What a joke petrol has gone from 135.9 to 138.9 since yesterday and diesel from 141.9 to 144.9. Just cost me £66 to fill a tank that cost £45 3 years ago. :mad::mad::mad: Even as recently as Christmas petrol was around the 127.9 mark.
It won't be long now until the £1.50 litre is here :mad:
What are prices around your way and will they ever go down?
Bottom line.
The government are not particularly keen on you driving your car on our heavily congested road network. The easiest way to try and curtail this is to put petrol prices up.
Some people need a private car as an essential way to get around in more rural/remote areas, but many people in urban areas don't with a bit of planning/sacrifice.
Either way. If this country doesn't cut down on private car use, particularly during peak times, we are soon going to reach a state of permanent gridlock on many roads.
And the average cost of running a car/motoring by most sources has risen less over the last 20 years, than the cost of using public transport.
Any finger pointing regarding the cost of fuel should be done at the government, not the fuel companies, as most of the cost of fuel is taxation by the government.
If you want fuel prices to go down significantly, then be prepared to pay more in general taxes, such as income tax. I for one (not owning a car) would prefer people who have cars to pay their way, rather than me having to subsidise the cost of those that do.
Yep, I keep a record (I have reasons!) and it was £1.27 at its cheapest in January (for me, that is) and was £1.42 yesterday. Ok different garages probably but not motorway garages
Do you have a reason why you keep a record?:rolleyes:
Petrol is a finite resource that is becoming harder and harder to extract. Meanwhile demand for it is increasing. Further rises are inevitable. It's not likely to fall significantly in price until/unless vehicles stop using it for fuel. But right now an additional problem is the fall in Sterling relative to the Dollar. Oil is priced in Dollars so it's increasing the cost even further.
Bottom line: The price of petrol is going to continue to rise. There's nothing we can do to stop it. It's a fact of life.
It was rumoured years ago that somebody was close to developing a much cheaper alternative fuel. That trail has gone cold so I suspect he's been droned.
Yep, I keep a record (I have reasons!) and it was £1.27 at its cheapest in January (for me, that is) and was £1.42 yesterday. Ok different garages probably but not motorway garages
I keep records too, but that's just because I'm a sad bastard with OCD!! From the Shell garage on the A34 near Newbury, this is how petrol and diesel prices have changed this year.
Although diesel seems to have been going up almost every day, it's only 4p/l since Jan 1st
Petrol Tue 01 Jan 13 _____135.99 _____ Baseline
Thu 10 Jan 13 _____135.99 _____ Petrol gone up
Mon 28 Jan 13 _____134.99 _____ Petrol Gone down
Thu 31 Jan 13 _____135.99 _____ Petrol gone up
Tue 12 Feb 13 _____136.99 _____ Petrol gone up
Tue 19 Feb 13 _____138.99 _____ Petrol gone up
Thu 21 Feb 13 _____139.99 _____ Petrol gone up
Mon 25 Feb 13 _____140.99 _____ Petrol gone up
Tue 26 Feb 13 _____141.99 _____ Petrol gone up
Diesel
Tue 01 Jan 13 ___143.99 _____Baseline
Wed 02 Jan 13 ___142.99 _____Diesel Gone down
Mon 07 Jan 13 ___141.99 _____Diesel Gone down
Tue 08 Jan 13 ___142.99 _____Diesel gone up
Wed 16 Jan 13 ___143.99 _____Diesel gone up
Thu 31 Jan 13 ___144.99 _____Diesel gone up
Tue 19 Feb 13 ___145.99 _____Diesel gone up
Thu 21 Feb 13 ___146.99 _____Diesel gone up
Thu 28 Feb 13 ___147.99 _____Diesel gone up
It did seem to me that when the Office of Fair Trading started its investigation into fuel prices last year - prices came down, significantly, and stayed down. Then as soon as the investigation was finished they immediately started, significantly, escalating again. Hard not to be somewhat suspicious.
Just be grateful that none of you live on the Isle of Lewis. I was there 3 years ago and petrol, that's petrol, not diesel was £1.50 a litre, I have no idea what it is now, but it must be £1.65 I would have thought! :eek:
There are far too many cars on the road and there are far too many idiots.
What was once a luxury is now a way of life to some.
I would gladly pay £5 per litre if it was guaranteed to get rid of half the cars and make todays roads much quieter and safer.
So getting rid of all those on less than the average salary then and only those on very good salaries (say, £30k+) can afford to drive?
Let's make driving, owning and running a car a thing for the well off. Great plan. Everyone else is a second class citizen, who drive recklessly and causing all the congestion on the roads. Great plan, shhhh, great plan.
There are far too many idiots on the road, yes, but not all of them are on low incomes, some are very wealthy and could afford £5 a litre for petrol.
What a joke petrol has gone from 135.9 to 138.9 since yesterday and diesel from 141.9 to 144.9. Just cost me £66 to fill a tank that cost £45 3 years ago. :mad::mad::mad: Even as recently as Christmas petrol was around the 127.9 mark.
It won't be long now until the £1.50 litre is here :mad:
What are prices around your way and will they ever go down?
keep putting the price of petrol up. just means less for non-essentials. I have to drive for work but things like meals out, clothes,holidays etc will be dropped if i can't afford it. The high street is already dead, expect these other industries to be driven to the wall due to the lack of any disposable income.
keep putting the price of petrol up. just means less for non-essentials. I have to drive for work but things like meals out, clothes,holidays etc will be dropped if i can't afford it. The high street is already dead, expect these other industries to be driven to the wall due to the lack of any disposable income.
The price is not going up at the moment because anyone decided to put it up - it's due to the double whammy of higher oil prices and a lower currency. They have to be paid for or we don't get the fuel at all.
The only part of the price - and admittedly it's the largest part - which can be adjusted to mitigate the rise in the actual cost of the product is the tax and duty. At least the present government hasn't piled on increases in fuel duty the way the last one did, but I won't be holding my breath waiting for them to reduce it.
keep putting the price of petrol up. just means less for non-essentials. I have to drive for work but things like meals out, clothes,holidays etc will be dropped if i can't afford it. The high street is already dead, expect these other industries to be driven to the wall due to the lack of any disposable income.
Fun times ahead. Go to work to pay for fuel for your car which enables you to go to work to pay for the fuel in your car which enables you to go to work..................
Road Tax should be scrapped and incorporated into fuel. That's the fairest way which would avoid those less well off being clobbered every time and would squeeze the better off instead. Fuel prices in the UK are excessively high because of VAT and Fuel Duty.
In fairness your cars, even brand new ones offer shockingly poor MPG. You may pay less at the pumps but as long as you go on thinking 30mpg rural is a good number you really aren't saving much.
30 mpg rural isn't good gas mileage (and just to note, an American gallon is smaller than a British gallon...3.785L vs. 4.54L)...my car gets about that (36 miles / British gallon) rurally and it's 12 years old and huge (as far as sedans or "saloons" go). I think most new cars get at least 35-40 mpUSg, which might not compare to the vehicles on the UK or EU market (Americans like the power and space their cars give them...which makes sense when you spend an hour or two a day in a car), but at least it's better than 10 years ago.
(Americans like the power and space their cars give them...which makes sense when you spend an hour or two a day in a car), but at least it's better than 10 years ago.
Just thank your lucky stars you don't live here then..... because you'd have a heart failure after the first fill up! Also many British can also find themselves driving long distances as they get pushed further afield for work.
Whichever way people turn to try and lower their costs, Government will whack them with punitive taxation. Diesel used to be cheaper than petrol because most owned petrol engined cars. When Diesel engines improved more people began buying them in favour of petrol. So Government hiked the price of diesel up above that of petrol.
Small economy cars usually around 1ltr engine currently qualify for low road tax, or in some cases zero. Lots of people went out and bought them. Government are now looking at ways of whacking them with the worn out excuse of "we're losing revenue".
Just thank your lucky stars you don't live here then..... because you'd have a heart failure after the first fill up! Also many British can also find themselves driving long distances as they get pushed further afield for work.
Whichever way people turn to try and lower their costs, Government will whack them with punitive taxation. Diesel used to be cheaper than petrol because most owned petrol engined cars. When Diesel engines improved more people began buying them in favour of petrol. So Government hiked the price of diesel up above that of petrol.
Small economy cars usually around 1ltr engine currently qualify for low road tax, or in some cases zero. Lots of people went out and bought them. Government are now looking at ways of whacking them with the worn out excuse of "we're losing revenue".
My car has a 3.8L V6 engine I pay approximately...$40? in road tax (actually a registration fee) a year, because it's more than 9 years old. I fill it up every week or two for about $60 a pop. There is such a thing as a "gas guzzler" tax, but it's only applied to exotic cars, mostly imports from Europe (ironically).
Diesel here used to be cheaper than gas but since the oil price hike is usually more expensive by about 50-70 cents per gallon. Diesel cars are rare...gas-electric hybrids are probably more common now. Diesel pick-up trucks are somewhat common, though, and almost all utility vehicles run on diesel. Interestingly, a lot of European diesel cars would not meet U.S. standards for emissions or safety. I would love to have the Peugeot 407 (sedan) in the U.S., though...
My car has a 3.8L V6 engine I pay approximately...$40? in road tax (actually a registration fee) a year, because it's more than 9 years old.
Just to put that into perspective using my own car as a comparison, an eleven year old Ford Focus 1.8ltr hatchback saloon costs $322just for one years road tax.
Here tax banding is according to engine size and type and your 3.8 litre would cost double that amount. To give you an idea using a vehicle type you will be familiar with, 12 months road tax for a Chrysler Grand Voyager 3.8 litre would cost $652.
I fill it up every week or two for about $60 a pop. There is such a thing as a "gas guzzler" tax, but it's only applied to exotic cars, mostly imports from Europe (ironically).
My tank holds 55ltrs and at the lowest local prices would cost $112 to fill.
Yes your "gas guzzler" tax is a bit of a joke quite frankly as I once looked at touring the US and am familiar with your large RV's, most of which run 6 to 8litre engines, the vast majority of which are petrol engined.....because your petrol is so cheap nobody even bothers looking at a diesel.
Diesel here used to be cheaper than gas but since the oil price hike is usually more expensive by about 50-70 cents per gallon. Diesel cars are rare...gas-electric hybrids are probably more common now. Diesel pick-up trucks are somewhat common, though, and almost all utility vehicles run on diesel. Interestingly, a lot of European diesel cars would not meet U.S. standards for emissions or safety. I would love to have the Peugeot 407 (sedan) in the U.S., though...
BIB....I have a Camper I use for touring which is based on the Ford Transit chassis with a 2.5TDi (turbo diesel injected) engine.
London has a Low Emission Zone which certain vehicles have to pay a charge of $150 per day if driving within the zone. My Transit Campervan is among the vehicles listed.
However my petrol engined Ford Focus car, which I can drive in the Zone without incurring any charges, gives a higher emission reading than my diesel Ford Transit.
Thats how nonsensical these emission controls are. And as you probably know, UK is obsessed with 'being green' and 'environmental issues', yet my son who lives inside Londons Low Emissions Zone just happens to live below one of the flight paths used by Heathrow International Airport where 747's queue up to land at the rate of one every 60 seconds......but that's ok because every plane that lands is potentially bringing in shed loads of money to the country!
There are far too many cars on the road and there are far too many idiots.
What was once a luxury is now a way of life to some.
I would gladly pay £5 per litre if it was guaranteed to get rid of half the cars and make todays roads much quieter and safer.
say bye bye to the UK if you did that - the economy would fall over within 1-2days, making the current recession look like a walk in the park. Central gov would have to put armed soldiers on the street, and there would be no food in the shops, + lots of attacks on people by other people for food, fuel, money, etc, with the army having orders to shoot to kill.
The country could not keep going with only a few rich people able to afford fuel. Everyone and everything is based around oil, even if you dont own a car. Even sat indoors under your £5 plan, you would have no heating, and no lights, and certainly no tv or phone.
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Bottom line.
The government are not particularly keen on you driving your car on our heavily congested road network. The easiest way to try and curtail this is to put petrol prices up.
Some people need a private car as an essential way to get around in more rural/remote areas, but many people in urban areas don't with a bit of planning/sacrifice.
Either way. If this country doesn't cut down on private car use, particularly during peak times, we are soon going to reach a state of permanent gridlock on many roads.
And the average cost of running a car/motoring by most sources has risen less over the last 20 years, than the cost of using public transport.
Any finger pointing regarding the cost of fuel should be done at the government, not the fuel companies, as most of the cost of fuel is taxation by the government.
If you want fuel prices to go down significantly, then be prepared to pay more in general taxes, such as income tax. I for one (not owning a car) would prefer people who have cars to pay their way, rather than me having to subsidise the cost of those that do.
Do you have a reason why you keep a record?:rolleyes:
Said so in their post if you read it.
It was rumoured years ago that somebody was close to developing a much cheaper alternative fuel. That trail has gone cold so I suspect he's been droned.
I keep records too, but that's just because I'm a sad bastard with OCD!! From the Shell garage on the A34 near Newbury, this is how petrol and diesel prices have changed this year.
Although diesel seems to have been going up almost every day, it's only 4p/l since Jan 1st
Petrol
Tue 01 Jan 13 _____135.99 _____ Baseline
Thu 10 Jan 13 _____135.99 _____ Petrol gone up
Mon 28 Jan 13 _____134.99 _____ Petrol Gone down
Thu 31 Jan 13 _____135.99 _____ Petrol gone up
Tue 12 Feb 13 _____136.99 _____ Petrol gone up
Tue 19 Feb 13 _____138.99 _____ Petrol gone up
Thu 21 Feb 13 _____139.99 _____ Petrol gone up
Mon 25 Feb 13 _____140.99 _____ Petrol gone up
Tue 26 Feb 13 _____141.99 _____ Petrol gone up
Diesel
Tue 01 Jan 13 ___143.99 _____Baseline
Wed 02 Jan 13 ___142.99 _____Diesel Gone down
Mon 07 Jan 13 ___141.99 _____Diesel Gone down
Tue 08 Jan 13 ___142.99 _____Diesel gone up
Wed 16 Jan 13 ___143.99 _____Diesel gone up
Thu 31 Jan 13 ___144.99 _____Diesel gone up
Tue 19 Feb 13 ___145.99 _____Diesel gone up
Thu 21 Feb 13 ___146.99 _____Diesel gone up
Thu 28 Feb 13 ___147.99 _____Diesel gone up
There are far too many cars on the road and there are far too many idiots.
What was once a luxury is now a way of life to some.
I would gladly pay £5 per litre if it was guaranteed to get rid of half the cars and make todays roads much quieter and safer.
The pace of life will certainly change when large numbers of us take up cycling once again. :cool:
About as straight hard fact as gay soft porn
So getting rid of all those on less than the average salary then and only those on very good salaries (say, £30k+) can afford to drive?
Let's make driving, owning and running a car a thing for the well off. Great plan. Everyone else is a second class citizen, who drive recklessly and causing all the congestion on the roads. Great plan, shhhh, great plan.
There are far too many idiots on the road, yes, but not all of them are on low incomes, some are very wealthy and could afford £5 a litre for petrol.
Someone said that nobody would ask so I did...let it pass
The price is not going up at the moment because anyone decided to put it up - it's due to the double whammy of higher oil prices and a lower currency. They have to be paid for or we don't get the fuel at all.
The only part of the price - and admittedly it's the largest part - which can be adjusted to mitigate the rise in the actual cost of the product is the tax and duty. At least the present government hasn't piled on increases in fuel duty the way the last one did, but I won't be holding my breath waiting for them to reduce it.
Fun times ahead. Go to work to pay for fuel for your car which enables you to go to work to pay for the fuel in your car which enables you to go to work..................
30 mpg rural isn't good gas mileage (and just to note, an American gallon is smaller than a British gallon...3.785L vs. 4.54L)...my car gets about that (36 miles / British gallon) rurally and it's 12 years old and huge (as far as sedans or "saloons" go). I think most new cars get at least 35-40 mpUSg, which might not compare to the vehicles on the UK or EU market (Americans like the power and space their cars give them...which makes sense when you spend an hour or two a day in a car), but at least it's better than 10 years ago.
Whichever way people turn to try and lower their costs, Government will whack them with punitive taxation. Diesel used to be cheaper than petrol because most owned petrol engined cars. When Diesel engines improved more people began buying them in favour of petrol. So Government hiked the price of diesel up above that of petrol.
Small economy cars usually around 1ltr engine currently qualify for low road tax, or in some cases zero. Lots of people went out and bought them. Government are now looking at ways of whacking them with the worn out excuse of "we're losing revenue".
My car has a 3.8L V6 engine
Diesel here used to be cheaper than gas but since the oil price hike is usually more expensive by about 50-70 cents per gallon. Diesel cars are rare...gas-electric hybrids are probably more common now. Diesel pick-up trucks are somewhat common, though, and almost all utility vehicles run on diesel. Interestingly, a lot of European diesel cars would not meet U.S. standards for emissions or safety. I would love to have the Peugeot 407 (sedan) in the U.S., though...
Here tax banding is according to engine size and type and your 3.8 litre would cost double that amount. To give you an idea using a vehicle type you will be familiar with, 12 months road tax for a Chrysler Grand Voyager 3.8 litre would cost $652.
My tank holds 55ltrs and at the lowest local prices would cost $112 to fill.
Yes your "gas guzzler" tax is a bit of a joke quite frankly as I once looked at touring the US and am familiar with your large RV's, most of which run 6 to 8litre engines, the vast majority of which are petrol engined.....because your petrol is so cheap nobody even bothers looking at a diesel.
BIB....I have a Camper I use for touring which is based on the Ford Transit chassis with a 2.5TDi (turbo diesel injected) engine.
London has a Low Emission Zone which certain vehicles have to pay a charge of $150 per day if driving within the zone. My Transit Campervan is among the vehicles listed.
However my petrol engined Ford Focus car, which I can drive in the Zone without incurring any charges, gives a higher emission reading than my diesel Ford Transit.
Thats how nonsensical these emission controls are. And as you probably know, UK is obsessed with 'being green' and 'environmental issues', yet my son who lives inside Londons Low Emissions Zone just happens to live below one of the flight paths used by Heathrow International Airport where 747's queue up to land at the rate of one every 60 seconds......but that's ok because every plane that lands is potentially bringing in shed loads of money to the country!
say bye bye to the UK if you did that - the economy would fall over within 1-2days, making the current recession look like a walk in the park. Central gov would have to put armed soldiers on the street, and there would be no food in the shops, + lots of attacks on people by other people for food, fuel, money, etc, with the army having orders to shoot to kill.
The country could not keep going with only a few rich people able to afford fuel. Everyone and everything is based around oil, even if you dont own a car. Even sat indoors under your £5 plan, you would have no heating, and no lights, and certainly no tv or phone.