Does the Daily Mail tamper with the ratings on the readers comments?

Scarlett O HaraScarlett O Hara Posts: 195
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I ask, because look at the comments at the bottom of this Katie Holmes fluff piece. Look at the number of red arrows on each one and the lack of green arrows. Those can't all be real people leaving real ratings.

Does a celeb's PR team troll their articles and try and do damage control by giving any comment which could be read as a criticisim angry red arrows to make it look like the celeb has more fans than they do? Is it the Mail themselves tampering because they want to keep writing about certain celebs even when their readers express a big lack of interest?

See here:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2276377/Katie-Holmes-recoils-New-York-weather-unfazed-Suri-flaunts-fur-coat.html#axzz2KaiAWNkd

Very suspicious indeed.
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  • ShrikeShrike Posts: 16,603
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    I doubt the Mail itself does it. It was noticeable during their "Ban online Pr0n" campaign that the majority of posters opposed the campaign and the arrows reflected this. It could be Katie's PR team though.
  • Mr DangerousMr Dangerous Posts: 902
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    I post there often myself, she is just not popular with the readers, it's happened before.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 3,100
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    I honestly think they do. I posted a comment there once and it had over 500 thumbs up, then 20 minutes later wheni checked back to see what people were saying, it had 200 thumbs down and the green arrows from before were no longer recorded in the profile.
  • Mr DangerousMr Dangerous Posts: 902
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    You should see my profile, most of my comments are green arrows, only a handful of my comments get red arrows....Mind you many of my comments don't get posted...especially my comments about that awful beckham woman.

    On the subject of the Daily Mail comments, why are most of Tamara Ecclestone stories are posted and we can't comment for Legal reasons...I never understood that.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 17,060
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    People can vote on a comment as much as they like by clearing cookies each time. I can see some types, like the DMs special Halle Berry anti-fanclub sitting up all night removing all green arrows from any positive comment about her.
  • lexi22lexi22 Posts: 16,394
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    I ask, because look at the comments at the bottom of this Katie Holmes fluff piece. Look at the number of red arrows on each one and the lack of green arrows. Those can't all be real people leaving real ratings.

    Does a celeb's PR team troll their articles and try and do damage control by giving any comment which could be read as a criticisim angry red arrows to make it look like the celeb has more fans than they do? Is it the Mail themselves tampering because they want to keep writing about certain celebs even when their readers express a big lack of interest?

    See here:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2276377/Katie-Holmes-recoils-New-York-weather-unfazed-Suri-flaunts-fur-coat.html#axzz2KaiAWNkd

    Very suspicious indeed.

    A mix of the two, I'd say. You definitely see evidence of the fans/anti-fans and the PR arrows but I think the Mail itself also does a bit of tailoring when it wants to keep a celeb happy - and it also does it for its own 'writers' - eg. Liz Jones' column which mysteriously seems to have fans who say bizarre things like 'What a great piece, Liz, you really do speak sense' followed by 508 green arrows while, back in the rational world, comments critical of Liz's crap get drowned in a fury of disgusted red arrows. ;)
  • Regis MagnaeRegis Magnae Posts: 6,810
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    I don't think the Mail tampers with ratings, or at least I've never observed it.

    They do, however, seem to have lists of users who are not allowed to post anything.
  • MissCultureMissCulture Posts: 704
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    Most of Peter Hitchen's articles do not allow comments 'for legal reasons'....I have never understood that either, especially when he write about issues rather an individuals. It is also interesting which articles the DM leaves open to unmoderated comments - as soon as I see an article regarding breastfeeding in public, for example, I know there's going to a glut of misogynistic comments from brain-dead trolls.
  • beaglemumbeaglemum Posts: 230
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    Never thought they might tamper with the ratings but I know they dont post some of the comments. Ive had one or two not be published even on an article thats alleged not to be moderated.
  • DemizdeeroolzDemizdeeroolz Posts: 3,821
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    There was a story about Doreen Lawrence receiving an honour, only a handful of comments were left , all positive yet they had around 600 red arrows. I assumed the BNP were out in force.
  • sheila bligesheila blige Posts: 8,012
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    I wouldn't be TOO surprised at anything with regard to the DM. I gave up trying to post comments to stories as they just never, ever appeared (and they weren't even contentious in any way). I guess if there's a person in charge of putting up comments on a certain day - they'll only put up the comments that they themselves agree with. In which case - its very possible to tamper with those 'ticky' things. Having said that ... does anyone pay any attention to the DM anyway? I mean - the average Sun Reader has an IQ 100 times greater than a DM reader!
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
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    There was a story the other day about alleged homophobic abuse at Corrie, pretty much every comment was about how homophobic abuse was acceptable and all these comments had about 300 green arrows...so there is some dodgy tampering. Or perhaps just explains the readership of DM :p
  • *Cadhla**Cadhla* Posts: 1,276
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    There was a story the other day about alleged homophobic abuse at Corrie, pretty much every comment was about how homophobic abuse was acceptable and all these comments had about 300 green arrows...so there is some dodgy tampering. Or perhaps just explains the readership of DM :p

    It is just the readership I think. They go on and on about free speech - they want porn on the internet and the freedom to be abusive to gay people, Muslims, immigrants and women - while failing to realise it is HATE speech that they want.

    The Mail panders to these people...for example every single day it features gender specific articles, knowing that creepy, entitled little men who do not see women as human will come on the site and spew out their hate. They run articles about Muslims, and in fact anyone who is not a white, middle class Protestant male,for the same reason.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 3,538
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    I find it absurd that so many people are against gun control. Every comment calling for control of firearms is met with the red arrows.
  • user1234567user1234567 Posts: 12,378
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    downtonfan wrote: »
    I find it absurd that so many people are against gun control. Every comment calling for control of firearms is met with the red arrows.
    Doesn't the DM have quite a high American readership? hence their obsession with promoting american reality z-listers.
  • Scarlett O HaraScarlett O Hara Posts: 195
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    Doesn't the DM have quite a high American readership? hence their obsession with promoting american reality z-listers.

    Their online version certainly panders to their American readership above all other readers. Ridiculous, really, but the DM as a whole is mad so I shouldn't be shocked.
  • JCRJCR Posts: 24,060
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    Shrike wrote: »
    I doubt the Mail itself does it. It was noticeable during their "Ban online Pr0n" campaign that the majority of posters opposed the campaign and the arrows reflected this. It could be Katie's PR team though.

    The Daily Mail doing that campaign is absurd though.

    If you go off the meaning of pornography as being anything with no artistic merit that causes sexual thought, then half their bloody website counts. (And that's not even going into the scary "All Grown Up" stuff.)
  • BungitinBungitin Posts: 5,356
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    DMOL is the most hit online 'news' service in the world according to DMOL.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 371
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    Bungitin wrote: »
    DMOL is the most hit online 'news' service in the world according to DMOL.

    That's absolutely true. I know someone who works there, and it's the biggest global online newspaper in the world, hence all the American celebrity stories. I get extremely irritated by the American words and spellings used in the stories.
  • Tal'shiarTal'shiar Posts: 2,290
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    Yep, well maybe not the Dm team as that would be stupid. But PR for those involved in the story or have an interest in it can easily abuse the system to "rig" the votes. Rig as in vote as much as they like. DM has REALLY bad system in place to stop multi voting, one which takes very little time to work around.

    The truly strange thing is they use a system that is well known to be crap and easy to exploit, its kinda old and any place that has a ounce of brains knows how to step around it. You would think with the size of the DM they would not use it. Hell, I know it and how to fix it and I am sure the people running the site will know it.

    Then again...(please put on your tinfoil hats)...take for an example, this willfull security flaw method. Lets say you leave your router open, no password or anything. Or even just a WEP key (its an old system and takes about 1 sec to crack, and its VERY easy and lots of programs exist to do it for you). Now you may ask "why would anyone ever want to leave there router open so other people could use it?!". Well picture me this, you could do it so that if you ever got caught doing something on your internet you shouldnt (illegal downloading or worse), you could always claim "hey bro, my router isnt set up right, it wasnt me, it could have been anyone really". Bam, now you can disprove stuff.

    So you transfer that over, DM can influence how comments are rated, giving the impression that they are in chime with "the working man" or whatever demographics they wish to appeal towards.

    (You can take your tinfoil hats off now)
  • Hit Em Up StyleHit Em Up Style Posts: 12,141
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    I've long said comments and ratings on this site were suspect. Who is behind it I couldn't say but it does make you wonder. However if it is getting strong traffic from American readers then that could explain it.
  • BungitinBungitin Posts: 5,356
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    I had a comment complained about and removed by DM. All I said was that I agreed the Russians drank too much Vodka and couldn't help their lifestyle inc bullying. Several others were removed as well of the same ilk.
    However a comment saying F#$k the Russians stayed for about another 4 hours. I suspected Russian readers who didn't understand lingo for a while.
  • dorydaryldorydaryl Posts: 15,927
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    The reason the arrows change is relative to the positives and negatives. For example, if someone has 500 greens and someone gives them a red, the greens go down to 499 and vice versa. Within that context, if 1 person gets 500 greens and also 500 reds, it will look like they have had no responses at all. Just try clicking on a red on a response that has 238 greens. It will go down to 237 greens. That's how it seems to work.
  • wilehelmaswilehelmas Posts: 3,610
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    Yeah I bet they do. The Katie Holmes thing was overloaded by positive thumbs up from people who I would doubt in reality even cared less!

    I have also had comments not printed, probably because (though I am always polite) doesn't fit with their instant believer 'these two are so CUTE' culture.

    If I think someones bearding, or a closet case, I'll say so, in a nice way. Rarely gets printed on a moderated thread. That publication literally keeps the bearding industry ticking over by skewing articles and only allowing 'safe' comments through.

    You can tell the variety of opinion is much wider and diverse on unmoderated threads though.
  • Scarlett O HaraScarlett O Hara Posts: 195
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    Bungitin wrote: »
    DMOL is the most hit online 'news' service in the world according to DMOL.

    I've heard this before.

    It's beyond depressing.
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