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Call for "Cadbury Law"

cheesy_pastycheesy_pasty Posts: 4,302
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Noticed in the SkyNews article that a call for a ban on "hostile takeovers of successful British companies by overseas multinationals." was called for dubbed the 'Cadbury Law'.
This follows Kraft's irresponsible actions over the Cadbury Somerdale factory.
My Fiancé who knows a worker at the Bourneville factory, has also mentioned how the 'Cadbury World' attraction is also under threat. Just hearsay however, but the words "it's not a playground, but a factory" were mentioned apparently.

Personally, I feel major British icons like Cadbury should be left well alone (although I know it's too late now for Cadbury). The UKs industries have been torn apart, and left in tatters. One can only hope that Cadbury doesn't go the same way, but no doubt it probably will. Should the Bournville factory come under threat, I can see a lot of uproar heading Kraft's way.

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    Sniffle774Sniffle774 Posts: 20,290
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    I wonder what the balance is of forign companies in British hands as visa versa. The danger with a law like that is that we could loose out.
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    The SnakesThe Snakes Posts: 8,940
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    Sniffle774 wrote: »
    I wonder what the balance is of forign companies in British hands as visa versa. The danger with a law like that is that we could loose out.
    Why? The law wouldn't prevent British ownership of foreign companies.
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    jmclaughjmclaugh Posts: 63,997
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    The takeover was in the end recommended to shareholders by the Cadbury board so it was not hostile.
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    LostFoolLostFool Posts: 90,660
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    The Snakes wrote: »
    Why? The law wouldn't prevent British ownership of foreign companies.

    No but it would encourage tit-for-tat laws in other countries in retaliation.

    Also it's a bit hyprocritical to say that British companies can buy other companies abroad but not be bought themselves.
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    Sniffle774Sniffle774 Posts: 20,290
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    The Snakes wrote: »
    Why? The law wouldn't prevent British ownership of foreign companies.

    If we started bringing in laws to prevent foreign companies owning British companies then what is to stop foreign nations bring in laws the same.
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    LyricalisLyricalis Posts: 57,958
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    LostFool wrote: »
    No but it would encourage tit-for-tat laws in other countries in retaliation.

    Also it's a bit hyprocritical to say that British companies can buy other companies abroad but not be bought themselves.

    Try buying a company in Japan or China and see how far you get.
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    cpu121cpu121 Posts: 5,330
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    Sniffle774 wrote: »
    I wonder what the balance is of forign companies in British hands as visa versa. The danger with a law like that is that we could loose out.
    Here's an Economist briefing on the subject.

    Foreign companies have spent $1 trillion on acquiring 5,400 British companies in the past decade. British companies spent $750 billion for just over 6,000 companies. That's a lot of valuable Foreign Direct Investment and that's just the beginning.
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    MagicMonkeyMagicMonkey Posts: 2,131
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    Lyricalis wrote: »
    Try buying a company in Japan or China and see how far you get.

    This shows you know nothing abt investment in China. Caryle group has poured 2.5 billion into china alone, funding start ups, companies etc
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    jim_ukjim_uk Posts: 13,280
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    What we need are strong British companies that are less vulnerable, we won't get that with Labour running the show.
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    GeorgemcneilGeorgemcneil Posts: 2,201
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    jmclaugh wrote: »
    The takeover was in the end recommended to shareholders by the Cadbury board so it was not hostile.

    On the basis of False promises!
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    Sniffle774Sniffle774 Posts: 20,290
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    cpu121 wrote: »
    Here's an Economist briefing on the subject.

    Foreign companies have spent $1 trillion on acquiring 5,400 British companies in the past decade. British companies spent $750 billion for just over 6,000 companies. That's a lot of valuable Foreign Direct Investment and that's just the beginning.

    thx cpu :)
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    allafixallafix Posts: 20,690
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    jmclaugh wrote: »
    The takeover was in the end recommended to shareholders by the Cadbury board so it was not hostile.
    On that basis no takeover is hostile. :rolleyes:

    It was recommended on the basis that the offer was now a good deal for shareholders. Directors have a duty to do this. That does not mean the takeover was wanted by the board. It was certainly unwelcome.
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    PlatinumStevePlatinumSteve Posts: 4,295
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    This shows you know nothing abt investment in China. Caryle group has poured 2.5 billion into china alone, funding start ups, companies etc

    Hmm...actually it shows what YOU know. The biggest risk of investing in China, is that the Government there takes an active role in nationalizing anything it thinks has become a staple in Chinese life. So you spend your billions to build up a successful foreign owned enterprise, the Chinese send in a few managers and inform you they've now nationalized this company, and you can go packing.
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    LyricalisLyricalis Posts: 57,958
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    This shows you know nothing abt investment in China. Caryle group has poured 2.5 billion into china alone, funding start ups, companies etc

    Well let's hope that they won't be expecting a bail out by Western countries in a few years when everything goes pair shaped in China, which it inevitably will.
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    The SnakesThe Snakes Posts: 8,940
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    Sniffle774 wrote: »
    If we started bringing in laws to prevent foreign companies owning British companies then what is to stop foreign nations bring in laws the same.
    There's nothing to stop foreign nations doing the same in any case. We need to start doing what is right for Britain, what happens in foreign lands is outside the remit of the government.
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    cpu121cpu121 Posts: 5,330
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    The Snakes wrote: »
    There's nothing to stop foreign nations doing the same in any case. We need to start doing what is right for Britain, what happens in foreign lands is outside the remit of the government.
    And what might be right for Britain is having British companies will full access to international markets. Money coming in is the best kind of money.
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    Sniffle774Sniffle774 Posts: 20,290
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    The Snakes wrote: »
    There's nothing to stop foreign nations doing the same in any case. We need to start doing what is right for Britain, what happens in foreign lands is outside the remit of the government.

    I agree but the point I was making was that if protecting British companies from overseas ownership did more harm in the long run to the economy as a whole then would such a law be a good thing ? Which is why I was trying to figure out how the balance lies. Also I am sure for every 'Cadbury' there is a positive story so do we assume all foreign ownership = bad ?
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    The SnakesThe Snakes Posts: 8,940
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    cpu121 wrote: »
    And what might be right for Britain is having British companies will full access to international markets. Money coming in is the best kind of money.
    Stopping foreign companies from making hostile takeovers of much-loved British brands would not prevent British companies having access to international markets.
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    Sniffle774Sniffle774 Posts: 20,290
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    The Snakes wrote: »
    Stopping foreign companies from making hostile takeovers of much-loved British brands would not prevent British companies having access to international markets.

    Would they be ok to buy unloved British brands then :D
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    LyricalisLyricalis Posts: 57,958
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    Sniffle774 wrote: »
    I agree but the point I was making was that if protecting British companies from overseas ownership did more harm in the long run to the economy as a whole then would such a law be a good thing ? Which is why I was trying to figure out how the balance lies. Also I am sure for every 'Cadbury' there is a positive story so do we assume all foreign ownership = bad ?

    I'm trying to think of a case where it is been beneficial in the long term and can't.
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    Sniffle774Sniffle774 Posts: 20,290
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    *nudges the invisible post into the open*
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    Sniffle774Sniffle774 Posts: 20,290
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    Lyricalis wrote: »
    I'm trying to think of a case where it is been beneficial in the long term and can't.

    In that case, if there is no negatives, then sounds like a sensible idea. I was just wondering if this would start a 'tit for tat' effect with other nations that in the long run would cost us more.
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    LyricalisLyricalis Posts: 57,958
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    Sniffle774 wrote: »
    In that case, if there is no negatives, then sounds like a sensible idea. I was just wondering if this would start a 'tit for tat' effect with other nations that in the long run would cost us more.

    It would probably be illegal to stop European Union countries from doing this, so I guess we'd have to either get the rules changed or leave the EU. The most evil companies tend to be based in the US though, so it might not be much of a problem.
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    FroodFrood Posts: 13,180
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    Its Free Market Capitalism people.
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    LyricalisLyricalis Posts: 57,958
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    Frood wrote: »
    Its Free Market Capitalism people.

    No it isn't, it's corporate parasitism. These companies want the brands and patents and will then move as many jobs as they can to some third world country where they can exploit the cheap labour.
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