Ireland are just another side. Not a home nation. Thats all.
Not a "home" nation (even though they are the national team of many people in the partitioned part of Ireland for reasons that don't belong on this forum but a debate that you've attempted to stir) but very certainly not just another side.
There really is no point in pointing out to you all the reasons historical and geographical reasons why...
It's a BRITISH broadcaster. It has no official tie to Ireland no public service broadcasting stuff tied in. Thats all. Nothing political or controversial.
Personally think its a shame we won't see Henry squirm but there we go!
When ROI were playing Italy, a lot of people were supporting them in the UK, my area particularly, pubs were full and people were urging them to score and when they did score there was an almighty celebration.
In the UK a lot of people feel affection towards RoI because there players are very familiar and I would guess a lot of them would support RoI as they would do the home nations.
You are obviously - for some strange reason - unaware that the BBC broadcasts to (and in) Northern Ireland?
Putting "that's all" at the end of any point you make doesn't close out any debate btw ;-)
Yes and Northern Ireland is British. Plenty of non brits in the uk doesn't mean bbc has to put their needs first. It's not like ITV v BBC is a huge issue anyway!!
Yes and Northern Ireland is British. Plenty of non brits in the uk doesn't mean bbc has to put their needs first. It's not like ITV v BBC is a huge issue anyway!!
It is a shame to have to teach you some geography - Northern Ireland is part of the UK - NOT a part of Britain.
The island of Ireland forms part of the British Isles ( a geographical rather than political title)
Your argument was that the BBC is not in Ireland.
It is, or to be specific, in the Irish part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. ;-)
The people in Northern Ireland are, of course, Irish, a majority of whom are very happy to remain under British rule. A majority of them would be massively insulted and angry about calling them British btw.
And because of the uniqueness of the landscape there a fair proportion of the population of Northern Ireland see Ireland as their home team. For many of them it's not a political thing - it just is.
Don't forget the many millions with Irish ancestry. I know people with an Irish grandfather who still claim to be Irish.
Yes i have various nationalities from grandparents/great grandparents and i guess many people do. Does the bbc have to pander to us too? I know far more polish people than people who are irish or rather jump on irish bandwagons, should they factor into bbc thinking?
If the choice was bbc v Sky or BT i could understand people being very slightly miffed but thats not the case with another FTA broadcaster!
Ireland are just another side. Not a home nation. Thats all.
Not a home nation but there's certainly a closer relationship between the home nations and Ireland than the home nations and other nations that means while Ireland aren't technically a home nation they aren't seen as a foreign country in the same way say Finland would be.
Can't understand all this bickering over ROI. I live In NI and come from a unionist background but when ROI are playing I support them against all other teams except NI. I accept that a substantial number of people here in NI have an affinity towards ROI team and I have no problem with that. NI (as in the country) even provide players for ROI team e.g. James McClean but that's another story. I think its a pity BBC chose not to show ROI vs France live and I will have to put up with adverts either via ITV or RTE but there you go.
BBC have picked Wales V Northern Ireland and Spain v Italy as second and third picks.
ITV will show France v Republic of Ireland, Germany v Slovakia and Croatia v Portugal
I think ITV won here. The fact that 5 of the 8 matches are big makes the BBC's 3rd pick kinda pointless. The BBC will also likely not be able to take advantage of having the first Quarter Final when England don't make it.
BBC:
Wales v Northern Ireland - huge (domestically)
Spain v Italy - huge
Hungary v Belgium - meh
Switzerland v Poland - meh
ITV:
England v Iceland - huge (domestically)
France v Ireland - big (domestically)
Croatia v Portugal - big
Germany v Slovakia - meh
Croatia v Portugal might not sound big on paper but they are the two favourites from the top half of the draw, and one of them is going home! The BBC made the correct picks IMO. Yes, France v Ireland would've been fun with Henry but on the whole, Spain v Italy is the bigger game. As fun as the match will be, no-one expects Ireland to win.
In the event that England make it to the quarter-finals, I assume the BBC's second pick for that round will be Wales/NI v Belgium/Hungary, gifting ITV a potentially juicy Germany v Italy/Spain clash.
Also, if neither Wales nor NI make the semis, the BBC's 2nd pick in that round would be some combination of Switzerland/Poland/Croatia/Portugal vs Belgium/Hungary, which makes ITV's pick choices this tournament seem even stronger!
Of course, a home nation is guaranteed in the quarter finals now so we can confirm right now that the second quarter final on Friday involving Wales or Northern Ireland will be on the BBC. If they have that and England, that would be a barnstorming weekend.
Yes, one semi-final is going to be slightly weaker, but I think Portugal vs Belgium would be a big game, Ronaldo vs a load of famous Premier League players. And if it's not them, then there'll be a big story anyway because a relative minnow (or two) will be in there.
Yes i have various nationalities from grandparents/great grandparents and i guess many people do. Does the bbc have to pander to us too? I know far more polish people than people who are irish or rather jump on irish bandwagons, should they factor into bbc thinking?
If the choice was bbc v Sky or BT i could understand people being very slightly miffed but thats not the case with another FTA broadcaster!
I'm not miffed at all, I'm surprised it certainly not miffed.
I thought the BBC would go for the biggest potential audience, which I reckon is Ireland for reasons stated.
Of course, a home nation is guaranteed in the quarter finals now so we can confirm right now that the second quarter final on Friday involving Wales or Northern Ireland will be on the BBC. If they have that and England, that would be a barnstorming weekend.
Yes, one semi-final is going to be slightly weaker, but I think Portugal vs Belgium would be a big game, Ronaldo vs a load of famous Premier League players. And if it's not them, then there'll be a big story anyway because a relative minnow (or two) will be in there.
Edit: Just realised you were referring to the semi-finals. Sneaky! I'll leave it as is anyway....
I know that you like a bit of pedantry Steve, so I'll go ahead...
Portugal and Belgium are in different quarters of the draw. The BBC are looking at the possibility of Wales/NI-Belgium on the Friday night with France-England on the Sunday night.
That likely leaves ITV with the not so attractive Germany-Spain(!) and Switzerland/Poland-Croatia/Portugal on the Thursday and Saturday respectively.
Some may feel that the BBC missing out on a blockbuster like Germany-Spain despite having the first two picks is a disaster, but for me it would be well worth it for what they're getting instead. France-England speaks for itself, while whichever of Wales and Northern Ireland progresses is going to be looking at the biggest game in their history. You might even say that about the Last 16 tie.
And of course, this is all hypothetical given that the Last 16 is yet to play out!
I think the BBC coverage was pretty poor there in switching from Switzerland v Poland to Wales v Northern Ireland. They could have at least given it a minute or so, just to review the goals and missed penalties if nothing else.
I think the BBC coverage was pretty poor there in switching from Switzerland v Poland to Wales v Northern Ireland. They could have at least given it a minute or so, just to review the goals and missed penalties if nothing else.
No I dont agree, they have had to seriously curtail their build up as it is, the extra time and penalties didnt really need much to be said
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Fair? nope !
What has that got to do with the price of fish?
So the BBC are treating Portugal as being British just because they have shown them live?
No logic to your missive.
ITV had plenty of opportunities to pick at least one of Portugal's group games.
Ireland are just another side. Not a home nation. Thats all.
Not a "home" nation (even though they are the national team of many people in the partitioned part of Ireland for reasons that don't belong on this forum but a debate that you've attempted to stir) but very certainly not just another side.
There really is no point in pointing out to you all the reasons historical and geographical reasons why...
Personally think its a shame we won't see Henry squirm but there we go!
You are obviously - for some strange reason - unaware that the BBC broadcasts to (and in) Northern Ireland?
Putting "that's all" at the end of any point you make doesn't close out any debate btw ;-)
When ROI were playing Italy, a lot of people were supporting them in the UK, my area particularly, pubs were full and people were urging them to score and when they did score there was an almighty celebration.
In the UK a lot of people feel affection towards RoI because there players are very familiar and I would guess a lot of them would support RoI as they would do the home nations.
Yes and Northern Ireland is British. Plenty of non brits in the uk doesn't mean bbc has to put their needs first. It's not like ITV v BBC is a huge issue anyway!!
It is a shame to have to teach you some geography - Northern Ireland is part of the UK - NOT a part of Britain.
The island of Ireland forms part of the British Isles ( a geographical rather than political title)
Your argument was that the BBC is not in Ireland.
It is, or to be specific, in the Irish part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. ;-)
The people in Northern Ireland are, of course, Irish, a majority of whom are very happy to remain under British rule. A majority of them would be massively insulted and angry about calling them British btw.
And because of the uniqueness of the landscape there a fair proportion of the population of Northern Ireland see Ireland as their home team. For many of them it's not a political thing - it just is.
That's all.
Don't forget the many millions with Irish ancestry. I know people with an Irish grandfather who still claim to be Irish.
Yes i have various nationalities from grandparents/great grandparents and i guess many people do. Does the bbc have to pander to us too? I know far more polish people than people who are irish or rather jump on irish bandwagons, should they factor into bbc thinking?
If the choice was bbc v Sky or BT i could understand people being very slightly miffed but thats not the case with another FTA broadcaster!
Not a home nation but there's certainly a closer relationship between the home nations and Ireland than the home nations and other nations that means while Ireland aren't technically a home nation they aren't seen as a foreign country in the same way say Finland would be.
I think ITV won here. The fact that 5 of the 8 matches are big makes the BBC's 3rd pick kinda pointless. The BBC will also likely not be able to take advantage of having the first Quarter Final when England don't make it.
BBC:
Wales v Northern Ireland - huge (domestically)
Spain v Italy - huge
Hungary v Belgium - meh
Switzerland v Poland - meh
ITV:
England v Iceland - huge (domestically)
France v Ireland - big (domestically)
Croatia v Portugal - big
Germany v Slovakia - meh
Croatia v Portugal might not sound big on paper but they are the two favourites from the top half of the draw, and one of them is going home! The BBC made the correct picks IMO. Yes, France v Ireland would've been fun with Henry but on the whole, Spain v Italy is the bigger game. As fun as the match will be, no-one expects Ireland to win.
I see more Polish people in my town then even British people !! we are now the minority !
I'm thinking I might have to learn Polish soon..
Of course, a home nation is guaranteed in the quarter finals now so we can confirm right now that the second quarter final on Friday involving Wales or Northern Ireland will be on the BBC. If they have that and England, that would be a barnstorming weekend.
Yes, one semi-final is going to be slightly weaker, but I think Portugal vs Belgium would be a big game, Ronaldo vs a load of famous Premier League players. And if it's not them, then there'll be a big story anyway because a relative minnow (or two) will be in there.
I'm not miffed at all, I'm surprised it certainly not miffed.
I thought the BBC would go for the biggest potential audience, which I reckon is Ireland for reasons stated.
Edit: Just realised you were referring to the semi-finals. Sneaky! I'll leave it as is anyway....
I know that you like a bit of pedantry Steve, so I'll go ahead...
Portugal and Belgium are in different quarters of the draw. The BBC are looking at the possibility of Wales/NI-Belgium on the Friday night with France-England on the Sunday night.
That likely leaves ITV with the not so attractive Germany-Spain(!) and Switzerland/Poland-Croatia/Portugal on the Thursday and Saturday respectively.
Some may feel that the BBC missing out on a blockbuster like Germany-Spain despite having the first two picks is a disaster, but for me it would be well worth it for what they're getting instead. France-England speaks for itself, while whichever of Wales and Northern Ireland progresses is going to be looking at the biggest game in their history. You might even say that about the Last 16 tie.
And of course, this is all hypothetical given that the Last 16 is yet to play out!
Maybe she kicks her heals off when socialising and hob-nobbing
No I dont agree, they have had to seriously curtail their build up as it is, the extra time and penalties didnt really need much to be said