs and cables are used. You can get adapters that allow you to plug an internal hard drive into a USB port so that you can clone the PC drive without having to open up the case and try and find a spare set of connectors. You do the cloning externally then when finished swap the drives over inside the PC.
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    MaxatoriaMaxatoria Posts: 17,980
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    First bet might just be to get ccleaner and give it a run over, will get rid of loads of crap probably.
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    Strange QuarkStrange Quark Posts: 193
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    chrisjr wrote: »
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    thanks for the detalied reply. :)

    I've checked and you're right it is one physical drive split into two. Does Windows 7 have a way that I can move space from D: to C: , or will I need some special software to do that?

    seems like that's the best option
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    Strange QuarkStrange Quark Posts: 193
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    Maxatoria wrote: »
    First bet might just be to get ccleaner and give it a run over, will get rid of loads of crap probably.

    I've done ccleaner. In fact I have to use it to constantly manually delete 'restore points' which use up a lot of space
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    RobinOfLoxleyRobinOfLoxley Posts: 27,040
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    thanks for the detalied reply. :)

    I've checked and you're right it is one physical drive split into two. Does Windows 7 have a way that I can move space from D: to C: , or will I need some special software to do that?

    seems like that's the best option

    Yes. It is in fact very easy, even for beginners.

    Strictly, there is a small risk of corruption so it is best to backup.

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    Install MiniTool Partition Wizard Free and run it.

    Here are my partitions - https://postimg.org/image/hj87wrzmt/

    I have G and F instead of your D

    Right click your D: and Move/resize
    Drag left side of partition to the right. I'd suggest you pinch about 50-100GB
    Click Apply

    It will take a while

    Right click C: and drag right side to fill the space. Apply. This time will be quick.
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    Strange QuarkStrange Quark Posts: 193
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    Yes. It is in fact very easy, even for beginners.

    Strictly, there is a small risk of corruption so it is best to backup.

    =-=-=-=

    Install MiniTool Partition Wizard Free and run it.

    Here are my partitions - https://postimg.org/image/hj87wrzmt/

    I have G and F instead of your D

    Right click your D: and Move/resize
    Drag left side of partition to the right. I'd suggest you pinch about 50-100GB
    Click Apply

    It will take a while

    Right click C: and drag right side to fill the space. Apply. This time will be quick.

    thanks for the help. I'll do that

    by backup do you mean I should just save my files onto a memory stick or are there other backups I should do before the partition?
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    RobinOfLoxleyRobinOfLoxley Posts: 27,040
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    The best way is to copy (Image) your whole system to an external hard drive using a backup Imaging program.

    If you only have Flash Sticks, keep copies of your most important files on them or in the Cloud eg Dropbox / Google Drive / OneDrive

    One day, your main drive will fail.
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    JeffG1JeffG1 Posts: 15,275
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    chrisjr: thanks for your clear explanation of the things I said in my post that weren't understood by the OP :)

    Strange Quark: good luck - it sounds like it shouldn't be too much of a problem for you.
    Following the link from RoL, if you're not up with the terminology, 1TB (terabyte) = 1000GB
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    chrisjrchrisjr Posts: 33,282
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    thanks for the help. I'll do that

    by backup do you mean I should just save my files onto a memory stick or are there other backups I should do before the partition?
    Always always always always back-up important data that you cannot easily replace before you so much as look at a hard drive. :)

    You can use the built in Windows tools or something like Macrium Reflect free (http://www.macrium.com/reflectfree.aspx) to do this.

    You should preferably make at least two separate back-ups on separate media, eg two separate USB hard drives, one USB hard drive and cloud storage such as OneDrive or similar services. And always check the back-up is valid before you attack the originals. By this I mean try to restore a less important file from the back-up set back to your hard drive. Better to find out the back-up is corrupt while you still have the chance to correct it rather than after all the mucking about with the hard drive has zapped the original files into oblivion.
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    spiney2spiney2 Posts: 27,058
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    I wd also recommend minitool, if you wish to repartition your drive, it's user friendly, probably the best repartitioning tool bar none. However, you can always buy a seagate usb plug in external drive, just transfer files across from your main computer, using the mouse as u normally would. Easily available at Currys and Maplin shops, or by post of course .....,....
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    spiney2spiney2 Posts: 27,058
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    The external hard disk is very much cheaper than a usb memory stick !
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    d'@ved'@ve Posts: 45,530
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    Just to add a couple of points:

    There appears to be plenty of free space on drive D to shrink it by say 50GB using Windows' built-in Disk Management, then expand drive C using the same Windows utility. After doing a backup of important data of course as mentioned. No need to install third party utilities.

    And Windows will run perfectly happily for years on a 75GB hard disk or partition if you periodically uninstall old and unused disk-hungry programs, get rid of data files that can be deleted or moved to your main data disk ( D : ) and disable fast start, sleep, hibernation etc., which can take up humongous amounts of space - though to be fair the latter works better with a faster solid state drive (SSD) rather than a hard disk, and with lots of memory (16GB here) as you can then limit or disable swap files, which also take up oodles of space.

    I have been running Windows 8 on my 75GB SSD partition for well over 2 years and it still has 10GB free space and runs as fast as it ever did. I make sure my data is primarily saved to my 5TB of data disks not drive C. I have 74 programs or program groups currently installed, not to mention all the unwanted "Apps" - though I do completely ignore the latter.
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    RobinOfLoxleyRobinOfLoxley Posts: 27,040
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    d'@ve wrote: »
    There appears to be plenty of free space on drive D to shrink it by say 50GB using Windows' built-in Disk Management, then expand drive C using the same Windows utility. After doing a backup of important data of course as mentioned. No need to install third party utilities.

    Windows Disk Management is not worthy of its name and has been a huge heap of poo for many years.

    Here's what I just got on a quick practice to see if I was being unfair
    After, first getting a "Not enough Disk Space" error, I tried again to reduce my F partition by 1GB, which was allowed only on the right of the partition.

    Trouble is, now I can't expand G to fill it with Disk Management
    Disk Management does not have a Move Partition function

    3rd Party Managers are essential for any serious, or even trivial, partition operations
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    d'@ved'@ve Posts: 45,530
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    Windows Disk Management is not worthy of its name and has been a huge heap of poo for many years.

    I'm not suggesting that Disk Management is the best, but for simple tasks usually including shrink/expand, it works for me. Anything complex or if DskMgt won't do it, I do use 3rd party stuff, EaseUS Partition Master IIRC the last time.
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    chrisjrchrisjr Posts: 33,282
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    d'@ve wrote: »
    I'm not suggesting that Disk Management is the best, but for simple tasks usually including shrink/expand, it works for me. Anything complex or if DskMgt won't do it, I do use 3rd party stuff, EaseUS Partition Master IIRC the last time.

    Trouble is if you have a drive with two partitions C and D with D immediately to the right of C there is no way to resize D so that you can expand C into the space freed up using Windows Disk Manager.

    The free space would be created to the right of the newly sized D and you cannot move D over so that the free space now appears between C and D.

    You would have to delete D completely, resize C then create a new D.
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    oilmanoilman Posts: 4,529
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    chrisjr wrote: »
    Trouble is if you have a drive with two partitions C and D with D immediately to the right of C there is no way to resize D so that you can expand C into the space freed up using Windows Disk Manager.

    The free space would be created to the right of the newly sized D and you cannot move D over so that the free space now appears between C and D.

    You would have to delete D completely, resize C then create a new D.

    This is 100% correct. Windows can only resize to space on the right. Minitool as RoL says is a good and reliable tool to do this
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    JeffG1JeffG1 Posts: 15,275
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    It's probably not necessary to point out that deleting the D partition in order to increase the size of the C partition would delete all the data currently on the D drive, so everything would need backing up to an external drive first.:)
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    chrisjrchrisjr Posts: 33,282
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    JeffG1 wrote: »
    It's probably not necessary to point out that deleting the D partition in order to increase the size of the C partition would delete all the data currently on the D drive, so everything would need backing up to an external drive first.:)

    You would hope so.

    But then again I do know some computer users who would be quite capable of deleting anything from a folder to a complete disk partition then come running asking "what the #@%# happened to my files?" :o:D
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    d'@ved'@ve Posts: 45,530
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    chrisjr wrote: »
    Trouble is if you have a drive with two partitions C and D with D immediately to the right of C there is no way to resize D so that you can expand C into the space freed up using Windows Disk Manager.

    The free space would be created to the right of the newly sized D and you cannot move D over so that the free space now appears between C and D.

    True and yes, that's the O/P's situation, I've used 3rd. party in that situation too but more often, in what I referred to as simple cases, I just need to shrink D (my data disk) to create space to the right for a new partition/s e.g. for a/n additional multi-boot operating system/s. I do that a lot and just use disk management for it.
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    Jedi_KnightJedi_Knight Posts: 613
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    Getting External Hard Drives are a must for space issues.

    Go for 1TB, if you can, if not, 500GB.
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    Strange QuarkStrange Quark Posts: 193
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    JeffG1 wrote: »
    It's probably not necessary to point out that deleting the D partition in order to increase the size of the C partition would delete all the data currently on the D drive, so everything would need backing up to an external drive first.:)

    are you saying that if I follow the method outlined in post #9 above it will delete everything on my D drive?

    I thought I would just be taking some space from it and putting it on C:
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    chrisjrchrisjr Posts: 33,282
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    are you saying that if I follow the method outlined in post #9 above it will delete everything on my D drive?

    I thought I would just be taking some space from it and putting it on C:

    If you follow the procedure in post 9 then that does not involve deleting the D partition.The post you replied to was in response to my post about not being able to resize C using the built in Windows tools unless you delete D. The post 9 method does not involve deleting any partitions. So in theory no data will be affected.

    But having said that only a brain dead moron with no functioning brain cells left would so much as look at a hard drive without backing up everything first (at least twice) and checking that the back-ups are working. And you are not a brain dead moron are you? :)

    So back-up everything, C and D as both partitions are involved. Preferably make two separate back-ups to separate USB drives or whatever. Then try and restore a file from each back-up set to make sure that they are both viable and not corrupt.

    Then follow the rest of Post 9.
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