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End of Snooker on the BBC

jaanfxjaanfx Posts: 264
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I have just heard that the BBC have decided in not showing the World Open (the first of four snooker tournaments in the Snooker calendar) from next year. Instead they will just show the UK Championship, Wembley Masters and World Championships. BBC Wales might also drop the Welsh Open.

Could this mean the BBC quitely begining to move away from Snooker? Colour TV was pioneered by Snooker coverage, just seems a shame that BBC are now losing interest in this game - just as it is being revitalised by new chairman Barry Hearn.

Now, Eurosport are doing a good job in getting the game known all over Europe by their coverage of all major tournaments but they do lack in the quality. Watching snooker on Eurosport is a pain. So could ITV start bidding for some tournaments for ITV 4?

I dont expect Sky to show any major tournaments as they are still sulking after the big fall out with the WPBSA a few years back. Sky could have really ignited this sport but seem to be less interested in that.
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    degsyhufcdegsyhufc Posts: 59,251
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    I think ITV4 would like to have more snooker or any live sport. I'm not sure about the thing between Sky and the WPBSA but Sky and Hearn/Matchroom have good links but so does Hearn and ITV4 these days.
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    CharnhamCharnham Posts: 61,397
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    unless the sport is on the protected sports list, im not sure the BBC are going to be bothered, that or unless the sports governing body gives them a Free to air discount.
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    bluesdiamondbluesdiamond Posts: 11,362
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    So the BBC is showing three of the biggest Snooker events played in them and dropping one.

    Guess with the BBC budget being reduced, some sports will lose coverage. However like Golf, it is a balance between money (Sky) and audience (BBC/ITV). However ITV seem to put most sport aside from England, Champions League and FA Cup on ITV 4 a station not known for the biggest audiences.
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    chrisfinchchrisfinch Posts: 5,737
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    jaanfx wrote: »
    I have just heard that the BBC have decided in not showing the World Open (the first of four snooker tournaments in the Snooker calendar) from next year. Instead they will just show the UK Championship, Wembley Masters and World Championships. BBC Wales might also drop the Welsh Open.

    Could this mean the BBC quitely begining to move away from Snooker? Colour TV was pioneered by Snooker coverage, just seems a shame that BBC are now losing interest in this game - just as it is being revitalised by new chairman Barry Hearn.

    Now, Eurosport are doing a good job in getting the game known all over Europe by their coverage of all major tournaments but they do lack in the quality. Watching snooker on Eurosport is a pain. So could ITV start bidding for some tournaments for ITV 4?

    I dont expect Sky to show any major tournaments as they are still sulking after the big fall out with the WPBSA a few years back. Sky could have really ignited this sport but seem to be less interested in that.

    Sky are showing a new tournament over a weekend early in the new year-something tells me it is a one-frame shootout.

    And Barry Hearn runs snooker now-it is hard to imagine any promoter/single person having a better relationship with sky Sports over the last 20 years than him, so I don't see that being a stumbling block any more.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 2,193
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    jaanfx wrote: »
    I have just heard that the BBC have decided in not showing the World Open (the first of four snooker tournaments in the Snooker calendar) from next year. Instead they will just show the UK Championship, Wembley Masters and World Championships. BBC Wales might also drop the Welsh Open.

    Thanks for the post. Do you have a link or more info?
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    BenFranklinBenFranklin Posts: 5,814
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    Guess with the BBC budget being reduced, some sports will lose coverage.

    snooker is a cheap sport to show though so thats not really an issue
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 2,193
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    Charnham wrote: »
    unless the sport is on the protected sports list, im not sure the BBC are going to be bothered, that or unless the sports governing body gives them a Free to air discount.

    Well not a Sports fan, but have to work on these shows.

    Indoor Bowls is a regular, November and January on BBC. My memory fails, but about 10 years ago, they changed format and rules for TV. Now they have a format that guarantees a match cant go on for hours. So they have changed to keep the TV coverage manageable, and it works.

    Snooker had the great Taylor Final in the late 70s that went on for hours. But that was then. This is now. Snooker has lost a lot of appeal. It needs to do what Bowls has done, and make it a bit more 20:20 ie quicker results like the Cricket.

    This was attempted at the World Cup (or whatever it was called) in Glasgow last Sept. A 5 frame knockout competition. Billed as the snooker 'FA Cup'. A 'quickfire' competition. Yeah right.

    Was it faster for TV? No.

    The sessions were longer than Sheffield. The problem I think was that a player, knowing he could be knocked out quicker, took even more time over his shots. It's not bowls, where 4 bowls are your only option. Every session at Glasgow was min 2 hours.

    I think snooker need to make more changes to keep it as viable TV. Perhaps a time limit on taking a shot would be the first move?

    The 'riveting' safety play will ensure its return back to the snooker halls of its fans, and away from TV.

    Sorry Mr Ebdon :)

    And sorry to snooker fans - not an expert here - just an opinion having worked in TV and covered snooker for many years.

    :)
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    BenFranklinBenFranklin Posts: 5,814
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    Snooker still gets decent viewing figures, yes they have declined a bit but then in the age of multichannel tv nearly all sports have seen their viewing figures go down, people seem to enjoy finding faults in snooker for the sake of it.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 2,193
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    Snooker still gets decent viewing figures, yes they have declined a bit but then in the age of multichannel tv nearly all sports have seen their viewing figures go down, people seem to enjoy finding faults in snooker for the sake of it.

    Could you please qualify that with some viewing figures, and a link?

    Given your field of expertise seems to be F1, going on your posting history..
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 601
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    OB racks wrote: »
    Snooker had the great Taylor Final in the late 70s that went on for hours.

    Try 1985
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 2,193
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    MC57 wrote: »
    Try 1985

    ok wrong decade. Only 10 years adrift! :o
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 2,193
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    Snooker still gets decent viewing figures, yes they have declined a bit but then in the age of multichannel tv nearly all sports have seen their viewing figures go down, people seem to enjoy finding faults in snooker for the sake of it.

    And you seem to be finding faults in anything I post, for the sake of it.

    Are u a freelance I have bulleted, perchance?

    :D
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    BenFranklinBenFranklin Posts: 5,814
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    OB racks wrote: »
    Could you please qualify that with some viewing figures, and a link?

    http://snookerscene.blogspot.com/2009/01/some-2.html

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2005/oct/26/bbc.sport
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    Doghouse RileyDoghouse Riley Posts: 32,491
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    I think at one time snooker was very much over-exposed by the BBC, (who went a bit "Snooker Loopy" in my opinion) probably given the length of the transmissions it was not a particularly expensive sport top screen.

    It then seemed to disappear a bit.

    But since the money went out of the sport with the loss of cigarette advertising revenue it hasn't had the same "glamour" as in the days of "Embassy" and the like.

    I mean, who'll be this year's Pukka Pies champion?
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    BenFranklinBenFranklin Posts: 5,814
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    It then seemed to disappear a bit.

    behind the red button, which has been great for snooker coverage in one respect, but the bbc have not done a great job of giving it sufficient airtime and publicity on its main channels.
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    degsyhufcdegsyhufc Posts: 59,251
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    I think at one time snooker was very much over-exposed by the BBC, (who went a bit "Snooker Loopy" in my opinion) probably given the length of the transmissions it was not a particularly expensive sport top screen.

    It then seemed to disappear a bit.

    But since the money went out of the sport with the loss of cigarette advertising revenue it hasn't had the same "glamour" as in the days of "Embassy" and the like.

    I mean, who'll be this year's Pukka Pies champion?
    Stephen Lee is desperate to be it.
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    ariusukariusuk Posts: 13,411
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    However ITV seem to put most sport aside from England, Champions League and FA Cup on ITV 4 a station not known for the biggest audiences.

    Isn't it?
    ITV4 gets bigger audiences for sport than any dedicated sport channels.

    Europa League football? up to 2 million.
    Darts? Over 1 million.
    Cycling? 800,000
    Motorsport? 650,000

    ...but importantly, the first ever Power Snooker tournament got 400,000 viewers.
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    TassiumTassium Posts: 31,639
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    The "protected list" is a bit "national heritage" in that it fails to recognise the changing face of sport.

    The BBC will hang on to them but tastes change and BBC sport coverage will increasingly look dated and irelevant to most of the country.

    That's a bad thing if you want the BBC to survive.
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    CharnhamCharnham Posts: 61,397
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    I think at one time snooker was very much over-exposed by the BBC, (who went a bit "Snooker Loopy" in my opinion) probably given the length of the transmissions it was not a particularly expensive sport top screen.

    It then seemed to disappear a bit.

    But since the money went out of the sport with the loss of cigarette advertising revenue it hasn't had the same "glamour" as in the days of "Embassy" and the like.

    I mean, who'll be this year's Pukka Pies champion?
    for what its worth I enjoyed Big Break, but generally the real snooker, was something that was on instead of something I wanted to watch, which annonyed me.
    Tassium wrote: »
    The BBC will hang on to them but tastes change and BBC sport coverage will increasingly look dated and irelevant to most of the country.

    That's a bad thing if you want the BBC to survive.
    yes sports is why I would fail at the BBC, I would get it totally wrong, and loose viewers because of it.

    As ariusuk said Power Snooker had a decent start, that might build up well on ITV 4 in the next few years.
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    Andy RimmerAndy Rimmer Posts: 2,002
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    jaanfx wrote: »

    I dont expect Sky to show any major tournaments as they are still sulking after the big fall out with the WPBSA a few years back. Sky could have really ignited this sport but seem to be less interested in that.

    Well you say that but I noticed in Sky's listings they are dedicating about 17 hours of Live Coverage to something called "World Snooker - Shoot Out" on Sky Sports 2 on the weekend of 28th/29th/30th January.
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    BenFranklinBenFranklin Posts: 5,814
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    that is basically a modern version of pot black, all matches are one frame shootouts and there is a shot clock as well.

    snooker just doesn't work that well in such a short format, i'd rather watch pool to be honest
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    CharnhamCharnham Posts: 61,397
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    snooker just doesn't work that well in such a short format, i'd rather watch pool to be honest
    theres a point, in my experince must pubs have a pool table, not a snooker table.

    ok so there are the snooker clubs, but they play pool as well.
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    mlt11mlt11 Posts: 21,098
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    Comment on Snooker Scene blog suggests World Open will be held in China next season so no surprise it won't be on BBC any more.

    See link (4th article down which lists 2011/12 schedule and need to open comments):

    http://www.snookerscene.blogspot.com/
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,359
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    So the BBC is showing three of the biggest Snooker events played in them and dropping one.

    Guess with the BBC budget being reduced, some sports will lose coverage. However like Golf, it is a balance between money (Sky) and audience (BBC/ITV). However ITV seem to put most sport aside from England, Champions League and FA Cup on ITV 4 a station not known for the biggest audiences.

    The BBC budget reduction will play some part across the schedule.

    The ITV4 comment is a little unjustified imo.
    ariusuk wrote: »
    Isn't it?
    ITV4 gets bigger audiences for sport than any dedicated sport channels.

    Europa League football? up to 2 million.
    Darts? Over 1 million.
    Cycling? 800,000
    Motorsport? 650,000

    ...but importantly, the first ever Power Snooker tournament got 400,000 viewers.

    Exactly.

    Another thing is in the next 18-24 months every region in the UK will be post DSO. That will mean there'll be millions more households capable of viewing ITV4. There's still a lot of households in several regions that are still on just terrestrial analogue or cannot receive the current low power Freeview service. From what I can tell if they decide to view online they are not in the BARB figures either.

    The current Freeview channel figures will rise substantially imo in the next 2 years - this obviously includes ITV4.
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    LinusJLinusJ Posts: 438
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    I used to love watching snooker on the telly, but ever since the spectre of spot-fixing/betting/whatever it's called, it's killed my enjoyment of the game.
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