White men
Afghan
Azerbaijani
British
Eastern European
Greek
Gypsy/Traveller
Hungarian
Iranian
Iraqi
Irish
Kurdish
Lithuanian
Mediterranean/Hispanic
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Was there meant to be a text accompanying this list?
I can't believe that a thread discussing Pakistani grooming gangs and the reasons why they have been allowed to get away with it for so long has been so thoroughly turned around to it being white men that are the perpetrators.
Are you only selecting anything from this thread which you can attempt to turn into this distortion of the truth? I'm not falling for whatever this is about.
I can't believe that a thread discussing Pakistani grooming gangs and the reasons why they have been allowed to get away with it for so long has been so thoroughly turned around to it being white men that are the perpetrators.
Has it? Or have a few posters like myself merely been challenging the view that grooming is a problem only in the Pakistani community and that fear of racism is the main factor for the low levels of prosecution. I care about every child that is abused and want every perpetrator put behind bars... I recognise the problem in the Pakistani community, but I am concerned that concentrating on that one group could mean others continue to get away with it.
My point isn't that the Pakistani community is a small part of this problem.. it evidently, for the particular abuse model, is the second largest single defined community involved (British white perpetrators are the largest)
How can you rely on those statistics when the report highlighted the reluctance of identifying people responsible as "asian" for fear of racism and two thirds of the submitted reports contained no data about the perpetrators?
It even says not to draw conclusions from it because the picture is incomplete.
How can you rely on those statistics when the report highlighted the reluctance of identifying people responsible as "asian" for fear of racism and two thirds of the submitted reports contained no data about the perpetrators?
It even says not to draw conclusions from it because the picture is incomplete.
That's why I caveated my comments throughout my discussion of those statistics. Even if all of those two thirds were all Pakistani people then there is still a large chunk who are not, so my concern that we shouldn't concentrate solely on one group stands.
That's why I caveated my comments throughout my discussion of those statistics. Even if all of those two thirds were all Pakistani people then there is still a large chunk who are not, so my concern that we shouldn't concentrate solely on one group stands.
Yet, bearing in mind what a small proportion of the population Pakistanis are, 2/3 of grooming gang membership is astonishing and seriously worrying.. If they're 2% of the population! then even 1 in 20 would be statistically significant.
Yet, bearing in mind what a small proportion of the population Pakistanis are, 2/3 of grooming gang membership is astonishing and seriously worrying.. If they're 2% of the population! then even 1 in 20 would be statistically significant.
Indeed it is very worrying - but my point was about the proportion of the perpetrators regardless of each group's proportion of their own population. If we throw everything at the issue with the Pakistani community then we will be ignoring a significant group who are in other communities - as anne's quote from the report writer shows. That police officer said they were not looking elsewhere, and that is wrong. What is needed to be done may differ between these communities as well - whilst they may all share a complete disregard for their victims, the motivation for that and the solutions required may differ. For example in the Pakistani community there is a real need for more contact with women's groups and moving away from the model of just talking with imams and 'community leaders' - whereas in other communities it may be that the groups are linking up via the internet or based around a particular restaurant or business.
As I said on a different thread, one thing that does need to be done is mandatory reporting of abuse (of any kind) so that councils and police etc cannot hide reports for whatever reason,whether that is a fear of being called racist or anything else.
Indeed it is very worrying - but my point was about the proportion of the perpetrators regardless of each group's proportion of their own population. If we throw everything at the issue with the Pakistani community then we will be ignoring a significant group who are in other communities - as anne's quote from the report writer shows. That police officer said they were not looking elsewhere, and that is wrong. What is needed to be done may differ between these communities as well - whilst they may all share a complete disregard for their victims, the motivation for that and the solutions required may differ. For example in the Pakistani community there is a real need for more contact with women's groups and moving away from the model of just talking with imams and 'community leaders' - whereas in other communities it may be that the groups are linking up via the internet or based around a particular restaurant or business.
As I said on a different thread, one thing that does need to be done is mandatory reporting of abuse (of any kind) so that councils and police etc cannot hide reports for whatever reason,whether that is a fear of being called racist or anything else.
Can't argue with that. And making reporting of abuse allegations mandatory would take away any concerns about racism. It's the rules, innit. Councils love a bit of that.
For example in the Pakistani community there is a real need for more contact with women's groups and moving away from the model of just talking with imams and 'community leaders' -
How about more contact directly with people as well as providing support and advice and leaflets which groups can access. Yo can engage with people directly via schools, doctors, hospitals, youth centres etc.
Why the assumption that middle man is needed to deal with ethnic minorities? When the issue of abuse within Catholic institutions was raised who suggested getting priests to tell Catholics that it was wrong it should be reported. The message was given directly to Catholics (that they should report to the authorities rather than keeping things in the church), the police to take it seriously and the church also asked to revise its policy with the threat if or else where they bear a duty of care. Such a coordinated strategy is needed here.
Has it? Or have a few posters like myself merely been challenging the view that grooming is a problem only in the Pakistani community and that fear of racism is the main factor for the low levels of prosecution. I care about every child that is abused and want every perpetrator put behind bars... I recognise the problem in the Pakistani community, but I am concerned that concentrating on that one group could mean others continue to get away with it.
I don't think anybody is claiming that* however the differnce is that these Pakistani groomers are operating in organised gangs and almost exclusively target vulnerable girls - you know that and so does everybody else here who is trying to sway the argument by using popualtion statistics etc to try and hide the serious situation we have within the Pakistani community.
If you have concerns that other groups may be operating the same then surely you should do something like convey them to the authorities, using them to take the focus of this lot isn't going to help one bit.
*Yeah go on, you might find the odd one so save yourself the bother of quoting.
How about more contact directly with people as well as providing support and advice and leaflets which groups can access. Yo can engage with people directly via schools, doctors, hospitals, youth centres etc.
Why the assumption that middle man is needed to deal with ethnic minorities? When the issue of abuse within Catholic institutions was raised who suggested getting priests to tell Catholics that it was wrong it should be reported. The message was given directly to Catholics (that they should report to the authorities rather than keeping things in the church), the police to take it seriously and the church also asked to revise its policy with the threat if or else where they bear a duty of care. Such a coordinated strategy is needed here.
Agreed - and according to reports some of this is already being done - but there is still far too heavy reliance on 'community leaders' in this and other communities.. even when there are groups who are working on abuse or domestic violence, they have been kept out of the loop. Plus as you say, leaflets in doctor's surgeries or schools etc... if reporting was mandatory and the authorities had to do something then it might make it easer for people with information to believe they would be listened to.
I don't think anybody is claiming that* however the differnce is that these Pakistani groomers are operating in organised gangs and almost exclusively target vulnerable girls - you know that and so does everybody else here who is trying to sway the argument by using popualtion statistics etc to try and hide the serious situation we have within the Pakistani community.
If you have concerns that other groups may be operating the same then surely you should do something like convey them to the authorities, using them to take the focus of this lot isn't going to help one bit.
*Yeah go on, you might find the odd one so save yourself the bother of quoting.
You are missing the point - no-one is trying to take away from the problem in Pakistani communities at all - but as anne's quote above emphasised there is a real risk people will think that is the only place where men are forming organised grooming gangs (indeed her quote showed it is already happening). Stating this in no way implies that there isn't a serious problem with Pakistani gangs or suggests that anyone should take away resources from dealing with them.
You are missing the point - no-one is trying to take away from the problem in Pakistani communities at all - but as anne's quote above emphasised there is a real risk people will think that is the only place where men are forming organised grooming gangs (indeed her quote showed it is already happening). Stating this in no way implies that there isn't a serious problem with Pakistani gangs or suggests that anyone should take away resources from dealing with them.
There's no 'real risk' of people thinking that unless they are halfwits because pedo rings can and do get bust due to close monitoring of the internet etc so any chance of gangs forming would soon be discoverd and identified.
We have a problem with gangs of Eastern Europeans who are sex trafficking young girls but note the difference is that they are investgated, monitored and also identified by group unlike the case has been with the Pakistani gangs.
There's no 'real risk' of people thinking that unless they are halfwits because pedo rings can and do get bust due to close monitoring of the internet etc so any chance of gangs forming would soon be discoverd and identified.
We have a problem with gangs of Eastern Europeans who are sex trafficking young girls but note the difference is that they are investgated, monitored and also identified by group unlike the case has been with the Pakistani gangs.
So back to thread topic, why is that?
Well that police officer in anne's post is evidently a halfwit then - and I am afraid that similar halfwittery was a factor in the problems in Rotherham. And as the reports I have posted show the number of reported cases by non Pakistani grooming gangs are far greater than the few people prosecuted (true also of the Pakistani gangs) then it is evident there is a problem with arresting them too... maybe not the same issues, but issues nevertheless.
I have discussed the thread topic in earlier posts. Feel free to look back at them.
Well that police officer in anne's post is evidently a halfwit then - and I am afraid that similar halfwittery was a factor in the problems in Rotherham. And as the reports I have posted show the number of reported cases by non Pakistani grooming gangs are far greater than the few people prosecuted (true also of the Pakistani gangs) then it is evident there is a problem with arresting them too... maybe not the same issues, but issues nevertheless.
I have discussed the thread topic in earlier posts. Feel free to look back at them.
I've read one of the reports and what is being done there is to equate on street grooming by individuals with gangs which is not the same and wrong to do because individually the figure for white would naturally be higher due to pop share..
How many white groomers working in gangs with the same MO as the Pakistani ones have you details of?
'Equally, however, the question of race must not be allowed to dominate. On-street grooming is not the sole preserve of Asian men, despite the impression created by the three most high-profile cases so far. Indeed, the most detailed research on the phenomenon so far found that, in 43 per cent of cases, the abusers were white.
The central issue here is not the cultural background of the abusers. The central issue is that the grooming gangs can no longer be considered a freak occurrence'
Very clever wording by the guys at The Independant but I didn't fall for it.
I can't quote posts on here at the moment. This is for exlordlucan. This was the earlier link
Berelowitz is the author of a detailed report into child sexual exploitation in gangs and groups last year following a series of high-profile cases in towns such as Rochdale and Oxford as well as Rotherham.
On a recent field visit to a police force, Berelowitz was surprised to learn that the officers' top search on their internal computer profiling system was "Asian male". When she asked what would happen if the perpetrators were not Asian, the officer in charge replied that the force was "not looking for those". "I was astonished. I said: 'I think you better start looking.'"
HOPE Not Hate was vocal in its criticism of how local authorities were dealing with on-street grooming from as far back as 2005, when we joined forces with Angela Sinfield, a mother of one girl who had been abused, and the then Keighley MP Ann Cryer. We stressed the need to push aside any racial or religious sensitivities when child protection is at stake and we supported changes to the law, which were being championed by Ann. More recently, last year, we came together with a number of other organisations and individuals to call for greater awareness about the threat of on-street grooming by gangs and encouraging communities to stop perpetrators.
"While the perpetrators of on-street grooming obviously have a low opinion of the white girls they abuse, they have a similarly poor opinion of all females. Grooming has more to do with misogyny rather than specifically religion/race."
The article also quoted Sara Khan, from the women's human rights group, Inspire. "As a Bradford-born and raised Muslim woman from the Kashmiri/Mirpuri community, I understand the cultural complexities. Let's be clear: it's not just white women that are viewed as inferior - many from these Pakistani rural villages believe all women are second class citizens. The culture of conservative Kashmiri/Mirpuri community has at its root a deep-seated misogyny with the aim of controlling every aspect of a woman's life and reducing her into subservience."
I attacked the BNP and EDL for having us believe that grooming was a consequence of Islam as a religion as the facts simply do not back this up.
The vast majority of perpetrators are from one specific community, rather than spread across all Muslim communities, so it is here we have to address the problem.
It's endemic," said Ray McMorrow, a health specialist at the National Working Group, a charity set up in Derby in the wake of the first prosecutions into child sexual exploitation. "Rotherham is just one of the places that it's been identified."
McMorrow acknowledged that in Rotherham, as well as other cases such as Derby, Rochdale, Telford and in Oxford, perpetrators have been mainly Asian, but said other cases were emerging with white perpetrators. Analysis of the 2012 report by the deputy children's commissioner said that 33% of child sex abuse by gangs in Britain was committed by Asians, where Asians are 7% of the population, but similarly concluded that it was "irresponsible" to dwell on ethnicity.
But he pointed to Operation Kern in Derby which saw the conviction of white abusers but received no national media coverage. White men were also found guilty in Torbay and a recent case in Peterborough involved men of Czech and Slovak Roma and Kurdish backgrounds.
"If we are only looking at one type of network involving only certain types of men and boys, then we are missing victims," he said.
And another harrowing report on the abuse of UK ethnic minorites.
Crimes against children have risen up the British political agenda in recent years and a major two-year inquiry into Child Sexual Exploitation in Gangs and Groups was launched by the government in 2011 and is due to report in November.
Its interim report found that 2,409 children and young people were confirmed victims of child sexual exploitation in gangs or groups between August 2010 and October 2011. The inquiry said that between April 2010 and March 2011 16,500 children in England were at high risk.
The report examines organised sexual exploitation by gangs and groups in the UK’s Asian and Muslim, Hindu and Sikh communities - Pakistani, Indian, Bangladeshi, Somali and Afghani - but also notes the involvement of white offenders.
Some of the victims include Imaan, abused from a young age by her father and then her Quran teacher; Aisha, sexually abused at six then later groomed for sex through the internet; Safa, raped by an uncle at the age of 14 then handed around his friends; Nazia, hooked on heroin by her boyfriend then prostituted by him; Hasina, who was was 10 when she was sexually abused by an older boy then lured into having sex with a network of youths; Parveen, who was 12 when her stepfather’s brother and his friend blackmailed her into having sex with them and their friends.
The report highlights occasional complicity among other women who turn a blind eye to this crime for fear of bringing shame and dishonour on the family.
Gohir said: “What was really astonishing was the number of people coming forward and telling us case studies of sexual abuse within the family - something that we were not looking at.
It is an absurd stance. It's like a sci-fi plot where scientists create a virus or a genetically created monster, and it breaks free, mushrooms exponentially and they can no longer contain it, so all holy hell breaks loose. That is what has happened. This cultivated environment of beating down racism aggressively has spawned a kind of hair-trigger, hysterical, reactionary monster when there is the slightest hint of racism, and it can mushroom uncontrollably into an huge mess. Driven by the media, and to a large extent, the rabid public who get on board with this stuff. It's no wonder the authorities daren't go near it, and it gets out of hand.
What is needed is somebody with the courage to stand up and say "This is what we have discovered. And we will absolutely entertain no accusations of racism regarding it, so you're wasting your time"
Indeed, and that is what will now happen, I believe.
Although certain parties will still try and deflect from the main problem.
I guarantee, by the way, that when the next white paedophile ring emerges, and a thread is put on here, we won't see "But Pakistanis do it too. It's not exclusively a white problem perpetrated by people of English heritage"
I've read one of the reports and what is being done there is to equate on street grooming by individuals with gangs which is not the same and wrong to do because individually the figure for white would naturally be higher due to pop share..
How many white groomers working in gangs with the same MO as the Pakistani ones have you details of?
'Equally, however, the question of race must not be allowed to dominate. On-street grooming is not the sole preserve of Asian men, despite the impression created by the three most high-profile cases so far. Indeed, the most detailed research on the phenomenon so far found that, in 43 per cent of cases, the abusers were white.
The central issue here is not the cultural background of the abusers. The central issue is that the grooming gangs can no longer be considered a freak occurrence'
Very clever wording by the guys at The Independant but I didn't fall for it.
Try reading the report I posted earlier - it is clear that group abuse (different to gang abuse) is also being perpetrated by white men and non-Pakistanis. There is a graph to help demonstrate this. I also gave the figures in one of my posts.
I am not saying that there are not Pakistani groups, nor am I saying that this is not a serious issue, so I am wondering why you feel it is a problem for me to point out that there are other people from other ethnic groups involved. I have clearly stated why I pointed it out (my concern that these groups would not be addressed because of the focus on Pakistani gangs, a concern shared by the people who wrote reports on CSE for the government).
This thread started because of the part of the Rotherham report where some officers said they were afraid to raise the issues in case they were accused of racism... it is one of the factors that led to years of abuse going unresolved. All I am doing is trying to highlight a risk that we could do the same thing by concentrating on the Pakistani-groups and not all the men involved. Is there something wrong with that?
Indeed, and that is what will now happen, I believe.
Although certain parties will still try and deflect from the main problem.
I guarantee, by the way, that when the next white paedophile ring emerges, and a thread is put on here, we won't see "But Pakistanis do it too. It's not exclusively a white problem perpetrated by people of English heritage"
I will bet you a billion pounds that a dozen posters will leap onto the thread to point out that Pakistani people do it too - seriously blueblade... it will be the first reply to a thread like that.
Shaun Wright is also being challenged with some home truths
Don't they normally keep those sorts of sweeps quiet until afterwards? I hope the perpetrators don't disappear.
As for Shaun Wright - the Rotherham report clearly shows that there was plenty of documentation and discussion... he either is lying about knowing or wasn't doing his job if he wasn't reading reports of his department. He should certainly not be a PCC and it would be nice if they can find something to charge him with as it appears to be the only way to get rid of him.
I will bet you a billion pounds that a dozen posters will leap onto the thread to point out that Pakistani people do it too - seriously blueblade... it will be the first reply to a thread like that.
What you might get is posters coming on saying "Look, it isn't just Pakistanis that do it" - it might happen that way round.
Try reading the report I posted earlier - it is clear that group abuse (different to gang abuse) is also being perpetrated by white men and non-Pakistanis. There is a graph to help demonstrate this. I also gave the figures in one of my posts.
I am not saying that there are not Pakistani groups, nor am I saying that this is not a serious issue, so I am wondering why you feel it is a problem for me to point out that there are other people from other ethnic groups involved. I have clearly stated why I pointed it out (my concern that these groups would not be addressed because of the focus on Pakistani gangs, a concern shared by the people who wrote reports on CSE for the government).
This thread started because of the part of the Rotherham report where some officers said they were afraid to raise the issues in case they were accused of racism... it is one of the factors that led to years of abuse going unresolved. All I am doing is trying to highlight a risk that we could do the same thing by concentrating on the Pakistani-groups and not all the men involved. Is there something wrong with that?
Do you imagine that people are unaware of that ?
We all know there are paedophile rings consisting of mainly white middle aged and elderly men, exchanging images on their computers, and worse. But it doesn't negate what is going on in many Northern cities by mainly Pakistani sex abuse gangs.
That is currently the point at issue. Why do you feel the need to constantly deflect from the topic, as though posters don't know about white paedophiles ?
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Was there meant to be a text accompanying this list?
Are you only selecting anything from this thread which you can attempt to turn into this distortion of the truth? I'm not falling for whatever this is about.
Has it? Or have a few posters like myself merely been challenging the view that grooming is a problem only in the Pakistani community and that fear of racism is the main factor for the low levels of prosecution. I care about every child that is abused and want every perpetrator put behind bars... I recognise the problem in the Pakistani community, but I am concerned that concentrating on that one group could mean others continue to get away with it.
How can you rely on those statistics when the report highlighted the reluctance of identifying people responsible as "asian" for fear of racism and two thirds of the submitted reports contained no data about the perpetrators?
It even says not to draw conclusions from it because the picture is incomplete.
Sorry, I thought you had read the report you linked to.
That's why I caveated my comments throughout my discussion of those statistics. Even if all of those two thirds were all Pakistani people then there is still a large chunk who are not, so my concern that we shouldn't concentrate solely on one group stands.
I have, but I wasn't sure what the relevance of the list was, given I had already said there were a large number of other ethnic groups involved.
Yet, bearing in mind what a small proportion of the population Pakistanis are, 2/3 of grooming gang membership is astonishing and seriously worrying.. If they're 2% of the population! then even 1 in 20 would be statistically significant.
Indeed it is very worrying - but my point was about the proportion of the perpetrators regardless of each group's proportion of their own population. If we throw everything at the issue with the Pakistani community then we will be ignoring a significant group who are in other communities - as anne's quote from the report writer shows. That police officer said they were not looking elsewhere, and that is wrong. What is needed to be done may differ between these communities as well - whilst they may all share a complete disregard for their victims, the motivation for that and the solutions required may differ. For example in the Pakistani community there is a real need for more contact with women's groups and moving away from the model of just talking with imams and 'community leaders' - whereas in other communities it may be that the groups are linking up via the internet or based around a particular restaurant or business.
As I said on a different thread, one thing that does need to be done is mandatory reporting of abuse (of any kind) so that councils and police etc cannot hide reports for whatever reason,whether that is a fear of being called racist or anything else.
Can't argue with that. And making reporting of abuse allegations mandatory would take away any concerns about racism. It's the rules, innit. Councils love a bit of that.
How about more contact directly with people as well as providing support and advice and leaflets which groups can access. Yo can engage with people directly via schools, doctors, hospitals, youth centres etc.
Why the assumption that middle man is needed to deal with ethnic minorities? When the issue of abuse within Catholic institutions was raised who suggested getting priests to tell Catholics that it was wrong it should be reported. The message was given directly to Catholics (that they should report to the authorities rather than keeping things in the church), the police to take it seriously and the church also asked to revise its policy with the threat if or else where they bear a duty of care. Such a coordinated strategy is needed here.
I don't think anybody is claiming that* however the differnce is that these Pakistani groomers are operating in organised gangs and almost exclusively target vulnerable girls - you know that and so does everybody else here who is trying to sway the argument by using popualtion statistics etc to try and hide the serious situation we have within the Pakistani community.
If you have concerns that other groups may be operating the same then surely you should do something like convey them to the authorities, using them to take the focus of this lot isn't going to help one bit.
*Yeah go on, you might find the odd one so save yourself the bother of quoting.
Agreed - and according to reports some of this is already being done - but there is still far too heavy reliance on 'community leaders' in this and other communities.. even when there are groups who are working on abuse or domestic violence, they have been kept out of the loop. Plus as you say, leaflets in doctor's surgeries or schools etc... if reporting was mandatory and the authorities had to do something then it might make it easer for people with information to believe they would be listened to.
You are missing the point - no-one is trying to take away from the problem in Pakistani communities at all - but as anne's quote above emphasised there is a real risk people will think that is the only place where men are forming organised grooming gangs (indeed her quote showed it is already happening). Stating this in no way implies that there isn't a serious problem with Pakistani gangs or suggests that anyone should take away resources from dealing with them.
There's no 'real risk' of people thinking that unless they are halfwits because pedo rings can and do get bust due to close monitoring of the internet etc so any chance of gangs forming would soon be discoverd and identified.
We have a problem with gangs of Eastern Europeans who are sex trafficking young girls but note the difference is that they are investgated, monitored and also identified by group unlike the case has been with the Pakistani gangs.
So back to thread topic, why is that?
Well that police officer in anne's post is evidently a halfwit then - and I am afraid that similar halfwittery was a factor in the problems in Rotherham. And as the reports I have posted show the number of reported cases by non Pakistani grooming gangs are far greater than the few people prosecuted (true also of the Pakistani gangs) then it is evident there is a problem with arresting them too... maybe not the same issues, but issues nevertheless.
I have discussed the thread topic in earlier posts. Feel free to look back at them.
I've read one of the reports and what is being done there is to equate on street grooming by individuals with gangs which is not the same and wrong to do because individually the figure for white would naturally be higher due to pop share..
How many white groomers working in gangs with the same MO as the Pakistani ones have you details of?
'Equally, however, the question of race must not be allowed to dominate. On-street grooming is not the sole preserve of Asian men, despite the impression created by the three most high-profile cases so far. Indeed, the most detailed research on the phenomenon so far found that, in 43 per cent of cases, the abusers were white.
The central issue here is not the cultural background of the abusers. The central issue is that the grooming gangs can no longer be considered a freak occurrence'
Very clever wording by the guys at The Independant but I didn't fall for it.
I can't quote posts on here at the moment. This is for exlordlucan. This was the earlier link
I also found this.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/nick-lowles/shining-a-light-on-child-sexual-abuse_b_5722214.html?utm_hp_ref=uk
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/aug/27/rotherham-child-sex-abuse-tip-iceberg
And another harrowing report on the abuse of UK ethnic minorites.
http://m.aljazeera.com/story/2013926154815405654
Anyone is fair game.
Indeed, and that is what will now happen, I believe.
Although certain parties will still try and deflect from the main problem.
I guarantee, by the way, that when the next white paedophile ring emerges, and a thread is put on here, we won't see "But Pakistanis do it too. It's not exclusively a white problem perpetrated by people of English heritage"
Try reading the report I posted earlier - it is clear that group abuse (different to gang abuse) is also being perpetrated by white men and non-Pakistanis. There is a graph to help demonstrate this. I also gave the figures in one of my posts.
I am not saying that there are not Pakistani groups, nor am I saying that this is not a serious issue, so I am wondering why you feel it is a problem for me to point out that there are other people from other ethnic groups involved. I have clearly stated why I pointed it out (my concern that these groups would not be addressed because of the focus on Pakistani gangs, a concern shared by the people who wrote reports on CSE for the government).
This thread started because of the part of the Rotherham report where some officers said they were afraid to raise the issues in case they were accused of racism... it is one of the factors that led to years of abuse going unresolved. All I am doing is trying to highlight a risk that we could do the same thing by concentrating on the Pakistani-groups and not all the men involved. Is there something wrong with that?
I will bet you a billion pounds that a dozen posters will leap onto the thread to point out that Pakistani people do it too - seriously blueblade... it will be the first reply to a thread like that.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2738773/Police-plan-mass-raids-sex-gangs-Day-reckoning-hundreds-child-abusers-180-mainly-Asian-men-targeted-Manchester-alone.html
Shaun Wright is also being challenged with some home truths
Don't they normally keep those sorts of sweeps quiet until afterwards? I hope the perpetrators don't disappear.
As for Shaun Wright - the Rotherham report clearly shows that there was plenty of documentation and discussion... he either is lying about knowing or wasn't doing his job if he wasn't reading reports of his department. He should certainly not be a PCC and it would be nice if they can find something to charge him with as it appears to be the only way to get rid of him.
What you might get is posters coming on saying "Look, it isn't just Pakistanis that do it" - it might happen that way round.
Do you imagine that people are unaware of that ?
We all know there are paedophile rings consisting of mainly white middle aged and elderly men, exchanging images on their computers, and worse. But it doesn't negate what is going on in many Northern cities by mainly Pakistani sex abuse gangs.
That is currently the point at issue. Why do you feel the need to constantly deflect from the topic, as though posters don't know about white paedophiles ?
I think it's a reasonable question.