I noticed that Salmond said the Scottish people had decided not to choose independence "at this stage." Sounds like he's already planning the next vote.
Salmond and the vocal minority had their chance. While the rest of Scotland will be waking up and waving their Union Jacks over a nice cup of tea, the traitorous nationalist alliances would do well to reflect on the result and their low behavioural standards during the campaign.
Salmond and the vocal minority had their chance. While the rest of Scotland will be waking up and waving their Union Jacks over a nice cup of tea, the traitorous nationalist alliances would do well to reflect on the result and their low behavioural standards during the campaign.
Salmond has lost his chance to be El Presidente. By the time the next opportunity for independence comes the world will have changed - as will the value of Scottish oil
I thought the logic behind not having a second question on the ballot was to prevent Salmond using it as a stepping stone and push for another referendum should he lose.
I can't see how he can push for another one. Had it been the other way around he wouldn't be offering the unionists a second stab at it so it's time to put up and shut up.
Methinks he'll be quietly planning his retirement from politics now. He has previously hinted that, what with his 60th birthday looming ever closer, he wasn't going to be around for "years" to come regardless of the result. I reckon he'll be gone by the time of the next Scottish elections - if not sooner.
I noticed that Salmond said the Scottish people had decided not to choose independence "at this stage." Sounds like he's already planning the next vote.
That was always going to be the case with such a narrow loss - Salmon thinks that with just a little push he could swing it - so I he will not go quietly into the night.
Methinks he'll be quietly planning his retirement from politics now. He has previously hinted that, what with his 60th birthday looming ever closer, he wasn't going to be around for "years" to come regardless of the result. I reckon he'll be gone by the time of the next Scottish elections - if not sooner.
I suspect he'll be thinking of his own legacy once the dust has settled. He'll push to ensure new powers for Scotland then use that as his point to depart on a high. I really dislike him but even I will admit he's been very successful. Though he didn't deliver independence he has brought the SNP further than anyone ever thought they would. With his ultimate goal of independence gone I think he'll look for some other victory and step aside on a relative high.
That was always going to be the case with such a narrow loss - Salmon thinks that with just a little push he could swing it - so I he will not go quietly into the night.
Hardly a narrow loss. 87.5% of the regions of Scotland voted no. That's pretty emphatic. It's only because of the relatively huge population of Glasgow that the No vote percentage was as 'high' as it was. The only way Salmond could swing it in a future vote is by extending the vote to prisoners and babies (but only in Glasgow).
I noticed that Salmond said the Scottish people had decided not to choose independence "at this stage." Sounds like he's already planning the next vote.
Of course, keep holding a referendum until you get the result you want.
That was always going to be the case with such a narrow loss - Salmon thinks that with just a little push he could swing it - so I he will not go quietly into the night.
Hardly a narrow loss. 87.5% of the regions of Scotland voted no. That's pretty emphatic. It's only because of the relatively huge population of Glasgow that the No vote percentage was as 'high' as it was. The only way Salmond could swing it in a future vote is by extending the vote to prisoners and babies (but only in Glasgow).
But the vote was not by an electoral college but simply by a majority of voters - and 45/55 is close enough.
Personally I have mixed feelings - Scotland remaining means that we will have Scottish votes propping up Labour (Labour polled less voters than the Conservatives in England) - but I really did not want to see Scotland go it's separate ways - not only that but I could not see if working economically meaning that we English would end up bailing out Scotland in decades to come.
Even if there was another 10% went to the ballot box in Dundee and Glasgow and all voted "yes" it still would not have been enough to turn it in Yes's favour.
The 10% gap is not the missing 10% in both Dundee and Glasgow compared with everywhere else. That's only 2 cities in Scotland albeit 2 of the largest cities. 10% extra yes votes in both Dundee and Glasgow does not add up to over 400,000 yes votes.
But the vote was not by an electoral college but simply by a majority of voters - and 45/55 is close enough.
For a result, sure, and ATEOTD, even a 50.1% win would still have been a win, but I'd hope that Salmond is looking at the results from the across the whole country before contemplating a push for another referendum in the near future, not fixating on or being misled by the 45% which, as I say, came largely from one city.
He has to say that really, if the SNP were to declare that they were giving up their independence they would lose their unique appeal and become part of the 'establishment' in the eyes of their supporters. Deep down they know that's it for at least twenty years.
For a result, sure, and ATEOTD, even a 50.1% win would still have been a win, but I'd hope that Salmond is looking at the results from the across the whole country before contemplating a push for another referendum in the near future, not fixating on or being misled by the Glasgow vote.
If Salmond seriously thinks 10% ( over 400,000) didn't turn up to vote yes at the ballot box in Dundee and Glasgow to match the percentages everywhere else he's pulling the wool over everybody's eyes.
If Salmond seriously thinks 10% ( over 400,000) didn't turn up to vote yes at the ballot box in Dundee and Glasgow to match the percentages everywhere else he's pulling the wool over everybody's eyes.
Yes, and of course that 10% of missing voters could very well have comprised a large number of No voters who felt too intimidated to cast their vote!
For a result, sure, and ATEOTD, even a 50.1% win would still have been a win, but I'd hope that Salmond is looking at the results from the across the whole country before contemplating a push for another referendum in the near future, not fixating on or being misled by the 45% which, as I say, came largely from one city.
Not wishing to be pedantic but 88% of the Yes vote was from outside Glasgow
Not wishing to be pedantic but 88% of the Yes vote was from outside Glasgow
Which means 12% came from just one council, whereas each of the other thirty-one contributed an average of just 2.84% of the total yes vote. Whichever way you look at it, the Glasgow vote makes up the bulk of the 45% that voted yes.
Which means 12% came from just one council, whereas each of the other thirty-one contributed an average of just 2.84% of the total yes vote. Whichever way you look at it, the Glasgow vote makes up the bulk of the 45% that voted yes.
It doesn't seem to be realised by some people that just because a large majority of their own area is strongly in favour of something doesn't mean the same opinion is reflected by the majority everywhere else in Scotland.
Which means 12% came from just one council, whereas each of the other thirty-one contributed an average of just 2.84% of the total yes vote. Whichever way you look at it, the Glasgow vote makes up the bulk of the 45% that voted yes.
Seriously? What percentage of the Scottish population live in Glasgow? The population of Glasgow is about 600000, and the Scottish population is about 5.3 million. Which is just over 11% So proportionately, it mirrors population. Which does not take away from the fact that non-Glasgow votes were 88% (or the vast majority) of the Yes vote.
Seriously? What percentage of the Scottish population live in Glasgow? The population of Glasgow is about 600000, and the Scottish population is about 5.3 million. Which is just over 11% So proportionately, it mirrors population. Which does not take away from the fact that non-Glasgow votes were 88% (or the vast majority) of the Yes vote.
But Glasgow had the population to have potentially turned it for the Yes campaign. The fact that it didn't clinch it for the Yes campaign suggests that Yes was even less popular than the Yes campaign imagined all over the rest of Scotland.
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I can't see how he can push for another one. Had it been the other way around he wouldn't be offering the unionists a second stab at it so it's time to put up and shut up.
Methinks he'll be quietly planning his retirement from politics now. He has previously hinted that, what with his 60th birthday looming ever closer, he wasn't going to be around for "years" to come regardless of the result. I reckon he'll be gone by the time of the next Scottish elections - if not sooner.
That was always going to be the case with such a narrow loss - Salmon thinks that with just a little push he could swing it - so I he will not go quietly into the night.
I suspect he'll be thinking of his own legacy once the dust has settled. He'll push to ensure new powers for Scotland then use that as his point to depart on a high. I really dislike him but even I will admit he's been very successful. Though he didn't deliver independence he has brought the SNP further than anyone ever thought they would. With his ultimate goal of independence gone I think he'll look for some other victory and step aside on a relative high.
Of course, keep holding a referendum until you get the result you want.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29270441
A pretty emphatic dismissal of the possibility of any future referendum.
But the vote was not by an electoral college but simply by a majority of voters - and 45/55 is close enough.
Personally I have mixed feelings - Scotland remaining means that we will have Scottish votes propping up Labour (Labour polled less voters than the Conservatives in England) - but I really did not want to see Scotland go it's separate ways - not only that but I could not see if working economically meaning that we English would end up bailing out Scotland in decades to come.
That's over 400,000 voters.
Even if there was another 10% went to the ballot box in Dundee and Glasgow and all voted "yes" it still would not have been enough to turn it in Yes's favour.
The 10% gap is not the missing 10% in both Dundee and Glasgow compared with everywhere else. That's only 2 cities in Scotland albeit 2 of the largest cities. 10% extra yes votes in both Dundee and Glasgow does not add up to over 400,000 yes votes.
If Salmond seriously thinks 10% ( over 400,000) didn't turn up to vote yes at the ballot box in Dundee and Glasgow to match the percentages everywhere else he's pulling the wool over everybody's eyes.
Yes, and of course that 10% of missing voters could very well have comprised a large number of No voters who felt too intimidated to cast their vote!
Not wishing to be pedantic but 88% of the Yes vote was from outside Glasgow
But 12% of the Yes vote being in Glasgow was a big chunk.
And it still wasn't enough to clich it for the yes campaign.
It doesn't seem to be realised by some people that just because a large majority of their own area is strongly in favour of something doesn't mean the same opinion is reflected by the majority everywhere else in Scotland.
Seriously? What percentage of the Scottish population live in Glasgow? The population of Glasgow is about 600000, and the Scottish population is about 5.3 million. Which is just over 11% So proportionately, it mirrors population. Which does not take away from the fact that non-Glasgow votes were 88% (or the vast majority) of the Yes vote.
If by that time Cameron has not made good on his pledges, then there will be a lot of pissed off No voters in Scotland.
But Glasgow had the population to have potentially turned it for the Yes campaign. The fact that it didn't clinch it for the Yes campaign suggests that Yes was even less popular than the Yes campaign imagined all over the rest of Scotland.