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Obvious Wrong Direction
neelia
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Thinking about Matt's future and also the comments made about the direction that Joe was taken down. I started to wonder about what wrong directions there might be for this year's acts.
The example I have in my mind was Rhydian.
He got his deal and produced a good album, The vocals were great but it was a bit safe and didn't really take enough advantage of his talent IMO. It went double platinum. He had a great sell out tour - 24 gigs I think. The tour music was a great balance of the Showman (Bassey Bowie etc)( and the ballady side.
Then we get an album of Karl Jenkins and Welsh stuff (no offence to Wales but it was a strange mixture).
It was beutifully sung (but with too much of the choirs) but it was never going to appeal to a wide audience and although it was a success in terms of the classical charts, it was a big missed oppperunity,
Luckily for this year's acts, they are unlikelty to be fobbed off with Karl Jenkins or drowned in Welsh choirs but I am sure that there are some obvious wrong directions for them.
Matt - I can't see much in terms of an obvious wrong direction. Even doing an album of "girls song" covers that rely too heavily on his falsetto would have some appeal I think, even if a massive wasted opportunity. Is that the worst it could be?
Rebecca - I am on shakey ground commenting about Rebecca's direction as I didn't really like her singing the songs that I think her fans probably liked most. So for me the slow bluesy stuff would be the obvious wrong direction. However for her and her fans it might be the obvious right direction.
1D - No offence to the lads, They were likeable and I enjoyed them but I find it hard to take them seriously enough to think of them having a "direction" (as ironic as that is
), never mind a wrong one
Cher - no idea - I didn't get the appeal so I don't know what the difference between right and wrong would be.
Mary - I actually think that there is only one obvious direction for Mary and that is an album of belters and it would be the right direction.
What are your Obvious Wrong Directions for the acts?
The example I have in my mind was Rhydian.
He got his deal and produced a good album, The vocals were great but it was a bit safe and didn't really take enough advantage of his talent IMO. It went double platinum. He had a great sell out tour - 24 gigs I think. The tour music was a great balance of the Showman (Bassey Bowie etc)( and the ballady side.
Then we get an album of Karl Jenkins and Welsh stuff (no offence to Wales but it was a strange mixture).
It was beutifully sung (but with too much of the choirs) but it was never going to appeal to a wide audience and although it was a success in terms of the classical charts, it was a big missed oppperunity,
Luckily for this year's acts, they are unlikelty to be fobbed off with Karl Jenkins or drowned in Welsh choirs but I am sure that there are some obvious wrong directions for them.
Matt - I can't see much in terms of an obvious wrong direction. Even doing an album of "girls song" covers that rely too heavily on his falsetto would have some appeal I think, even if a massive wasted opportunity. Is that the worst it could be?
Rebecca - I am on shakey ground commenting about Rebecca's direction as I didn't really like her singing the songs that I think her fans probably liked most. So for me the slow bluesy stuff would be the obvious wrong direction. However for her and her fans it might be the obvious right direction.
1D - No offence to the lads, They were likeable and I enjoyed them but I find it hard to take them seriously enough to think of them having a "direction" (as ironic as that is
), never mind a wrong oneCher - no idea - I didn't get the appeal so I don't know what the difference between right and wrong would be.
Mary - I actually think that there is only one obvious direction for Mary and that is an album of belters and it would be the right direction.
What are your Obvious Wrong Directions for the acts?
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I can see a lot of them doing well. What a daft statement to make!! based on what? just being a Matt fan
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It is open. I have given my opinion and now want to get other ideas about obvious wrong directions.
I find it annoying when OPs start threads asking for opinions about something and not giving their own as if they are setting exam questions for us,
Do you say that because you don't like it personnally or that you think that she would be more sucessful doing something else?
For me, I would agree, but then, I didn't like Cher's non rapping enough to be interested in buying her stuff.
I don't see her not rapping as that seemed to be what her fans liked.
Any Cher fan want to comment about what her obvious wrong direction would be?
'Classical/cross-over', not 'classical', please. People into their classical music get very stroppy when the likes of Jenkins, Watson, Potts and Rhydian get mentioned in the same breath as 'classical music'.
She seems to have enough fans to support her in that choice, but only time will tell if she will be successful, like all the X Factor artists.
Wand Erection need to cash in fast on something that will appeal to the kids who are in lust with them. Wrong direction for them would be to spend ages on original material when the people who think they are great because they fancy Harry (for example) will buy any old crap as long as it has his picture on the cover. I'm surprised they didn't rush out a calendar for Christmas - or did they?!!!
Rebecca's a tricky one. She is a blues singer but wasn't given bluesy songs on the show so what do her fans want? She's not as good as Leona or Alexandra, although there is something there. She'll need a bit more thought put into her material than Wand Erection and Cher who are appealing to a very obvious market of Wanted and N-Dubz fans.
Just as a footnote - there is, of course, no wrong direction for Wagner. Whatever he releases will be brilliant and will probably win a grammy.
Of course that would be just my curiosity. I don't beleive that it would be a commersial sucess.
Would Wanger fans really buy a CD of his (in significant numbers)? If you enjoy his performances than I could imagine that a DVD might sell but not a CD
No, I'm not being bitchy here. I think for her the rap thing is a total red herring and if she tried to put herself into a pool with real rap artists, she'd be exposed and fall apart very quickly. There's a market for her but that's not it
Thanks for the clarification. I don't know much about rap, other than I don't like it.
I suppose though, if as you say her rapping isn't that good, then the problem would be that her fan base is not enough to ensure sucess and she is unlikely to add to it significantly
1d will produce a pop album and do very well for a year or two beyond that depends if they develop into something more than they are at the moment
Cher will do very well if she sticks to the edge of the mainstream like Cheryl, Rhianna, BEP a bit of a rap in a pop song it fine and will sell well - so long as she doesn't try to be too hardcore she will sell well to ordinary kids who buy chart music.
of the top 4 I find Rebecca the hardest to call because she undoubtedly has a voice but for me she didn't really develop an identity of her own during the show, either musically or personalitywise. She's obviously a nice person but for me she is the one who is going to rely most on others to determine her musical direction and that is almost always a mistake. I could be wrong though and I hope I am
As for 1d - their worst direction for me personally would be if they were turned into a dancing boyband. 1D have a rawness about them, they all have quite a cool image and Harry's vocals especially allow them to come across as being quite edgy. They should stick to the pop/rock route.
I'm gonna skip to Aiden now since I'm a huge fan
I think Aiden could be really huge or sink without trace. I really really hope that it is the former.
I don't think I've ever bought a single track released by an X Factor artist although I have liked some of them in their time within the context of the show - Ruth and Diana spring to mind. I thought Wagner was hilarious this year but you're right - the main entertainment was visual! I'd watch a Wagner TV special (!), can see him doing quite well with a Jedward style reality show - World of Wagner type thing - but not as a recording artist! I think there was a better voice in there than we were allowed to see but I'm not madly keen to buy a CD to find out how much of one!
See I think he is versatile his first audition proves it. As long as he stears clear of bland Middle Of The Road soft rock (ie James Morrison, James Blunt) ill be a happy bunny and appreciate whatever he does.
A bit pedantic though
Good music is good music, I can't be doing with snobbery within genres. Sorry but there is far too much of it about :mad: (although I'm not suggesting you are one
As you can see it's the Classical Chart as referred to by the OP correctly:
http://www.theofficialcharts.com/classical-charts/
,, and I could have sworn that that do we were at at in May was The Classical Brits Award
... asking for the wrong directions for the X Factor artistes?
I bet your cup is only ever half full OP!
Lol, yes it was Neelia. We were quite the posh lot that night weren't we
You are entitled to your opinion as to what is creepy but where a set up has form for sending good acts down the wrong road it is just another topic for discussion as to what is the most obvious wrong road for them.
Re my cup I am mindful to work out what full would mean and empty, so that I can better attain the former and avoid the latter
Indeed. If it was the other I would have thought that I was going to a Playex promotion
You would have served yourself better to ask which is the best direction for each artiste.
You have fallen into the tabloid press type headline thinking ... and asked for the negative!
The internet is full of your sort of negativity and I don't welcome it...even if you add smiley faces.
Here's a challenge OP... give us a list of the right direction for the finalists!
X a million
No I wouldn't as that is not what I wanted to know. Asking for the things to avoid is the best way of finding that out. If I had asked what was the best direction and people only answered that then it would not have given me what I was interested in
No I have thought through what would be the best direction and now wanted to explore what the obvious traps are.
I don't give a damn what you welcome or don't. Nor do I see it as a reason not to discuss what I wish to
But did you like her when she didn't rap?