May have to rehome dog
We have a two year old springer spaniel/retriever cross (male). He is generally a lovely friendly dog but very exciteable and boistrous.
We have a problem with him when people come to the house, he gets so over excited that he becomes something of a nuisance - jumping up, won't leave the visitors alone etc.
However our main problem is when we need to take him to the vets, he gets so stressed that he ends up becoming very aggressive and needs to be muzzled and sedated before the vet can even administer his booster injections. Seeing him in this aggressive state is frankly quite frightening and makes us wonder how stable he really is. Our daughter is expecting our first grandchild in September and although she doesn't live with us we are concerned for the babies safety if Scout gets jealous and turns on her. I must stress that Scout is not normally aggressive but having seen how he can react is causing us some concern.
We are considering some behavioural training but to be honest I do not know how effective that would be and the only alternative would seem to be to get him rehomed - we obviously cannot risk any potential harm happening to the baby.
So, if the worst comes to the worst, how do we go about getting him rehomed? does anyone know where we should start looking for a suitable adoptive family?
Any advice appreciated.
We have a problem with him when people come to the house, he gets so over excited that he becomes something of a nuisance - jumping up, won't leave the visitors alone etc.
However our main problem is when we need to take him to the vets, he gets so stressed that he ends up becoming very aggressive and needs to be muzzled and sedated before the vet can even administer his booster injections. Seeing him in this aggressive state is frankly quite frightening and makes us wonder how stable he really is. Our daughter is expecting our first grandchild in September and although she doesn't live with us we are concerned for the babies safety if Scout gets jealous and turns on her. I must stress that Scout is not normally aggressive but having seen how he can react is causing us some concern.
We are considering some behavioural training but to be honest I do not know how effective that would be and the only alternative would seem to be to get him rehomed - we obviously cannot risk any potential harm happening to the baby.
So, if the worst comes to the worst, how do we go about getting him rehomed? does anyone know where we should start looking for a suitable adoptive family?
Any advice appreciated.
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- He is scared at the vets and shows this, it doesn't mean they are unstable- My dog becomes another dog at the vets and it is hard tiring work that is an ongoing battle but I would never re home him. Take him to the vets more often get the reception workers to play with him. Get him used to the envionment.
- You are assuming he will turn on the baby before the baby is even here?? I was worried sick like you when a member of the family had a baby. Of course now they are supervised 100% of the time, that is common sense but my dog adores every child in the family. If you show you are unsure about the dog around the baby, the dog will wonder what is the problem, pick up on the tension. If you relax, but still be aware then the dog should adjust to the new situation.
Try those training classes. Try further bonding.
Re homing should be a last resort. But if you HAVE to do not give away to just anyone. Look at good re homing centres/charities in your area for advice who home check and give the dog to a family who is suited to your dog and will take care of it. The last thing you want I am sure is for your dog to go into the wrong hands.
He gets excited when people visit and stressed at the vets? That sounds pretty normal to me.
I have to be blunt, it sounds to me like he is becoming a handful and you are looking for an excuse to rehome him. Sorry.
Also, just re-read your post, springers and retrievers are working breeds, they need a lot of stimulation and exercise. Is he getting these?
I know you want advice about re-homing but I don't think you'll get that until you've had a discussion with people here about what you've tried and how that has gone. I'm sure that if you really have to get a new home for him people will give you suggestions but its only fair that you state your case first.
There is a recognised condition known as 'Springer Rage Syndrome' that they should investigtate.
The kind of behaviour they are describing considering the breed is a genuine cause for concern.
IMO, they should speak to their vets about this .
Springer Spaniels inflict more attacks and bites on humans than any other breed due to this syndrome.
Just to fill in a bit on the background. Scout was brought home by our other daughter (not the one who is pregnant) . Although my wife and I are fond of dogs and were both brought up with dogs we had no intention of getting a dog at that time. However once he was here we fell for him in a big way and have looked after him ever since.
He has had a course of behavioural training which has helped with his general behaviour but not the problems we have mentioned.
We took him to the vet today for a kennel cough vaccine but he ended up not getting it as he was so stressed and the vet was unable to administer the drug. The whole experience was so traumatic that I suppose the rehoming question was a reaction to yet another bad experience at the vets. The vet told us about another behavioural trainer who she recommended but I suppose we are just at a stage where we wonder if whatever we do will make a difference.
I work from home and spend more time than anyone with Scout - walk him twice a day etc. and believe me it would be the hardest thing in the world for me to give him up but I need some support in this from the rest of the family and I don't think their hearts are in it anymore.
I have emailed the new behavioural expert and will see what response we get from her before doing anything else but thanks again for the replies, I know it comes across like I have just given up on him but perhaps it is just caused by frustration at the events of today
I realise you find yourself in a very difficult situation. But reading this - why do you think a new home is going to resolve the problem? Okay it would resolve it for you, but how easy do you think it would be to find a home for a dog with these problems? I really hope the behaviourist can offer help and you are able to keep him.
As Josephine says, if you have to rehome him please do it through a reputable animal welfare society - and please tell them the extent of the problems so they know what they are dealing with.
Having slept on it, I think that considering rehoming may have been a bit of a knee jerk reaction.
I think I need to look at the two main problems we have as separate issues.
I am fairly sure that the jumping up at visitors can be resolved with some intensive training.
Reflecting on the incident at the vets it is clear that Scout was extremely stressed and that his behaviour was caused by fright rather than plain aggression. Because he starts to react so strongly to going to the vets even before the vet tries to treat him I think that we would be on a hiding to nothing if we perservere with taking him to the same vets practice. I am thinking therefore of registering him with another vets practice in walkind distance and taking him there on a regular basis during his normal exercise walk just so that he gets used to it. He is not due for a routine visit until the end of November so I hope that by that time he may be more relaxed about his visits to the vet.
Any comments or suggestions welcome
My dog used to jump on people when they came through the door but as she is little she got away with it, people would say "ah it doesn't matter, she's so sweet" but it bothered me. I used the following technique, which incidentally, I have also used on my boss's collie X who comes to work and it has been successful for him too.
When someone comes in the house, or indeed approaches you and the dog anywhere, tell them to maintain eye contact with you and do not look at Scout. When Scout jumps up the person must turn their back on him, they can acknowledge him when he has all four feet on the floor. If he starts bouncing around again just turn away. It takes a few goes but I find that this starts to work really quickly. The dog begins to understand that you are the boss so you get first attention from visitors and secondly, he only gets what he wants when he asks politely.
Let me know if you try this and how you get on.
I have a rescue Cocker, nothing like the Cockers I've had from pups. This one acts more like a mad Springer, and spring he does on all four legs when I come in. I simply refuse to acknowledge him until he sits down. It's working, rather than jumping, he now vocalises his delight almost like he's trying to talk.
One thing that calms mine is to give him something for him to parade with. Anyone with a retrieving breed will know what I mean. They get something such as a toy or ball, and walk around with it, pleased as punch. Maybe on entering the house, have something to give him to parade with.
On the Vet question, why on Earth have they not suggested a mild sedative for you to administer before taking him? As he was due a kennel cough vaccine, does that mean he was going into kennels? If so,will the kennels take him without it? It's a squirt up the nose, surely possible with a Vet's muzzle that leaves the nose free.
My Vet always gets down to my dog's level to make friends before anything else,hope yours does too. Like Drs, some Vets have the gift of a bedside manner, others don't.
There is also a plug in to calm dogs called Feliway.http://www.nutrecare.co.uk/Product-1746/DAP-Dog-Appeasing-Pheromone-for-dogs/DAP-Diffuser-Dog-Appeasing-Pheromone
I would like to see some hard evidence of "Springer Rage Syndrome" if you have any links please. Is this the same as "Cocker Rage" or "Rage Syndrome"? Can you back up your last sentence please?
I have registered Scout at a new vets and I took him there yesterday for a social visit. He got on fine, had a look around and was made a fuss of by the nurses.
I will be taking him back a couple more times over the next ten days but the crunch will come a week on Friday when he needs to get his kennel cough innoculation ready to go into the kennel for our holiday.
Wish me luck, either way it will need to done or we won't be going away on hols.
Hi Rubble you have two issues here, the vet and the jumping up with visitors. The jumping up with visitors is an easy fix. As the visit to the vets is usually few and far between concentrate on the easy fix first. My Staffie was terrible at jumping up, I took her to the GCDS run by the kennel Club and after two sessions we have cracked it, but its very, very har work and you do need to get friends, family and neighbours to help out. Spaniels are really working dogs, busy dogs and VERY intelligent and need stimulation not just walking think of other things to do play at retrieving and things like that. Take him to gun dog lessons etc my girl goes to Flyball to spend all her energy and enthusiasm as I cant walk far enough to tire her out!
The jumping up is an easy thing to doand it works with lots and lots of treat/reward, only do this when Scout give you the behaviour you want. I enroled my mate to come to the door, come in, my girl as usual jumped up, I would give the command to stop and yup she carried on, and until her bum just touched the floor she was then rewarded. Its time consuming and hard but a Spaniel will get the idea wuickly which is a bonus. The Dogs trust do some fab videos about behaviour problems also the lady that does it has them up onYouTube if you get stuck PM me
Keep at it, dont re-home as you are just palming off a problem to someone else its not resolved :-)
Good luck
never heard of Springer rage either,in fact most Springers ive ever met are nothing but overfriendly.
I know someone who had a cocker spaniel that had cocker rage,the guy had cockers all his life but this one(golden) was vicious.he had him put down in the end.