The artist is portraying Price in a sympathetic light , she would be mocked if she took this to court. Especially 3 years after the event.
I wouldn't care what kind of light it was portraying me were I in KP's position. Any kind of association with someone like Myra Hindley would make me sick to the stomach and also scared and angry, no matter what the message.
I wouldn't care what kind of light it was portraying me were I in KP's position. Any kind of association with someone like Myra Hindley would make me sick to the stomach and also scared and angry, no matter what the message.
But she is not being associated with her. She is being compared to her.
I wouldn't care what kind of light it was portraying me were I in KP's position. Any kind of association with someone like Myra Hindley would make me sick to the stomach and also scared and angry, no matter what the message.
I see the point but that image of MH is beyond creepy, and when you look into her eyes its like you can see the evil in her. When you look at Katie you can see she's just dead behind the eyes rather than evil.
I would be creeped out if someone had imposed my face onto that image, but I doubt KP cares. Whether she sued or not is irrelevant and I'm sure if she had, some people would insist she had done it to draw more attention to herself.
But she is not being associated with her. She is being compared to her.
It is a little straw man, but not scary.
It's all just vile, though. No possible message - positive or negative - can justify this artists' actions. Or anyone else who uses a subject like Myra Hindley to make a point.
Not really. It's got you (general, not specific) talking about it. I thought the symbolism was fairly obvious, pedestrian even.
The artist appears to understand their market well.
Well, I'd rather not be talking about it. I would have been happy to not even hear of it. I despise people like this artist and whatever they stand for with their thoughtless and outright nasty manipulation of people just so they can be smug. Horrid.
Idiots and mob mentality, maybe? And just the general horribleness of such a thing.
I asked you. Which idiots, which mob? This piece came out 3 years ago and was hardly big news then. General horribleness is hardly a reason not to create art. Sometimes we need work like this to provoke a reaction within ourselves, it's a medium that helps the viewer think deeply about a subject.
I agree with you however that this piece is cliched and done before.
I asked you. Which idiots, which mob? This piece came out 3 years ago and was hardly big news then. General horribleness is hardly a reason not to create art. Sometimes we need work like this to provoke a reaction within ourselves, it's a medium that helps the viewer think deeply about a subject.
I agree with you however that this piece is cliched and done before.
I must have totally missed that bit. I really should have read the first post properly. I thought it was strange for Katie Price not to have kicked up a fuss in her column over this recently.
Well, I'd rather not be talking about it. I would have been happy to not even hear of it. I despise people like this artist and whatever they stand for with their thoughtless and outright nasty manipulation of people just so they can be smug. Horrid.
How is he being smug? He hasn't manipulated anyone.
I think it's a very clever piece of work. Yes it's tasteless, but the whole point of art is to incite debate, get people's creativity going and to get people talking. Looks like it's worked on the latter part if nothing else.
I don't need a piece of "art" to provoke a reaction or tell me how to feel. I deeply pity anyone who does. I also have no idea how any art featuring Myra Hindley could possibly fuel someone's creativity - how warped if it does!
I frankly can't believe people are defending the artist or his piece of art in any fashion, but I suppose it's a chance to be superior to those of us who dislike this sort of thing. Superiority seems to be a large part of what "art" like this is all about.
Anyway, I've exhausted myself and given the artist far too much attention...
I don't need a piece of "art" to provoke a reaction or tell me how to feel. I deeply pity anyone who does. I also have no idea how any art featuring Myra Hindley could possibly fuel someone's creativity - how warped if it does!
I frankly can't believe people are defending the artist or his piece of art in any fashion, but I suppose it's a chance to be superior to those of us who dislike this sort of thing. Superiority seems to be a large part of what "art" like this is all about.
Anyway, I've exhausted myself and given the artist far too much attention...
Did you actually read the article you posted or just saw the picture? Jordan didn't do it - an artist did it. And to be fair, his reasoning behind doing it is pretty interesting and extremely representative of people's views on her.
I don't need a piece of "art" to provoke a reaction or tell me how to feel. I deeply pity anyone who does. I also have no idea how any art featuring Myra Hindley could possibly fuel someone's creativity - how warped if it does!
I frankly can't believe people are defending the artist or his piece of art in any fashion, but I suppose it's a chance to be superior to those of us who dislike this sort of thing. Superiority seems to be a large part of what "art" like this is all about.
Anyway, I've exhausted myself and given the artist far too much attention...
Woah.
YOU are the one bringing superiority into this which is very telling. Please advise me where at any point I insisted I was superior to anyone who didn't appreciate this work?
You don't like it, I do, but please do not harp on about 'superiority' as though someone who appreciates this is being dismissive of those who don't - that is hugely disingenuous and unnecessary.
I don't need a piece of "art" to provoke a reaction or tell me how to feel. I deeply pity anyone who does. I also have no idea how any art featuring Myra Hindley could possibly fuel someone's creativity - how warped if it does!
I frankly can't believe people are defending the artist or his piece of art in any fashion, but I suppose it's a chance to be superior to those of us who dislike this sort of thing. Superiority seems to be a large part of what "art" like this is all about.
Anyway, I've exhausted myself and given the artist far too much attention...
That you feel 'superiority' is at the root of a different and/or more positive reaction to a piece of work you find offensive is truly sad. And so defensive! But I guess you'll just see this response as more evidence of superiority...
Also, you're judging Sharkey on this one piece of work, as if it represents him and his entire output. He's actually a very talented and successful artist.
An old story about a self confessed has-been artist who sold everything including himself, cobbles together a "controversial" image of another self confessed, self-promoting has-been.
What a non story!
An old story about a self confessed has-been artist who sold everything including himself, cobbles together a "controversial" image of another self confessed, self-promoting has-been.
The thing is he's not insulting Jordan in the slightest, quite the opposite in fact, if you read the article, you'll see this.
Personally speaking I just found the whole thing very tasteless.
This ^
I 'get' the point he is trying to make but I just don't understand why he needs to make it anyway. People who understand what he did there would already know that these two women are poles apart (iconically, and in most other ways) and it's patronizing. People who don't understand it and just see it as a 'vile' image are never going to appreciate the artist's point (and why should they?- it's a very nasty-looking contrast).
There will also be those who assume that Katie Price was complicit in this, because she is so into self-promotion and, much as I don't like her, I don't think it's fair she should take any flak for something that she has had no part in sanctioning.
In conclusion, I think it's ill-judged but anything seems to pass as 'art' today/
I can't believe people are making assumptions about my character or motives for hating something to do with Myra Hindley. You lot are as twisted as the artist and this forum is a joke. I'm sorry I ever started posted again.
Even when understanding the art, I can still think it vile.
The way I'm being sneered at and tarnished because I dare not think the art anything more than disgusting and pointless is insane.
I can't believe people are making assumptions about my character or motives for hating something to do with Myra Hindley. You lot are as twisted as the artist and this forum is a joke. I'm sorry I ever started posted again.
Even when understanding the art, I can still think it vile.
The way I'm being sneered at and tarnished because I dare not think the art anything more than disgusting and pointless is insane.
Hi
I think it would be a shame if you stopped posting just because people disagree with your point of view. It is inevitable on a public forum that there will be a conflict of opinions but just bear in mind that you are entitled to your opinion even if others don't agree with it.
I can see both sides of the argument here, I get where you are coming from because the photograph is hideous and I can fully understand why some would find it offensive. On the other hand I understand the point the artist was making.
I don't like KP, I think she is a very unpleasant individual but being referred to as the "most hated woman in Britain" is way OTT. Sometimes people need to put things in perspective, which is the point the artist was making.
I think it would be a shame if you stopped posting just because people disagree with your point of view. It is inevitable on a public forum that there will be a conflict of opinions but just bear in mind that you are entitled to your opinion even if others don't agree with it.
I can see both sides of the argument here, I get where you are coming from because the photograph is hideous and I can fully understand why some would find it offensive. On the other hand I understand the point the artist was making.
I don't like KP, I think she is a very unpleasant individual but being referred to as the "most hated woman in Britain" is way OTT. Sometimes people need to put things in perspective, which is the point the artist was making.
The photograph is pretty horrible though.
Bits in bold............I agree to a certain extent but if you're going to post on a forum, you need to learn to accept that there are times not everyone is going to agree with your point & just take it on the chin without feeling victimised.
The artist is (as I pointed out previously) not portraying KP as the most hated woman in Britain, he is showing us what a real hate figure is ie Myra Hindley, subsequently explaining why it is ridiculous to class KP as this.
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I wouldn't care what kind of light it was portraying me were I in KP's position. Any kind of association with someone like Myra Hindley would make me sick to the stomach and also scared and angry, no matter what the message.
But she is not being associated with her. She is being compared to her.
It is a little straw man, but not scary.
Strange way of doing it.
Not really. It's got you (general, not specific) talking about it. I thought the symbolism was fairly obvious, pedestrian even.
The artist appears to understand their market well.
I don't understand, what are you frightened of?
I would be creeped out if someone had imposed my face onto that image, but I doubt KP cares. Whether she sued or not is irrelevant and I'm sure if she had, some people would insist she had done it to draw more attention to herself.
It's all just vile, though. No possible message - positive or negative - can justify this artists' actions. Or anyone else who uses a subject like Myra Hindley to make a point.
Idiots and mob mentality, maybe? And just the general horribleness of such a thing.
Well, I'd rather not be talking about it. I would have been happy to not even hear of it. I despise people like this artist and whatever they stand for with their thoughtless and outright nasty manipulation of people just so they can be smug. Horrid.
I asked you. Which idiots, which mob? This piece came out 3 years ago and was hardly big news then. General horribleness is hardly a reason not to create art. Sometimes we need work like this to provoke a reaction within ourselves, it's a medium that helps the viewer think deeply about a subject.
I agree with you however that this piece is cliched and done before.
I must have totally missed that bit. I really should have read the first post properly. I thought it was strange for Katie Price not to have kicked up a fuss in her column over this recently.
How is he being smug?
I frankly can't believe people are defending the artist or his piece of art in any fashion, but I suppose it's a chance to be superior to those of us who dislike this sort of thing. Superiority seems to be a large part of what "art" like this is all about.
Anyway, I've exhausted myself and given the artist far too much attention...
I wander how you'd cope with this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_the_Innocents_(Rubens)
Observe the nude on the right hand side lifting the baby in to the air ready to thrash its body against a marble post.
Far more tasteless and distressing than this Hyndly / Price pic - but one of the greatest paintings ever created.
Did you actually read the article you posted or just saw the picture? Jordan didn't do it - an artist did it. And to be fair, his reasoning behind doing it is pretty interesting and extremely representative of people's views on her.
Woah.
YOU are the one bringing superiority into this which is very telling. Please advise me where at any point I insisted I was superior to anyone who didn't appreciate this work?
You don't like it, I do, but please do not harp on about 'superiority' as though someone who appreciates this is being dismissive of those who don't - that is hugely disingenuous and unnecessary.
That you feel 'superiority' is at the root of a different and/or more positive reaction to a piece of work you find offensive is truly sad. And so defensive! But I guess you'll just see this response as more evidence of superiority...
Also, you're judging Sharkey on this one piece of work, as if it represents him and his entire output. He's actually a very talented and successful artist.
What a non story!
This is probably the case.
This ^
I 'get' the point he is trying to make but I just don't understand why he needs to make it anyway. People who understand what he did there would already know that these two women are poles apart (iconically, and in most other ways) and it's patronizing. People who don't understand it and just see it as a 'vile' image are never going to appreciate the artist's point (and why should they?- it's a very nasty-looking contrast).
There will also be those who assume that Katie Price was complicit in this, because she is so into self-promotion and, much as I don't like her, I don't think it's fair she should take any flak for something that she has had no part in sanctioning.
In conclusion, I think it's ill-judged but anything seems to pass as 'art' today/
Even when understanding the art, I can still think it vile.
The way I'm being sneered at and tarnished because I dare not think the art anything more than disgusting and pointless is insane.
Hi
I think it would be a shame if you stopped posting just because people disagree with your point of view. It is inevitable on a public forum that there will be a conflict of opinions but just bear in mind that you are entitled to your opinion even if others don't agree with it.
I can see both sides of the argument here, I get where you are coming from because the photograph is hideous and I can fully understand why some would find it offensive. On the other hand I understand the point the artist was making.
I don't like KP, I think she is a very unpleasant individual but being referred to as the "most hated woman in Britain" is way OTT. Sometimes people need to put things in perspective, which is the point the artist was making.
The photograph is pretty horrible though.
Bits in bold............I agree to a certain extent but if you're going to post on a forum, you need to learn to accept that there are times not everyone is going to agree with your point & just take it on the chin without feeling victimised.
The artist is (as I pointed out previously) not portraying KP as the most hated woman in Britain, he is showing us what a real hate figure is ie Myra Hindley, subsequently explaining why it is ridiculous to class KP as this.