OMG. Who would have guessed it? Another nutter in UKIP :eek:
This bit was truly shocking as well:
"...gay marriage is a step way too far. It is an aberration. Messrs Cameron, Clegg and Milliband are aberrant to support it and traitorous to our nation to legislate for it."
How do people like this get selected?
Don't agree with the abortion quote but the same-sex one above is perfectly true.
At the end of the day he's entitled to his opinion but remember this is just ONE person. This is not the whole party's view on it. So before all the lefties start getting hysterical over this just remember there are MPs from ALL parties that have got certain views on things which they know 99% of the public disagree with.
True. Plus it's a shame only 'lefties' disagree with this. I 'd have hoped most people would.
They appear to have joined the USA free market propagandasts in claiming to be libertarian, but are not libertarian in the traditional European sense.
Noam Chomsky.
'Libertarian' throughout European history meant 'socialist-anarchist.' The worker's movement--the socialist movement--sort of broke into 2 branches, one statist, one anti-statist. The statist branch led to Bolshevism and Lenin and Trotsky and so on; the anti-statist branch, which included left-Marxists like Rosa Luxumberg, kind of merged with a big strain of anarchism into what was called 'libertarian socialism.' So 'libertarian' in Europe always meant 'socialist.'
Quite.
Far Right "libertarianism" is essentially a post-war American invention, and has about as much realtionship to true, traditional libertarianism (i.e. anarchism) as National Socialism has to Socialism.
True. Plus it's a shame only 'lefties' disagree with this. I 'd have hoped most people would.
What do you mean 'only lefties disagree with this'.
Politically I've always been more right wing but I don't agree with his view. I very much doubt Nigel Farage agrees with his view either.
What do you mean 'only lefties disagree with this'.
Politically I've always been more right wing but I don't agree with his view. I very much doubt Nigel Farage agrees with his view either.
But it's you that's on about only 'lefties' being upset at it. I don't see you mention anyone else in your post.
At the end of the day he's entitled to his opinion but remember this is just ONE person. This is not the whole party's view on it. So before all the lefties start getting hysterical over this just remember there are MPs from ALL parties that have got certain views on things which they know 99% of the public disagree with.
OMG. Who would have guessed it? Another nutter in UKIP :eek:
This bit was truly shocking as well:
"...gay marriage is a step way too far. It is an aberration. Messrs Cameron, Clegg and Milliband are aberrant to support it and traitorous to our nation to legislate for it."
How do people like this get selected?
Maybe they post extreme views on bulletin boards and the Sir Bufton Tuftons on the selection committee say "I say, this chap is boogieing on down with the young 'uns"
Liberty is small government and people deciding issues by referenda.The left wing love top down control over the masses.
If there was a referendum for every single policy there would be nothing would get done, indeed it was one of the reasons for the downfall of the wiermar republic in Germany.
I see nothing in the wiki article about libertarianism requiring a referendum on every policy
But it's you that's on about only 'lefties' being upset at it. I don't see you mention anyone else in your post.
I didn't say "only lefties are upset about it" or even imply that only lefties disagree with it.
What I meant was that UKIP are more of a right wing party so this is just an excuse for the left to have a go at UKIP. That is why I also said that there are MPs from ALL parties who have views on things which they know a majority of the public don't agree with, not just UKIP. For eg. Nick Cleggs view on Europe (but that's for a different thread).
Unfortunately for non UKIP fans what this person said will not make a SINGLE person have second thoughts about not voting for UKIP because they know it's ridiculous and will NEVER in a million years become law or whatever.
The good news is that UKIP are now the third main party in British politics which means that out of the top 3 parties, TWO are more right wing leaning.
The reason why two out of the top 3 are more right wing isn't down to the parties, it's down to the public who vote for them which suggests to me that the public are beginning to sway to the right.
I do love people. I don't like seeing people needlessly suffer.
If an animal is seriously wounded or ill then it's put down.
I believe the same principle should be there for humans. Euthanasia should be legal and I support abortions (even post birth) for severely mentally or physically handicapped babies.
Can we extend this so that it applies to those on the Right Wing and the Far Right? clearly there's no benefit to society of having children growing up with Right Wing views. Infact many would see such conservative views as being mentally debilitating.
Clearly you're not capable of having a mature discussion about a serious topic such as this.
I do love people. I don't like seeing people needlessly suffer.
If an animal is seriously wounded or ill then it's put down.
I believe the same principle should be there for humans. Euthanasia should be legal and I support abortions (even post birth) for severely mentally or physically handicapped babies.
Clearly you're not capable of having a mature discussion about a serious topic such as this.
I agree with extending abortion to people who hold your views.
Anyway why on earth do you think someone with severe disabilities is suffering? There are many able adults with chronic pain. They suffer every waking moment. Should we kill them?
The mark of a society is how it cares for it's vunerable members. Aborting or killing disabled children would not reflect well upon our society.
I agree with extending abortion to people who hold your views.
Anyway why on earth do you think someone with severe disabilities is suffering? There are many able adults with chronic pain. They suffer every waking moment. Should we kill them?
The mark of a society is how it cares for it's vunerable members. Aborting or killing disabled children would not reflect well upon our society.
Well I'm sure your motives are good and I assure you that mine are too! We just see things very differently!!
Can we extend this so that it applies to those on the Right Wing and the Far Right? clearly there's no benefit to society of having children growing up with Right Wing views. Infact many would see such conservative views as being mentally debilitating.
I think you'll find that this country would be a much better place if 'centre' was as far 'left' as you could go.
I would agree with you had we had any Left Wingers in positions of power in the last 30-odd years but we haven't. It's been dominated by Right Wing Thatcherite Capitalists who have effectively screwed up on a global scale.
If only "Centre" was as as far Right as we could go.
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Don't agree with the abortion quote but the same-sex one above is perfectly true.
why? how does gay marriage effect you?
Yes, as someone who understands what libertarianism is.
Unlike yourself.
True. Plus it's a shame only 'lefties' disagree with this. I 'd have hoped most people would.
Quite.
Far Right "libertarianism" is essentially a post-war American invention, and has about as much realtionship to true, traditional libertarianism (i.e. anarchism) as National Socialism has to Socialism.
Politically I've always been more right wing but I don't agree with his view. I very much doubt Nigel Farage agrees with his view either.
Maybe they post extreme views on bulletin boards and the Sir Bufton Tuftons on the selection committee say "I say, this chap is boogieing on down with the young 'uns"
If there was a referendum for every single policy there would be nothing would get done, indeed it was one of the reasons for the downfall of the wiermar republic in Germany.
I see nothing in the wiki article about libertarianism requiring a referendum on every policy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism
What I meant was that UKIP are more of a right wing party so this is just an excuse for the left to have a go at UKIP. That is why I also said that there are MPs from ALL parties who have views on things which they know a majority of the public don't agree with, not just UKIP. For eg. Nick Cleggs view on Europe (but that's for a different thread).
Unfortunately for non UKIP fans what this person said will not make a SINGLE person have second thoughts about not voting for UKIP because they know it's ridiculous and will NEVER in a million years become law or whatever.
The good news is that UKIP are now the third main party in British politics which means that out of the top 3 parties, TWO are more right wing leaning.
The reason why two out of the top 3 are more right wing isn't down to the parties, it's down to the public who vote for them which suggests to me that the public are beginning to sway to the right.
I do love people. I don't like seeing people needlessly suffer.
If an animal is seriously wounded or ill then it's put down.
I believe the same principle should be there for humans. Euthanasia should be legal and I support abortions (even post birth) for severely mentally or physically handicapped babies.
Clearly you're not capable of having a mature discussion about a serious topic such as this.
I agree with extending abortion to people who hold your views.
Anyway why on earth do you think someone with severe disabilities is suffering? There are many able adults with chronic pain. They suffer every waking moment. Should we kill them?
The mark of a society is how it cares for it's vunerable members. Aborting or killing disabled children would not reflect well upon our society.
This from the very same poster who says:
At least you're not doing a Glen Hoddle by telling us they're disabled because of sins committed in a past life, yet.
How does that work then? Further left than Stalin I would have taken.
"Centre" meaning what, exactly?
Yet always seems to boil down to the same thing, big business led government.
He could not even be bothered to turn up for the count either.
I would agree with you had we had any Left Wingers in positions of power in the last 30-odd years but we haven't. It's been dominated by Right Wing Thatcherite Capitalists who have effectively screwed up on a global scale.
If only "Centre" was as as far Right as we could go.